2010-12-03, 09:30 | Link #101 |
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he could tremble out of excitement. who knows? people tremble for a number of reasons. he and the hachibi were having problems with how to teach naruto the bijuu bomb knowing how dangerous it is and how uncooperative the kyuubi could be. when naruto revealed details about the rasengan and the yondaime, it gave him the solution to that problem. so maybe he trembled because of that.
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2010-12-03, 09:38 | Link #102 |
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Anko gets sucked by snakes. I hope she is not dead yet, since Madara already plans a counter measure against Kabuto.
Current Naruto learned Abilities Kage Bunshin Summoning Technique Rasengan 1.0 Fuuton Rasengan Three Tails Mode Rasen Shuriken (close range version) Sage Mode Frog Kata (taijutsu frog technique) Rasen Shuriken (long range version) Kyuubi Mode (human form version) Current technique to be learned Jinchuuruki Bomb (now this a homage version of Kamehameha of Dragon Ball, using illusionary hands to form it, the one used against Orochimaru by the 4th tail mode.) Nine Tails Transformation (yes, probably Killer Bee and his bijuu are envious of Naruto that he can do it in the human Kyuubi Mode.) How about some new idea, that Naruto learning the permanent Kage Bunshin separating himself from the Bijuu on the process without getting himself killed. Might be a good plot if Kishi attempts this. Maybe Minato and Killer Bee trained together for a few days, he let Minato see the "Bomb", so he could learn something from it. Just like how the Elder Frog predicts the fate of Jiraya, Minato probably learned something from the oracle of the Elder Frog as well. |
2010-12-03, 11:22 | Link #105 |
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Meh, so Kishi ruined the fun by coming up with a plot device that wont allow Naruto to turn into beast mode like KB can. Pretty dissapointing, but at least Naruto is going to learn a new move (even if it's just another Rasengan) in this form.
And the cute fox form instantly reminded me of the fox in the one-shot, pretty funny. xP |
2010-12-03, 15:03 | Link #108 |
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It's a bit odd that Naruto says that he needs more hands to form a rasengan. When he first did it against Kabuto he didn't have clones. Anyway, maybe Naruto is thinking about rasenshuriken and not a plain rasengan.
I think this chapter strongly hints that Naruto will have to combine sage and kyuubi mode to be able to fight properly. His fighting style is centered around kage bunshins, because all his strategies and tricks are based on that. So i think in order to be able to use kage bunshins in battle he will combine the two powerups. Both his sage mode and his kyuubi mode have serious flaws, but if he combines them he might remove the limits. The problem with sage mode was that he needs a lot of time to collect nature energy because of the needed balance, however if the balance must be acquired against a 100 times larger Naruto+Kyuubi chakra that means Naruto should be able speed up his nature energy gathering time by 100 times, for example instead of 5 minutes it would take 3 seconds. And if he fights with a small amount of kagebunshins then one kagebunshin can always stay still to gather energy for about 5-10 seconds while the other KBs are fighting. Also Naruto needs sage mode for the rasenshuriken, so i guess he will have to use it regardless of being in kyuubi mode or not. Also during his fights he can switch on and off both modes, depending on what his limits will be according to Kishimoto. For the plot to advance Naruto cannot be overpowered, otherwise a Sasuke vs Naruto fight would be boring. So Kishi will invent some new limits which will make Naruto only as strong as EMS-Sasuke, but of course after their fight Kishi can slowly take away even those limits. At least now it is clear that because kyuubi is not cooperating that means Sasuke's genjutsu must be beaten by Itachi's secret gift given to Naruto. So now it seems safe to assume that whenever Sasuke will use genjutsu on Naruto then Itachi's secret jutsu sealed in Naruto will immedately activate. The kyuubi rasenshuriken will be insanely strong. If it's nearly as strong as a real demon chakra ball then adding to that ball an elemental manipulation will make such a huge difference as it is between normal rasengan and normal rasenshuriken. This demonic rasenshuriken will destroy mountains. I think they fought against each other in the 3rd ninja war. We have seen how Minato can deal with the kyuubi (blocking it with a boss summon, teleporting away it's chakra ball, teleporting the demon itself). If i were in Minato's place i would have teleported back his chakra ball into itself, we have seen Gamabunta being hit by Shukaku's chakra ball, so i guess if the 8-tails is hit by his own chakra balls it would hurt very bad. And when Bee turns back into human form Minato can beat him in many different ways. I guess Bee was lucky to survive against Minato, that's why he trembled when hearing Minato's name. Last edited by Ero-Senn1n; 2010-12-03 at 15:17. |
2010-12-03, 15:27 | Link #110 | |
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For example can you imagine Naruto and Nagato or Naruto and Sasuke having such emotional conversations while Ma and Pa frog are standing on Naruto's shoulders? I think that would be impossible, so i'm quite sure they will never be able to fuse with Naruto. Do you want Naruto to go in demon mode and fight like an huge summon animal shooting chakra balls and running around? I'm sure Kishi wants Naruto to fight in human form, to have real ninja fights with strategies, ninja tricks, a larger amount of jutsu and deep emotions. The way Naruto did against Pain. Do you want the kyuubi to disrupt the genjutsu or you want to see Itachi's secret move in action? I think the answer is obvious. Naruto as the main character will not be Bee's copy in any way, that would be painfully boring. |
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2010-12-03, 16:27 | Link #112 | ||||
