2011-02-28, 16:26 | Link #12222 |
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They probably had a set of backroom deals where the Democrats are rewarded to support Walker. But probably that union-busting was the last straw and they walked out of him BOTH to avoid trouble and to avoid insomnia.
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2011-02-28, 16:27 | Link #12223 |
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It's a pointless delay. Eventually they'll have to come back lest their positions or respect be diminished. I guess it's more of a show of extreme lack of support for the bill(?) at hand.
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2011-02-28, 16:48 | Link #12224 |
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I think this is a serious time for US because they messed up their finances big time.
Firstly, Obama's stimulus plan gave the money to the wrong people : companies instead of the people. In hard times, the companies will use it to finance fixed assets and liabilities, which has a higher risk-return ratio than current assets and liabilities. And labour/employment is from the latter (for those of you who know finance, it might be easier to understand this. For those who don't, google "Current Liabilities"). Secondly, the medical program is so heavily outsourced that the big pharmacies are running them - giving them the ability to ask for any amount of money they want from the government to make themselves richer. None of that money is going to the people. Thirdly, they are still financing Iraq. FFS they have OIL MONEY. Why the fuck is US still funneling cash into them?
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2011-02-28, 18:46 | Link #12225 |
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Those Senators not being there mean the body does not have a quorum a thus cannot hold the vote at all. Leaving the state puts them out of range of state troopers that can drag them back to their jobs.
I would point out that there are a lot of people that think that the unions of today are not what they once were. The first clause of the union is that you will pay your dues. They are more like legal mafia to some people, more concerned out the money the Union gets than the workers it represents. Also they tend to force the workers to earn less money when they go on strike for a pay raise by the matter of the workers not getting paid while on the strike, and the raise not being able to cover the lost time in addition to the increase in the amount of dues needing to by paid to the Union after the strike ends. To cover legal fees and such. That and some companies have both union and non-union labor. When the union goes on strike to attempt to make more than the non-union people are getting, the non-union labor are forced to work overtime just to keep the business running. So from a certain point of view, the Unions of today are not the Unions from 1900, and may cause more harm to labor than they help. This might not be true universally, but nearly all local instances seem this way.
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http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...ostcount=12144 also... every state which has a nightmarishly messed up debt has huge problems trying to fund its exponentially-expanding union-employee pension fund. Nearly all are blue states, go figure. It will soon be the job of every worker in the state's sole purpose to pay taxes to fund people who retire at 2/3 or better pay for life after 20 years of employment Last edited by flying ^; 2011-02-28 at 20:56. |
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2011-02-28, 20:52 | Link #12228 | |
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2011-03-01, 01:42 | Link #12230 |
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Let he who has never supported tyranny throw the first stone. (Not the first, or only, tyranny we've supported, either. Won't be the last. Heck, if they end up with another kleptocracy, we'll no doubt support that, too.)
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2011-03-01, 05:04 | Link #12231 | |
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the west didn't put men like Mubarak, Gaddafi, and the like in power. these are the leaders that those praticular cultures have produced, and those are the ones you have to deal with. you can't just go around trying to overthrow every dictator on earth, without people calling you out for trying to enforce your way of life on everyone.
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2011-03-01, 05:47 | Link #12232 | |
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Political leaders, and their private and public support, might thump their chests about the virtues of freedom and democracy but they don't always practice what they preach. They'll look the other way if it is in their personal or national interest.
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2011-03-01, 05:55 | Link #12233 | |
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meddling in other nations affairs and installing your own leadership in those countries is not the same. besides, countries have no friends, only interests. and its the job of the elected leader of the US or any other democracy to serve the interests of his country first and foremost.
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2011-03-01, 06:26 | Link #12234 | |
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1. Stopped the Mideast from becoming a religious hotspot and put the entire world's oil supply at sake (reinforcing Israel and stopping Iran with Iraq) 2. Clamped down on Communism in the SEA through arms supply, military advisory and cross-training (honestly speaking, I don't want to live in an oligarchic place. Neither do I want to be born there.) 3. Help develop the concept of moe that culminated in the creation of this forum. When it comes to politics, most of the time it involves making a decision of the lesser of two evils. Sometimes the politician might even throw the pie of the window for the sake of personal beliefs and interest. Unlike a business where a win-win situation can be reached, in politics it is not just about profits and revenues, it is about showing-off as well.
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2011-03-01, 11:46 | Link #12236 | |
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in some cases, later is better then now.
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2011-03-01, 12:39 | Link #12237 |
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I think we discovered that the trouble with democracy in times like the Cold War, is that you cannot predict who you will be dealing with from election to election, thus you can't always keep a stable foreign policy to counter your "hated" rival(s). Plus there is the risk that your rival will manage to pull of a political campaign in a democracy to install a government-ecomonic structure of their liking via the people. Because as I've learned, Communism, when talked about in its ideal form, sounds really good to people. But in practise, it doesn't works as advertised, and tends to follow the line of democratically elected dictator, who continues to be elected...mainly via the one party system.
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2011-03-01, 12:57 | Link #12238 | |
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If it's just to lets the next guy in charge to deal with the problem: no !
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2011-03-01, 13:30 | Link #12239 | |
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would it be wrong to try and postpone the worst from happening for a few more days, when you know that nothing can be done to prevent it ? because make no mistake, the collapse of the current state of affairs in the Arab world and the rise of a new order of SOME sort is inevitable. its a side effect of forcing a western perception onto an area that is simply not ready for it. the middle east becoming a religious hotspot, and the rise of political Islam is not a new thing. its the return of an old thing.
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2011-03-01, 14:56 | Link #12240 | |
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Except that this time it might be with nukes and automatic firearms.
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