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Wigwams · 2013-08-06, 02:10

Tabane cares more about Chifuyu I think. Tabane is probably trying to recreate a 2nd time where Chifuyu is forced to pilot an IS just like the time she used it to save Japan.

DarkJak2050 · 2013-08-06, 20:12

I'd never liked Tabane...

She's just as selfish as people can be. If not, worse...

Bakaizer · 2013-08-14, 18:38

So who's the russian girl? what would be her role in the story?

NOTE: haven't read yet the novel, just watched the anime

Fireminer · 2013-08-14, 19:12

@nikohowell: She is Tatenashi Shirashaki, Student Council President and the strongest in the enrolled. Due to the family connection, she became Russia Represetative (her little sister, Kanzashiki is Japan Representative Cadet). After the White Zephyr encounter, Ichika was transfered as her roomate.

AkitoW013 · 2013-08-14, 19:17

@nikohowell: And she's not Russian but Japanese .

blackwhite67 · 2013-08-15, 18:29

I'm not trying to start an argument here, but can someone describe to me in concrete terms where, when, and how IS started to become a train wreck, plot and character wise?

demino_hellsin · 2013-08-15, 18:47

Would it be too harsh to say right after the synopsis?

blackwhite67 · 2013-08-15, 18:51

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

Would it be too harsh to say right after the synopsis?

Yes. What was wrong with the synopsis?

Javiersansano · 2013-08-15, 18:59

I would say volumes 6-7 were the start of the quality drop... Volume 6 reused the tournament interruption trwnd, but at least it was a race, and ended with the madoka cliffhanger, with which it recovered its quality as a single book. Volume 7 used the tournament interruption again, and kanzqshi's intruduction could have come out better. In general, it wasn't great. Besides, it left the madoka atuff outside. Finally, Volume 8 was plain bad. It seemed like another person wrote it.

demino_hellsin · 2013-08-15, 19:01

Well I'm mostly an embittered individual so take my account with a grain of salt and judge the series on its own.

The synopsis and series description was good, way good. Probably half the reason why we're here. The other half being gorgeous art and production values. But after that great first impression, it just goes downhill. The out of place fanservice, the convenient win action, the lack of plot progression, lack of character growth. A lot of things really.

It doesn't help that any form of growth feels like it was done out of convenience

blackwhite67 · 2013-08-15, 19:14

Tell me. Was anyone here annoyed at how Ichika always needed the girls to bail his ass or is it just me? Don't get me wrong. I love a harem that's useful to winning the battle, but it seems like Ichika can't pull out a decent win without them.

demino_hellsin · 2013-08-15, 19:17

*discretely raises hand*

blackwhite67 · 2013-08-15, 19:41

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

*discretely raises hand*

Let me correct my previous post. To my knowledge (and horror), I cannot recall a single instance in which Ichika was able to win without his harem or the help of some girl. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Now I ask again, was anyone, but me bothered by this?

demino_hellsin · 2013-08-15, 19:44

I did say loser right?

But some say his losing perpetuates the plot. So... It's supposed to be a good thing?

blackwhite67 · 2013-08-15, 19:46

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Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

I did say loser right?

But some say his losing perpetuates the plot. So... It's supposed to be a good thing?

That's bullsh*t. Losing all the time perpetuates plot? I'm a loser for going 8 novels without realizing this! *sob*

Fireminer · 2013-08-15, 20:04

Well, maybe if the author is a woman, we could had explained the Superior Girls. Or maybe he is a masochist?
Ok, now seriously, Ichika plainly bad at fighting. Even with the bloodline and early training, he still couldn't get ONE memorable Ass-kicking pose. A combination of luck, superior machine and aid, I say!

blitz1/2 · 2013-08-15, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Fireminer

Well, maybe if the author is a woman, we could had explained the Superior Girls. Or maybe he is a masochist?
Ok, now seriously, Ichika plainly bad at fighting. Even with the bloodline and early training, he still couldn't get ONE memorable Ass-kicking pose. A combination of luck, superior machine and aid, I say!

Actually, I wouldn't say superior machine. It's more like a fragile katana. It may be really sharp but if you don't use it right, it breaks.

Kyuusaisha · 2013-08-15, 22:45

Didn't Ichika get to act somewhat like a hero in Volume 8? Also, I think volumes 5-6 were my favorites so far with 7&8 being the ones I felt were a bit of a dip in quality but nevertheless enjoyable enough.

***relentlessflame*** · 2013-08-15, 23:49

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Originally Posted by blackwhite67

To my knowledge (and horror), I cannot recall a single instance in which Ichika was able to win without his harem or the help of some girl.

