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Old 2020-11-30, 20:10   Link #3081
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What reincarnated Haruto into Rio was a mgic circle that appeared under his corpse, so to say magic, Aisia is a spirit and can't use magic, so it's impossible for her to have reincarnated Haruto into Rio. There isn't any single detail written anywhere about what it takes or not to use the summonning/reincarnation magic aside from a great quantity of magic power. So why do you think that being exiled by the other six makes the seventh God unable of performing the summoning?
There is no summoning stone when Rio recovered his memories like the countries that summoned the heroes.
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Old 2020-11-30, 20:44   Link #3082
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There is no summoning stone when Rio recovered his memories like the countries that summoned the heroes.
We weren't told anything about the summoning magic, we weren't told exactly what kind of role the summoning stones play on it, if they're neccessary in the case of just bringging the soul like in Rio's case ... we can't even say that the magic that reincarnated Rio and the one that did the summoning are the same thing, so of course we can't tell either that one can't be used without something that uses the another one without even knowing everything that it takes to use any of the two, the time may pass and I may be proven wrong about the seventh God reincarnating Rio, the author will decide about it, but for the time being I will still think that getting along well or not with the other gods isn't factor unless the reincarnation magic is something he/she can't cast alone.
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Old 2020-11-30, 22:17   Link #3083
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How I see it, Rio's summoning was just different because he no longer had a physical body like the rest of the heroes, only his soul was invoked, clearly both lisselote and latifa were summoned as collateral because they were close to him, just as kei and kouta with Rui and aiko and masato with satsuki.

also there is not Rio, that person doesn't exist, that body has only 1 soul, and that is haruto,s soul.
it just that he didn't remember his past life until later in life,
This caused the birth of another personality named Rio, lisselote as an example did not have that problem because she always remembered her past life.

so the chances of Rio being a hero are high, but it is not 100% certain, since he does not have a holy weapon and is also much superior to the rest, which has no explanation, and there is also that legend of the hero Ryo.
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Old 2020-11-30, 22:57   Link #3084
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There is no proof Rio is the 7th hero. In the god demon war, there were three powerhouses: wise gods, demon king, and high spirits.

In any case, it is strange that the wise gods didn't give the heroes more information.
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Old 2020-12-01, 04:02   Link #3085
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May I ask those who have read volume 18. What are miharu and celia talking about in the illustration? Thanks
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Old 2020-12-01, 08:14   Link #3086
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^Just some talked about wick saint kidnapped Liselotte and how they believe Rio and Aishia will save Liselotte.
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She seems to have super regeneration or something like that since she received the same blast from the divine beast tail as Rio and you can see that she received almost no damage. And the fact that she said in the epilogue that "The saint can't be killed just by being stabbed in the heart" and also when Andley was talking to Lizelotte he told her that she can heal people. She seems to really be a saint, also when she said that in the epilogue that made me think that maybe she tried to suicide when his fiancee was killed but couldn't because she was the saint and she can't die, it's just a theory tho.
Look like Erica has Avalon inside her. Next time if Rio want her death, he should go for the head lol.

Finish volume 18 too, man all those politics talking in this volume gave me a headache, did author want to change from cooking novel to political novel lol.

Liselotte is still popular as usual, first Hiroaki, now this Andley guy. This guy clearly has a thing for Liselotte..at first, but in the end he just a dumb man.

Since Erica is awaken hero then i can assume those other heroes can be awaken too. Imagine what will happened if Takahisa or Hiroaki awaken their true power. Can they summon divine beast like Erica did.

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Old 2020-12-01, 08:30   Link #3087
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Those heroes' cheats make Haruto's power look very fair game, which it is for the most part, he's just more talented than the majority of living beings in that world, he'll probably end up broken on the power scale when he gets a powerup though. Meanwhile, them heroes get stronger than anyone just by wanting it, they put shounen manga protagonists to shame. Just how strong is this demon king that you need 6 or 7 of those to fight them?


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Since Erica is awaken hero then i can assume those other heroes can be awaken too. Imagine what will happened if Takahisa or Hiroaki awaken their true power. Can they summon divine beast like Erica did.

