2012-10-06, 21:51 | Link #524 |
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^Well, Actually this first episode already fulfilled several "have to" conditions in every first episode of every shows.
1) Introduce the main character(s) 2) Describe the main character(s) 3) Describe the settings 4) Present the main conflict(s) for the main character(s) |
2012-10-06, 22:44 | Link #525 | |
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But, when one is writing to entertain, I don't believe there are set standards at all, as we've moved from a fairly standardized concept (in so much as the vast majority of people who would want to buy a car are looking for some basic info), to a far less standardized concept (in so much that there is far more variety in terms of what individuals might find entertaining). To answer your question, yes, I do think any approach is acceptable. There's a lot of shows that I've come to enjoy that I would never have if I simply wrote them off as being badly written because of X, Y, or Z. Now, I realize one could argue "good" writing for anime is writing that helps an anime be a financial success. If we look at today's money-spending anime audience, then I guess I would have to admit that there are a set of rules or standards to maximize the chances your anime makes money. Many of those standards would be things I abhor. I suspect, however, that's not quite the definition of "good" writing you were talking about. Which, I guess is my long-winded way of saying how subjective things can't really have universal standards applied to them, without looking at an objective aspect of those things. Sales, audience ratings, as an example. Viewer enjoyment? I don't think so. Even in school, when educators use a piece of literary work as an example of "good" writing, it's usually for mechanical reasons. It used to piss me off to no end when I was really young, that they'd always force us to read things I thought were boring as all heck, until I realized the actual plots were insignificant to the purpose behind having us read those stories. On another note, am I the only one immature enough to lol when blondie with the large boobies said, "It's huge!" Are those swords going to actually serve a purpose, or are they just going to be the most unsubtle phallic imagery in a shounen fighting anime ever?
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2012-10-06, 23:07 | Link #526 |
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To a certain degree, it is.
Plot holes are bad, period. They contribute nothing to the story, and they can turn off some readers or viewers. Writing that minimizes plot holes is just objectively better than writing that is plot hole-ridden, all else being equal. Scenes that are properly contextualized will tend to have more emotional impact than scenes that aren't. Be honest - Do you care more about an action scene that comes out of nowhere and involves characters you don't know, or do you care more about an action scene that has excellent build-up for it and involves characters you know a lot about? Honestly, I think that your take on writing does a real disservice to writers who take good care in properly developing their fictional worlds and characters, and can write good dramatic scenes because the careful buildup to it earns that drama. Your take on writing would say that some hack writer that just tries to be entertaining without doing any proper world-building or character development and who's work is just dripping with melodrama is just as good as a writer that carefully plans and plots out his/her story and character development. No, not all approaches to writing are perfectly acceptable. Some are better than others. There are some basic good practices for good writing, even if you are writing to be entertaining.
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2012-10-06, 23:31 | Link #527 | |
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If someone isn't bothered by a plot hole (or five), who am I to take them to task over it? If the purpose of a piece of writing is to entertain, and it does, then does it matter if it fit someone's notion of what is proper and what isn't? I will reiterate that I do believe that writing can be considered "good" or "bad", objectively, when viewed purely on its mechanical merits. I just don't believe that that translates to whether a person actually enjoys or doesn't enjoy a piece of written work.
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2012-10-07, 01:35 | Link #528 | |
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But I guess certain people are trying way too hard to find nonexistent flaws, eh? |
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2012-10-07, 05:00 | Link #530 |
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Really now, the anti-BL fanboy blah brigade should have their own fandom label. They're popping up everywhere in any action, male-dominated series with so much as suggestive BL hints, constantly whinging and crying over something as pathetically miniscule as a guy blushing and throwing a tantrum about abandoning the series when it's the FIRST EPISODE. The kicker is when these very people ended up being the very ones advocating the BL even more than the fujoshis themselves, a considerable feat indeed.
Kindly suck it up and take it like a man, if the girls are putting up with a decade of uninspiring yuri fanservice that induces much eyerolling. Anyway, the first episode practically tells me nothing but I'm applying the three episode rule here: if it doesn't get the ball rolling, I'm jumping off the bandwagon. I must give the show this though: the animation is breathtakingly beautiful, hats off to the team. |
2012-10-07, 05:35 | Link #532 |
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As long as it doesn't go too overboard with the fanservice (either kind really), it's not going to be something that'll put me off. When it starts becoming in-your-face-blatant, that's when it becomes a problem I reckon.
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2012-10-07, 06:13 | Link #533 |
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brocko: There's that. Then there are the anti-BL rabid fanboys (you may find them in various forums and blogposts whining about icky yaoi) which I consider them to be the opposite extreme of fujoshi fans: they spaz differently, but they hilariously managed to unite with their delusional goggles and constant uplifting of BL themes.
Anyway, I'm going back to waiting for the next episode, while indulging myself on the staple ingredient of every woman's (well almost) leisure time: Korean drama. cheers! |
2012-10-07, 07:45 | Link #534 | |
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Haha, speculah time!
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2012-10-07, 10:13 | Link #535 | |
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2012-10-07, 10:27 | Link #536 |
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People sure are making a big deal of a single blush. For all we know, there will be no yaoi whatsoever and that blush was simply used to indicate Blackie is such an incredibly pretty boy he looks like a girl.
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2012-10-07, 13:29 | Link #537 |
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Looked great. A few great Shaftly angles. Moved along, with lots of quick hints about situation and characters, while leaving plenty to fill in.
I liked the BL hints, especially the nice blush. A nice light touch. And one image of apparently-innocent Shiro with his cat almost made even me squee. Loved the voices, but especially Satou Satomi as the girl who wanted to give him lunch. Some very interesting little turns of voice. The loli in the gang was played by Horie Yui. The character is clearly there to add moe, but the logic of it is that she is their secret weapon lie detector. Makes sense to me. As for the gang parading down the street, it was laughable if you wanted to laugh, but it also made a strong image. And I think anime is a myth-creator rather than a medium for simple realism. So it worked for me.
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2012-10-07, 13:35 | Link #538 |
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Visually impressive.......but that's about it as far as ep1 is concerned.
Story and character-wise there was very little to chew on or get excited about, and consequently I didn't feel very engaged. I agree with some others that it did come across a bit like they were trying too hard to look cool and stylish, in the end it felt more like a tech demo that you'd show potential investors or something. Hopefully we'll get more substance from the next episode. |
2012-10-07, 15:31 | Link #540 |
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I've been negativated here in this very forum several times for bashing animes with BL undertones. But even though this one had that blushing which annoyed the crap outta me, the visual style easily won me over. I was constantly mesmerized by what was happening on-screen.
As long as it doesn't develop into a full blown yaoi(I appreciate some good bromance, but nothing past that) I will be following this. |
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