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NoemiChan · 2013-11-30, 19:52

Just wondering if you are to choose between the two: to be a nice person who's always nice to everyone or a truthful person who always tells the truth.

Which will you be?

PS: Give your reason and possibly a scenario to support it.

C.A. · 2013-11-30, 20:02

A truthful person doesn't exist and shouldn't, because it is impossible to not lie and impossible to live without lying.

If people can be nice to one another then we'll have world peace without even being truthful.

Lightning_Wing · 2013-11-30, 20:11

First, I'm going to assume mutual exclusiveness between nice and truthful people, in that a "nice person" will discard the truth in favor of being nice; the truthful person will be assumed the same but in reverse, the truth held over being nice. I'm then also going to define a truthful person as someone who will strive for truthfulness, their M. O. if you will, and likewise the nice person is someone who will strive for being nice. Neither the truthful person nor the nice person is always truthful or always nice, respectively.

Also, I'm going to assume that both truthful and nice person are acting positively toward our subject as well, so that both the nice person and truthful person are aiming to preserve our subject's overall well-being.

With this in mind, I will then state that a truthful person, under most circumstances, is better. Someone truthful can be relied on much more for their honest opinion, and ultimately will have more influence over one's life. You know that if you ask them about something, they will likely give an honest and ultimately "right" response to a great many topics, such as relationships, finance, and ultimately just about any dilemma. Therefore, because of their ability to impact one's life honestly, a truthful person is better than a nice person, since someone nice is just someone to feel good talking too. You can't honestly trust their opinion, and their influence is therefore fleeting. Now, sometimes we don't want to hear the truth quite yet under some circumstances. For example, when going through the end of a relationship, death, etc. In this case, we seek out the nice person and should honestly favor their intent to that of the truthful person, as we should. With this in mind, let's redefine my original statement as such:

An truthful person is better under circumstances of more rational thought, in regards to topics that affect the long term and have less emotion involved. However, a nice person is better for situations where there is much emotion present affecting the immediate and short terms of one's life.

Dr. Casey · 2013-11-30, 20:20

If this is an either/or situation, where you can either be a nice person who isn't truthful or a truthful person whose only good point is being truthful, then I'd pick 'a nice person.' Kindness is a good quality and also encompasses important traits like loyalty. Being 'truthful' isn't that wonderful a thing if you're a piece of shit otherwise.

If I take the question a bit less stringently, I do place more personal importance on being kind than being straightforward. A lack of the former bothers me more than a lack of the latter, and I'm sensitive enough to interpersonal strife and drama that being unfailingly blunt would probably keep me in a constant state of wanting to slit my throat open due to the fallout that would result (ie hurting other people's feelings, making them pissed off or otherwise bent out of shape, and so on). With that said, though, I do try to be coldly honest whenever I feel that it's absolutely necessary and have grown more blunt as I've gotten older, though I'll probably always be more of a people pleaser than a straight shooter.

Fireminer · 2013-11-30, 22:03

Now, that is quite the rashness of you for setting up this poll. A truthful person IS a nice person, for he is the one who only wants the best for you by saying out the truth. It's like a Phoenix, beautiful in both the Inside and Outside.

If you could change this thread name into "Who would you prefer to be: A Person who always speaking out of the truth no matter what; or A Person who disguises the truth in words that don't hurt people?", it would much be appropriate.

And beside, excluding some cases, the one who don't want to listen to the truth is nothing more than trashes. After all, isn't it human's hungerness for the truth is what push we forward?

DonQuigleone · 2013-12-01, 02:46

I'll take truth. I want to be able to believe what I hear. I often feel anxious that people are lying to me when I do something wrong in order to be "nice". I want to know when I do something wrong (politely of course).

I think an organization where people are "nice" to each other but not truthful, is one that will run itself into a ground, because it will be run on fantasies.

All that said, it's better to be "both" whenever possible, and if you tell the truth, you should be nice about it.

Flower · 2013-12-01, 03:21

Kinda thought a third answer of "other, see post below for explanation" might have been a good addition to the poll.

Kafriel · 2013-12-01, 06:02

You can be both...but if there is a situation in which you must either be blunt and tell the truth or settle things with a subtle lie, I'd definitely go for the latter. You shouldn't stir people up if you can avoid it, and the best truth is always the one people want to hear

monster · 2013-12-01, 06:15

Between nice and truthful, I picked the latter. But truthfully, it's nice to be both.

Darkman.exe213 · 2013-12-01, 06:26

It's nice to be both, but I'd very much rather be truthful if I had to choose. As someone else said, it's cool to be nice, but it's ultimately the truthful, honest people who have more of an impact on the people around them. Nice people (or, at least people who act nice) are a dime a dozen, but truthful people are hard to come by.