Seeing as the author shows no sign of fixing Takahisa's shit for brains, perhaps there will be a centostella ark where Haruto and Miharu visit there and Taka awakens creating a disaster once again. If that thing got such a power, he'll stop at nothing to get Miharu. Depending on circumstances he might do more damage than Erika.
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Old 2020-12-01, 11:21   Link #3088
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This drama of awakened heroes and divine beasts, makes me think that Reiss is afraid/cautious of Rio, but at the same time not of heroes and even wants to awake Renji, where the hell does his confidence come from? Considering that there are 6 heroes.
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Old 2020-12-01, 11:56   Link #3089
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Satsuki and Rui look like they'd be reliable possible allies if they awaken and the whole Bertram thing is over. Takatrash and Hiroaki-sama (lol) look to be complete lost causes and are likely to cause havoc post-awakening. Renji probably is a lost cause considering his situation and personality.
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Old 2020-12-01, 13:21   Link #3090
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I think Hiroaki is just a jealous horny guy, but not evil or violent. The worst thing he ever did was picking a fight with Rio. On the other hand Reiji is more violent and closer to Reiss. Hence, easier to manipulate against Rio.
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Old 2020-12-01, 13:31   Link #3091
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Satsuki and Rui look like they'd be reliable possible allies if they awaken and the whole Bertram thing is over. Takatrash and Hiroaki-sama (lol) look to be complete lost causes and are likely to cause havoc post-awakening. Renji probably is a lost cause considering his situation and personality.


A big part of Hiroaki's bad conduct comes from the way Hugenot and Restoration treated him before Christina took command. I mean compare Hiroaki when Christina lectured him after his duel with Rio, with Takahisa after getting lectured by Satsuki upon failing his mission impossible. They are incomparable, to the point where every time Satsuki is about to feel creeped or exasperated by him she should remember she has that thing(Taka) for a friend. I think Hiroaki just needs a bit of good company and guidance.
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Old 2020-12-01, 14:33   Link #3092
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Hiroaki is much love by the author so I don't think he's an antagonist, instead I look Hiroaki's redemption arc.
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Old 2020-12-01, 15:03   Link #3093
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I gave him a lot of points after his blunder about the losing childhood friend trope in the Drama CD.

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Old 2020-12-01, 20:02   Link #3094
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I see, so that just leaves Takatrash and Renji as lost causes then. I'm guessing Hiroaki's redemption will be from his interaction with Rei and maybe Roanna or a new girl. Looking back, so long as he steers clear of the girls in the Rio camp I doubt his bad conduct will flare up that badly.

I'll have to look at that Drama CD, haven't seen it yet.
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Old 2020-12-01, 21:46   Link #3095
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Ugh, whats this I come to this thread and there is talk of redemption for the Chunni.

Dude was a loser with a god complex, that was basically one of those stereo typical heroines reincarnated into an otome as the heroine and thought the story would write itself to him, since he is the MC. Im not really interested in seeing him be redeemed. To me the only characters worth redeeming are noble/fallen heroes and characters with actual impact and likeability even as villains. Characters like Vader, Kurumi from Date A Live, Accelerator etc. These were characters i liked even as villains , so i would like to see them redeemed so it kind of makes it okay to root for them. They were also characters who were flawed, very highly so, but they either had or have noble intentions, but fell or were misguided in their methods.

Hiroaki is basically a nobody before and after, why waste any space and pages on his redemption. Him being redeemed has no impact so its a waste. He is basically kind of like Buggy the clown, basically comic relief thats mostly harmless and some background noise.

Woo boy.

^ but back to a few posts up, I think the way the author wrote it never makes it clear, if rio and haruto are one and the same, or two souls in one body. I was leaning to the former.

Im also curious if the mother makes another appearance. Just got to the part in the manga where they got to her backstory when Rio/Haruto tells the king and queen what happened. They never found her body, plus i forget his name, but the guy who killed her was probably a pawn of a pawn of what probably is the shows big bad. So wonder if she might be brought back in some format, either still alive (potential for happy end) or as some kind of undead homunculus (sad fma end).
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Old 2020-12-02, 03:00   Link #3096
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Ugh, whats this I come to this thread and there is talk of redemption for the Chunni.

