2009-07-30, 21:19 | Link #161 | |
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I didn't mean i think zoro > luffy because he has swords.. I meant zoro and luffy are about equal in power vs others. But vs each other, zoro has the advantage that many of luffy's opponents did not have because he uses swords. Its like luffy's rubber vs enel's lightning, just to a lesser extent. As I remember, luffy has yet to face a strong sword user because zoro always faces those who can cut, (during moria arc he faced that samurai dood, during baroque works he faced Mr. 1) |
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2009-07-30, 21:27 | Link #163 | |
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Also luffy always recovers fast after his fights he a rubber man, half stuff that happens to luffy, Zoro would be dead from it. Not that it really matters because in OP there no set power level luffy could beat enel because he is rubber but could not touch ID warden , where enel would give ID warden a hell of a fight . |
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2009-07-30, 21:30 | Link #165 |
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That sounds skeptical to me. People are just never able to provide valid reasons why they perceive Crocodile and Moria as being weak. Characters who lose are quickly dismissed as being refuse by these kinds of fans, and that's kind of sad.
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2009-07-30, 21:38 | Link #166 | |
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Side note soon your going need a new sign blackbeard . BB crew has 6 members now. |
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2009-07-30, 21:44 | Link #167 | |
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And yes. I will need a new sig soon. I could make a collage of all the members, but I'm a little lazy to do that right now. I'm going to wait a little more in the meantime.
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2009-07-30, 21:46 | Link #168 | |
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2009-07-30, 21:48 | Link #169 | |
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2009-07-30, 21:51 | Link #170 |
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People might as well stop cheering for Luffy then since he has quite the loss record so far. You know what it might be? The majority of people just don't like bad guys. I'm like one of the only few people that's actually cheering on the World Government and hoping that they'll prevail in this war. Having the good guys win all the time sucks.
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Not too mention it speaks highly of Zoro's dream for Kuma to even consider taking the future strongest of swordsman in exchange for the future pirate king!! Kuma was even in awe of such an ambition. |
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2009-07-30, 21:58 | Link #172 | |
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When the Straw-Hats got defeated in the Saobody(?) Archipelago, I felt a bit relieved. First, since I think that was a big development to their outlook in fighting as a crew. Second, it kind of balance a bit on their almost clean slate of victories. About hating bad guys, the only villain I hated in OP is Enel. Forgot why, but the rest of the villains/antagonists are amusing its so hard to really hate them. |
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2009-07-30, 22:08 | Link #173 | |
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Against opponents who are not weaknesses to both Luffy and Zoro, Luffy has shown to be able to do better. Luffy has shown that he has a greater capacity and potential, he was able to stretch his ability to unknown potentials. Zoro definitely is strong and will become the strongest swordsman. But at this point his, power and potential is still limited. He acknowledges that Luffy is a stronger man than him, its the reason he willingly follows Luffy for. After experiencing Luffy's pain, I'm sure he will grow to truly match Luffy very closely. At this point, judging from everything that has been shown in the anime, Zoro is still not as strong as Luffy. Even when Zoro fought Luffy, using swords, Luffy's greatest weakness, Zoro is only able to fight Luffy to a draw.
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2009-07-30, 22:09 | Link #174 | |
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I never saw it as zoro could take luffy place , it was to show how close zoro has gotten to luffy and how much he respect him. When they first meet zoro said he would kill luffy if got in the way of his dream , now zoro is willing to give up his life , his dream so luffy can become Pirate king. |
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2009-07-30, 22:11 | Link #175 |
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Wapol was the only villain in One Piece that I absolutely could not stand, as kakakka stated above the others are too amusing to really hate.
Any good hero has his or her share of losses, having them lose to a good villain is nothing to pout over if anything it promotes character development. Now if said good villain is so unbeatable that he is practically a god, I will use Itachi Uchiha here as an example since he was an antagonist throughout Naruto and faced the good guys numerous times but was never "truly beaten", and even in the end he pulls a "Kimimaro" and wasn't actually beaten by anyone, he was still pivotal in Sasuke and Naruto's development.
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2009-07-30, 22:42 | Link #177 |
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zoro didn't join the crew and follow luffy because he thinks luffy is stronger. he thought luffy was an interesting guy and respected him so he decided to achieve his dream with him on the same team. you cant say luffy has no boundaries really, cause we haven't seen the "boundaries" of many one piece characters yet. One being mihawk, he's the #1 swordsman and i dont think you can say you see his boundaries. if you can't see his boundaries, then you can't say luffy has less boundaries than zoro when zoro will probably become the future #1 swordsman
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2009-07-30, 22:56 | Link #178 | |
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But the part about blackbeard would have been incinerated is fallacy. In mangas very often supposedly lethal attacks or items become non-deadly due to the "toughness" of the opponent. This holds true in One piece too. Think of almost all of zoro's fights. Opponents or zor being slashed but only minor cuts occuring. Not to mention tekkai, tightening muscles so that blades don't cut you? |
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2009-07-30, 23:03 | Link #179 |
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Just a thought, seems to me that if WB and jinbei combined powers, they would be almost invincible.
WB destroys all land in sight and causes tsunamis. Then Jinbei saves him from drowning/disabled due to seawater and kills all of the rest in water where all DF users are dead and the rest are very much at disadvantage due to lack of leverage. One other thing about how people are saying AoKigi can just freeze the tsunamis, it doesn't work that way. the tsunamis have great momentum/initial and weight. What would happen if frozen is that you see icebergs crashing in. It would likely reduce casulties though as logias will be safe and the strong people can probably hit the ice away. |
2009-07-30, 23:04 | Link #180 | |
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For ex, in the shabondy arc, Luffy witnessed a slave escape, and not only saw his collar blow up but saw the celestial dragon's dog piss on him, and watched them shoot him and then step on his body. Even though he was infuriated, he never got involved nor would he have, if Kaimi wasnt kidnapped and Hachi shot. And you cant really generalize the world government as the bad guys, because the majority are not bad people, their just following the orders of the higherups, who are unfortunatlly corupt. |
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