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selkirk · 2007-05-29, 02:48

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Originally Posted by Ratler

Ok my turn to ask something that I feel I should already know^^

What is the ranking system in the TSAB I have looked at all of the (USA) military branches and it seams to be a combination of them but not in order. A little help would be appreciated^^

Links, lists, or anything at all

thanks

It's very similar to the JSDF ranks.
Wikipedia

Keroko · 2007-05-29, 02:55

Well, you have to realize that the TSAB has both land, air and naval forces (naval being spaceships in this case).

A good wiki with ranks should be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General the table on the right has common military rankings.

According to this, the TSAB seems to follow the navy ranking system, though this does create confusion with Hayate's ranking as commander.

Skane · 2007-05-29, 03:02

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Originally Posted by Keroko

Well, you have to realize that the TSAB has both land, air and naval forces (naval being spaceships in this case).

A good wiki with ranks should be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General the table on the right has common military rankings.

According to this, the TSAB seems to follow the navy ranking system, though this does create confusion with Hayate's ranking as commander.

Why? The Land Forces acknowledge her as a LTC, which is the direct counterpart to the Navy's Commander.

Cheers.

Chaos2Frozen · 2007-05-29, 03:33

Keroko, you've answered the question yourself

The TSAB has Land, Air and Naval division.

Hayate's in the Land division, hence her rank is "Lt. Colonel", following the Army...

Chrono, who is in the Naval division, has the rank "Admiral", following the Navy...

And Nanoha, who was in the Air division, has the rank "Captain"... (Though 'Captain' is kinda found in all 3 ...)

...Following the Air Force...

Keroko · 2007-05-29, 04:44

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Originally Posted by Skane

Why? The Land Forces acknowledge her as a LTC, which is the direct counterpart to the Navy's Commander.

Cheers.

Which is the confusion, in the navy Captain is higher then commander. If we asume that RF 6 uses navy ranks (as they do call her commander, I believe) then Nanoha and Fate would outrank her. However, if they would use land/air forces ranks, she would be a lieutenent-colonel instead of a commander.

That is my confusion.

Ottocycle · 2007-05-29, 05:29

Hayate definitely outranks Nanoha and Fate, as the TSAB uses land forces' ranks as far as we've heard in the series, Admiral aside, which means we'll just need to use the centre section of the table provided in the wiki you gave.

Keroko · 2007-05-29, 06:05

Okay, I double checked the translation of Hayate's rank, which is 'butaicho', and the literal translation I got was 'commanding officer', not commander. Now, I'm no genius on military rankings, but doesn't this mean that Hayate could technically be any rank, which makes the ground/air forces rank of lt. colonel the most likely choice.

Thanks for the help, that's what I get when I trust fansubs a bit too much.

Ottocycle · 2007-05-29, 06:40

Well, there's always the official site with its biodata page, which explicitly states her appointment/rank as Commander of RF6/Lieutenant Colonel

Exact text:　機動六課部課長/陸上二佐

Keroko · 2007-05-29, 06:47

That settles that then. Thanks, my computer here does not suport kanji, so I had no way of checking.

Chaos2Frozen · 2007-05-29, 06:58

Sigh

They're using the Army's ranking because Hayate's with the ground forces...

Fuyu no Sora · 2007-05-30, 17:36

Here's a question (Now that we're talking about military ranks and all): Anyone know exactly what Fate's TSAB Rank is? I know Nanoha is Flight Lieutenant, Hayate is Lieutenant-Colonel and Fate is Enforcer. Now, what would be the equivalent of an Enforcer? A Lieutenant Junior Grade? (Navy of course)

selkirk · 2007-05-30, 18:03

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Originally Posted by Fuyu no Sora

Here's a question (Now that we're talking about military ranks and all): Anyone know exactly what Fate's TSAB Rank is? I know Nanoha is Flight Lieutenant, Hayate is Lieutenant-Colonel and Fate is Enforcer. Now, what would be the equivalent of an Enforcer? A Lieutenant Junior Grade? (Navy of course)

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Originally Posted by nanoha.com

武装隊では一尉扱い

Treated as a Captain (NATO OF-2) in the armed forces.

It probably makes more sense to also call Nanoha a Captain (一等空尉, 1st class air officer) to follow JSDF ranks, rather than Commonwealth ranks... they are equivalent ranks, but calling her a Lieutenant can make her sound lower ranking than she really is.

Fuyu no Sora · 2007-05-30, 18:06

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Originally Posted by selkirk

Treated as a Captain (NATO OF-2) in the armed forces.

It probably makes more sense to also call Nanoha a Captain (一等空尉, 1st class air officer) to follow JSDF ranks, rather than Commonwealth ranks... they are equivalent ranks, but calling her a Lieutenant can make her sound lower ranking than she really is.

Oh, Thanks. I did follow the JSDF, that's why I reffered to Fate as Lieutenent Junior Grade (Equivalent of First Flight Lieutenant ^^)

Thanks a lot!

selkirk · 2007-05-30, 20:12

Translation of all of the non-paragraph data from nanoha.com. I'm not quite bored enough to do the paragraphs yet

. Haven't done the new antagonist updates yet either.