In this case, it'd be more effective to just complain that he's constantly getting saved in general. It's a given that the only people who could save him would be "some girl"; they're the only other ones who can pilot an IS in the first place... (Besides a lot of them have way more training than him in the first place.)

(I still think Ichika shouldn't even bother trying to be a fighter that much, because who cares? He has the most powerful pilots from around the world already on his team; all he has to do is mobilize them.

The sooner he realizes this and is allowed to act accordingly, the sooner he can stop "losing".)

Fireminer · 2013-08-16, 00:19

So you mean re-routing Ichika to be a Team Leader? I doubt that. Consider the only two things that could glue the girl: Ichika in danger, or he as their punch bag.

2013-08-06, 02:10	Link #4381
Wigwams Senior Member Join Date: May 2010	Tabane cares more about Chifuyu I think. Tabane is probably trying to recreate a 2nd time where Chifuyu is forced to pilot an IS just like the time she used it to save Japan. __________________ World No. 1

2013-08-14, 18:38	Link #4383
Bakaizer Demon Hunter Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ente Isla	So who's the russian girl? what would be her role in the story? NOTE: haven't read yet the novel, just watched the anime __________________ Friendship and Rivalry. These two have it

2013-08-15, 19:14	Link #4391
blackwhite67 Banned Join Date: May 2012	Tell me. Was anyone here annoyed at how Ichika always needed the girls to bail his ass or is it just me? Don't get me wrong. I love a harem that's useful to winning the battle, but it seems like Ichika can't pull out a decent win without them. Last edited by blackwhite67; 2013-08-15 at 19:24.

2013-08-06, 20:12	Link #4382
DarkJak2050 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011	I'd never liked Tabane... She's just as selfish as people can be. If not, worse...

2013-08-14, 19:12	Link #4384
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	@nikohowell: She is Tatenashi Shirashaki, Student Council President and the strongest in the enrolled. Due to the family connection, she became Russia Represetative (her little sister, Kanzashiki is Japan Representative Cadet). After the White Zephyr encounter, Ichika was transfered as her roomate.

2013-08-14, 19:17	Link #4385
AkitoW013 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	@nikohowell: And she's not Russian but Japanese .

2013-08-15, 18:29	Link #4386
blackwhite67 Banned Join Date: May 2012	I'm not trying to start an argument here, but can someone describe to me in concrete terms where, when, and how IS started to become a train wreck, plot and character wise?

2013-08-15, 18:47	Link #4387
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Would it be too harsh to say right after the synopsis?

2013-08-15, 18:59	Link #4389
Javiersansano Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Chile	I would say volumes 6-7 were the start of the quality drop... Volume 6 reused the tournament interruption trwnd, but at least it was a race, and ended with the madoka cliffhanger, with which it recovered its quality as a single book. Volume 7 used the tournament interruption again, and kanzqshi's intruduction could have come out better. In general, it wasn't great. Besides, it left the madoka atuff outside. Finally, Volume 8 was plain bad. It seemed like another person wrote it.

2013-08-15, 19:01	Link #4390
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Well I'm mostly an embittered individual so take my account with a grain of salt and judge the series on its own. The synopsis and series description was good, way good. Probably half the reason why we're here. The other half being gorgeous art and production values. But after that great first impression, it just goes downhill. The out of place fanservice, the convenient win action, the lack of plot progression, lack of character growth. A lot of things really. It doesn't help that any form of growth feels like it was done out of convenience

2013-08-15, 19:17	Link #4392
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	discretely raises hand

2013-08-15, 19:44	Link #4394
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	I did say loser right? But some say his losing perpetuates the plot. So... It's supposed to be a good thing?

2013-08-15, 20:04	Link #4396
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Well, maybe if the author is a woman, we could had explained the Superior Girls. Or maybe he is a masochist? Ok, now seriously, Ichika plainly bad at fighting. Even with the bloodline and early training, he still couldn't get ONE memorable Ass-kicking pose. A combination of luck, superior machine and aid, I say!

2013-08-15, 22:45	Link #4398
Kyuusaisha Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sweden Age: 32	Didn't Ichika get to act somewhat like a hero in Volume 8? Also, I think volumes 5-6 were my favorites so far with 7&8 being the ones I felt were a bit of a dip in quality but nevertheless enjoyable enough.

2013-08-16, 00:19	Link #4400
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	So you mean re-routing Ichika to be a Team Leader? I doubt that. Consider the only two things that could glue the girl: Ichika in danger, or he as their punch bag.