Dude was a loser with a god complex, that was basically one of those stereo typical heroines reincarnated into an otome as the heroine and thought the story would write itself to him, since he is the MC. Im not really interested in seeing him be redeemed. To me the only characters worth redeeming are noble/fallen heroes and characters with actual impact and likeability even as villains. Characters like Vader, Kurumi from Date A Live, Accelerator etc. These were characters i liked even as villains , so i would like to see them redeemed so it kind of makes it okay to root for them. They were also characters who were flawed, very highly so, but they either had or have noble intentions, but fell or were misguided in their methods.

Hiroaki is basically a nobody before and after, why waste any space and pages on his redemption. Him being redeemed has no impact so its a waste. He is basically kind of like Buggy the clown, basically comic relief thats mostly harmless and some background noise.

Woo boy.

^ but back to a few posts up, I think the way the author wrote it never makes it clear, if rio and haruto are one and the same, or two souls in one body. I was leaning to the former.

Im also curious if the mother makes another appearance. Just got to the part in the manga where they got to her backstory when Rio/Haruto tells the king and queen what happened. They never found her body, plus i forget his name, but the guy who killed her was probably a pawn of a pawn of what probably is the shows big bad. So wonder if she might be brought back in some format, either still alive (potential for happy end) or as some kind of undead homunculus (sad fma end).
So first off, yeah Hiroaki is annoying. Is it a waste in the context of the story?

It is not, Hiroaki has proximally the same potential as Erika, as do all the heroes, but with his respective element as water. Hiroaki may be selfish and annoying but even he had a good technique with his Yamata no Orochi, that even Rio copied it in his fight against Lucius.

If all the heroes eventually awaken, consider their allegiances.
  • Erika is the big bad right now.
  • Renji will be on the side of Reiss out of pure jealously to Rio and loyalty to the traitorous Knight Princess.
  • Takahisa will most definitely be an enemy because he will kill anyone if he thinks he will get Miharu back, as awakened and approached by someone who sees Rio as a common enemy, he will jump at the chance.

That is three heroes who are enemies to our gang.
  • Satsuki is an ally.
  • Rui who doesn't mean harm but is with the enemy. Rui would have to escape with his remaining friends or else be passive/neutral in conflict.
  • That leaves Hiroaki, who has spent more time enjoying the perks of being a hero without the duties. If he can redeem himself and prove himself worthy of the praise a hero gets, it could be a route for him in the (distant) future.

And with Hiroaki, they would be about tied between three enemy heroes, one tied-down hero, and two heroes with Haruto in a greater coming conflict. And don't forget Reiss and his cohort that will have more mobility that Rio's retinue.

Not to mention the are surrounded, Takahisa to the south and Renji, Erika to the north, and Beltrum to the west. Every hero will count in that scenario.

As for Rio's mother, I highly doubt it. Outside of a vision or flashback, the core of 'Rio' is built on the rape and murder of his mother by Lucius. Lucius spared Rio to see him come back for revenge (that backfired). The lack of visual of her body likely has more to do with Rio's trauma and that this novel can only show so much without being rated for higher audiences. The most I could see it Reiss using hallucinations, but he didn't know much about Rio's past beyond his time running into the princesses at the beginning and on.
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Old 2020-12-02, 15:13   Link #3097
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I don't know why you all hate Hiroaki this much. The nobles and royalties deserve more hatred.
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Old 2020-12-04, 00:54   Link #3098
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All awakened heroes have Divine beast? I hope Rio will create a gundam or knightmare frame to counter it.
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Old 2020-12-04, 09:33   Link #3099
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I doubt it. I can't imagine the amount of odo and control needed to replicate a divine beast or divine weapon using spirit art. Aisha could use spirit art to create a weapon but it is inferior to a real weapon.

Obviously, they can't build one themselves since they can't even make a complete replicate of an ancient artifact (even the space-time artifact Rio own requires an aria).
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Old 2020-12-04, 10:36   Link #3100
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I doubt gundams and the like will show up this isn't that type of novel. Plus the weapon/armament development level of the Seirei no Tami isn't at that level much less the rest of the countries that are far behind them. Next to zero chance of cooperation between the village and the countries too. Rio/Haruto knows more than anyone how the majority of the humans can't be trusted with knowledge about them.

Perhaps he'll either develop an attack method to counter it via sword technique + spirit arts or a combo with Aishia where she fuses with him or his sword. It's all up in the air really.
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