Thumbnail:

(Disclaimer: Translations are subjective, so take this with a grain of salt)

Edit: V2 to fix some formatting errors, and make it easier to read.

Fuyu no Sora · 2007-05-30, 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by selkirk

Translation of all of the non-paragraph data from nanoha.com. I'm not quite bored enough to do the paragraphs yet

. Haven't done the new antagonist updates yet either.

Thumbnail:

(Disclaimer: Translations are subjective, so take this with a grain of salt)

Whoa! OO! Thanks! This is really helpful

Chaos2Frozen · 2007-05-30, 20:27

This is interesting...

"Belka Self-governed Region"

LoweGear · 2007-05-31, 01:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by selkirk

Translation of all of the non-paragraph data from nanoha.com. I'm not quite bored enough to do the paragraphs yet

. Haven't done the new antagonist updates yet either.

Thumbnail:

(Disclaimer: Translations are subjective, so take this with a grain of salt)

Edit: V2 to fix some formatting errors, and make it easier to read.

This'll come in handy for future reference, and also the OC thread

Our deepest gratitudes

Kha · 2007-05-31, 03:43

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

This is interesting...

"Belka Self-governed Region"

I translated the chinese subs, during epi 4 or 5 I think went they flashed a scene of the Grand Church, to mean Self Administrated Region, therefore I've been using Belka SAR for short, and placing the area in the same league as Hong Kong now.

So here's my question: Does Self Governed Region = Self Administrated Region?

Keroko · 2007-05-31, 04:18

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Originally Posted by Kha

I translated the chinese subs, during epi 4 or 5 I think went they flashed a scene of the Grand Church, to mean Self Administrated Region, therefore I've been using Belka SAR for short, and placing the area in the same league as Hong Kong now.

So here's my question: Does Self Governed Region = Self Administrated Region?

Considering Velka have their own millitary, I would say so. It would certainly relieve pressure from the TSAB if other organisations would patrol their own regions.

Chaos2Frozen · 2007-05-31, 07:04

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Originally Posted by Keroko

Considering Velka have their own millitary, I would say so. It would certainly relieve pressure from the TSAB if other organisations would patrol their own regions.

They have their own military?

You mean the knights?

2007-05-29, 03:33	Link #104
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Keroko, you've answered the question yourself The TSAB has Land, Air and Naval division. Hayate's in the Land division, hence her rank is "*Lt. Colonel", following the Army... Chrono, who is in the Naval division, has the rank "Admiral", following the Navy... And Nanoha, who was in the Air division, has the rank "Captain"... (Though 'Captain' is kinda found in all 3 ...)* ...Following the Air Force... __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2007-05-29, 06:58	Link #110
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	Sigh They're using the Army's ranking because Hayate's with the ground forces... __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2007-05-30, 20:12	Link #114
selkirk *y translator Scanlator** Join Date: Jan 2006	Translation of all of the non-paragraph data from nanoha.com. I'm not quite bored enough to do the paragraphs yet . Haven't done the new antagonist updates yet either. Thumbnail: (Disclaimer: Translations are subjective, so take this with a grain of salt) Edit: V2 to fix some formatting errors, and make it easier to read. Last edited by selkirk; 2007-05-30 at 20:41.

2007-05-30, 20:27	Link #116
Chaos2Frozen We're Back Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Redgrave City Age: 35	This is interesting... "Belka Self-governed Region" __________________ Devil Trigger , Subhuman , Crimson Cloud , Mad Qualia

2007-05-29, 02:55	Link #102
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Well, you have to realize that the TSAB has both land, air and naval forces (naval being spaceships in this case). A good wiki with ranks should be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General the table on the right has common military rankings. According to this, the TSAB seems to follow the navy ranking system, though this does create confusion with Hayate's ranking as commander.

2007-05-29, 05:29	Link #106
Ottocycle Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Age: 37	Hayate definitely outranks Nanoha and Fate, as the TSAB uses land forces' ranks as far as we've heard in the series, Admiral aside, which means we'll just need to use the centre section of the table provided in the wiki you gave.

2007-05-29, 06:05	Link #107
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Okay, I double checked the translation of Hayate's rank, which is 'butaicho', and the literal translation I got was 'commanding officer', not commander. Now, I'm no genius on military rankings, but doesn't this mean that Hayate could technically be any rank, which makes the ground/air forces rank of lt. colonel the most likely choice. Thanks for the help, that's what I get when I trust fansubs a bit too much.

2007-05-29, 06:40	Link #108
Ottocycle Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Age: 37	Well, there's always the official site with its biodata page, which explicitly states her appointment/rank as Commander of RF6/Lieutenant Colonel Exact text:　機動六課部課長/陸上二佐

2007-05-29, 06:47	Link #109
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	That settles that then. Thanks, my computer here does not suport kanji, so I had no way of checking.

2007-05-30, 17:36	Link #111
Fuyu no Sora Mistress of Impatience Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In a place of extremes. From below freezing to above boiling.	Here's a question (Now that we're talking about military ranks and all): Anyone know exactly what Fate's TSAB Rank is? I know Nanoha is Flight Lieutenant, Hayate is Lieutenant-Colonel and Fate is Enforcer. Now, what would be the equivalent of an Enforcer? A Lieutenant Junior Grade? (Navy of course)