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-For instance how about a quick defence for when he can't dodge? -Or how about a technique That Naruto can use to trap and or restrain an enemy? it would make it a whole lot easier to strike an enemy with his Rasenshuriken -How about a very quick long range attack like Jiraiya's hair needles? RasenShuriken might be a one hit kill but Naruto has limited uses of it; a good long range technique that Naruto can use often can ser ve to weaken the enemy. -Actually Thinking along those lines maybe we could have more less powerful moves that are more damaging than punching in general... it may not be a one hit kill but it would be great if Naruto could weaken his enemies and at a much lower charka cost -How about some kind of simple wind blade, something he can use often but also deal great damage... slicing off an enemy's arm would do wonder's in a fight Really when it comes down to it there is a lot Naruto can't do or can not do as effectively with his current abilities; Sure he could restrain someone with shadow clones, but his clones are often beaten with a single punch; not to mention that shadows clones are often considered to have a considerable chakra cost to them... hell first with sage mode and now with kyuubi mode Naruto is finding that his hallmark move of using shadow clones is quickly becoming much more limited... it would have served him well to have learned more variety when he had a chance Quote:
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Afterall if your opponent only knows one kick; even he fully mastered that kick, all you need to do is know how to counter that kick... on the otherhand, figuring out how to counter 10 different kicks and not knowing what kick will come is much more difficult Hell take deidara for example... people kept pointing out that the reason he loss is because the enemy knew his weakness. Why did deidara loose as they see it? because all of his moves shared one weakness that the enemy could exploit. By their logic deidara would would have stood a better chance if he knew more than just earth style bomb techniques |
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2010-12-03, 16:43 | Link #113 |
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^Jiraiya used Senjutsu in the creation of Chou Oodama Rasengan (and his Senjustu comes from the help of 2 others constantly regulating his chakra). So, it is not the same as Oodama Rasengan (which seemingly is simply Naruto adding more power and stability to an already stable attack).
Naruto's version is not "half-assed". He was provided minimal tools, and little to no instruction, and managed to come up with the same technique simply requiring an extra step. There is nothing half-assed about that at all. For clarification, half-assed would be putting an oil-based paint on your shed outside without a primer. Half-assed is incompetence derived from an almost willing desire to not think things through. If anyone could be called half-assed in regards to the Rasengan, it would be Jiraiya for not properly instructing Naruto on how to form the technique. Naruto was given a task and he accomplished it. Was it less efficient than the genius who spent 3 years developing the task to begin with? Yes. But considering he spent 5 weeks, with little to no instruction, accomplishing the task, then there is nothing half-assed about what he did. |
2010-12-03, 18:04 | Link #114 |
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First of all, why has nobody mentioned the fact that 8tails mentioned naruto not being able to tame the kyuubi YET and saying that 8tails used to be just like naruto, stealing eachothers chakra and stuff.. So naruto can still learn to completely control the kyuubi.
eventhough I believe he will only use that to get extra chakra, not to transform into the kyuubi since that would be lame. He is more mobile and agile while being in his current form. And naruto definetly needs a non rasengan based attack like a wind style jutsu... Naruto has turned into a dragon ball z character.. Naruto was special because of the VARIETY in techniques.. + Tailed Beast Bomb was always used as a blast and not as a close combat attack? I doubt naruto will use it like that, but its a possiblity xD sending blasts out of his hands and by that removing all forms of tactics in his fighting style and turning into a full goku who only uses KAMEHAMEHA!! |
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the reason being that he is using the best dozen that can get the job done. someone facing down an enemy that knows 1000 different techs wont be concerned about maybe getting hit 1000 times... its the fact that out of those 1000 there is at least one that will definitely hit is what will scare him the most.
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quality > quantity... always. shikamaru only knows shadow manipulation but he still beat hidan. look at how sasuke used chidori in his fights (combined w/ sword, diffused the bombs in his body, etc). in a fight, someone with 2 swords isnt necessarily superior than someone with one (or even none for that matter). it all comes down to how u use the skills u have.
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2010-12-03, 22:47 | Link #117 | ||
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What Naruto's doing now is more or less equivalent to riding a bike with training wheels. Quote:
At any rate, the reason that Naruto's method is half-assed is because it's inefficient. What if Naruto doesn't have enough chakra to create a clone and a Rasengan, or what if the enemy takes out the clone as it's forming the Rasengan? It just makes Naruto more vulnerable and takes up unnecessary chakra. |
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-But let's break down this nonsense that Naruto's method of doing the Rasengan is ineffective. Its actually quite the opposite. --Ok, so the normal Rasengan forces the user to focus on forming it. Normally that requires them to stand still, just waiting to get counter-attacked. Naruto's method not only divides the tasks needed to form said jutsu but also leaves him with KB for protection in case the enemy feels like rushing in. --The time it takes to form. Now, Yondaime was quick to form it but that's the original creator. He also used Hiraishin so he was able to form the thing while teleporting around. Naruto however, we know he can not only form the Rasengan fast, but he can do it in LESS THAN 5 seconds. How do we know this? Because of his battle against Pain. The latter performed Shinra Tensei, which left him with a 5 second opening. Naruto formed the Rasengan, stated his line and launched himself to attack Pain with it, all in the span of 5 seconds. Trust me, unless the enemy has the speed of light at their side, chances are they can be caught by the Rasengan. -Naruto's method may cost more chakra, but his has a better standing than Jiraiya's who now that I think about it, never used it in battle. Yeah he used one in Sage Mode but that's not the normal Rasengan.
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(Honestly, I love Jiraiya, but old Toad Fucksucky (or whatever), is the best teacher Naruto has ever been shown to have.) Quote:
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