SaintessHeart · 2013-12-01, 06:33

If you are going to spend your life being rated by others on how nice or truthful you are, then what are you living for?

We are all different, and have different motivations that encourage behaviour that sets us apart from the rest. You can't please everyone; haters gonna hate.

Best is still to be yourself. You may not be able to make a person like you, but you CAN make him/her respect you through acting on your beliefs and forging deep ties common interests. That is what is important.

monster · 2013-12-01, 06:43

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

If you are going to spend your life being rated by others on how nice or truthful you are, then what are you living for?

Eh, it doesn't even have to be about that. You can want to be nice and/or truthful without it being about how others see you.

SaintessHeart · 2013-12-01, 07:07

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Originally Posted by monster

Eh, it doesn't even have to be about that. You can want to be nice and/or truthful without it being about how others see you.

So whose rating of truthfulness and niceness is correct? Them, or yours?

Cosmic Eagle · 2013-12-01, 08:03

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

So whose rating of truthfulness and niceness is correct? Them, or yours?

In this case? Yours of course

NoemiChan · 2013-12-01, 08:18

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Originally Posted by Fireminer

Now, that is quite the rashness of you for setting up this poll. A truthful person IS a nice person, for he is the one who only wants the best for you by saying out the truth. It's like a Phoenix, beautiful in both the Inside and Outside.

Actually I know many will say "both". But that would be toooooo easy so, I prefer for you to choose among the two.
Anyway, my choice is being "truthful", that is being honest and true to what you say or do. I wanted the person infront of me to know me as a person who THEY CAN TRUST.

Being "nice" is also good but why "act nice" if you see and hear isn't nice at all. Want to wear a mask and tell a awfully fat person that "hey, you look nice".. just to flatter they and not hurt their ego?

It's easy to be nice than be truthful.. so I choose the one which is rare to have.

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

So whose rating of truthfulness and niceness is correct? Them, or yours?

Whose opinion do you value? Yours or theirs? ^^

Nightbat® · 2013-12-01, 11:16

I would like a definition of what constitutes "the truth"

jdennis007 · 2013-12-01, 21:37

I work for a living so I am picking nice.

monster · 2013-12-02, 00:33

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Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

So whose rating of truthfulness and niceness is correct? Them, or yours?

You're the only one who truly knows if you're being truthful, so that one is obviously yours.

Nice is a little bit more subjective, but in the end, your understanding of what nice is will determine how you go about striving to be nice.

NoemiChan · 2013-12-02, 00:39

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Originally Posted by Nightbat®

I would like a definition of what constitutes "the truth"

Facts, true, reality as opposed to Lying....

SaintessHeart · 2013-12-02, 07:34

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Originally Posted by monster

You're the only one who truly knows if you're being truthful, so that one is obviously yours.

Nice is a little bit more subjective, but in the end, your understanding of what nice is will determine how you go about striving to be nice.

Then how do you know you are telling the truth? Perspective matters; even a fact can become opinion depending on views and endorsement.

That is why I highlighted cognitive dissonance - some people can convince themselves they are telling the truth. Especially people who have images to uphold, like religious leaders, stars, lawyers, politicians, etc.

They use the term "economical with truth". In their eyes, it contains truth, therefore it is true. I call it "bull minus shit" because with some "live-and-let-go", it can be taken as low-quality beef instead of bovine faeces. Though personal limit still stands; the speaker of such is one step closer to a 1x-good-one.

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Originally Posted by NoemiChan

Whose opinion do you value? Yours or theirs? ^^

So you don't use a merit-rating system when it comes to hearing opinions?

View Poll Results: Which one will you wanted to be?
A nice person	23	57.50%
A truthful person	17	42.50%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

2013-11-30, 19:52	Link #1
NoemiChan Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philippines Age: 36	A Nice or Truthful Person Just wondering if you are to choose between the two: to be a nice person who's always nice to everyone or a truthful person who always tells the truth. Which will you be? PS: Give your reason and possibly a scenario to support it.

2013-11-30, 20:02	Link #2
C.A. Absolute Haruhist! Artist Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 36	A truthful person doesn't exist and shouldn't, because it is impossible to not lie and impossible to live without lying. If people can be nice to one another then we'll have world peace without even being truthful. __________________ No longer a NEET so I'll not be online as often. Ignore gender and kick sexuality to the curb! I'm a big mecha fan, who keeps playing the SRW series. When I say 'My god...', god refers to Haruhi-sama. My art album updated 11th May 2013, Science. Deviant Art: http://ca0001.deviantart.com/

2013-11-30, 20:11	Link #3
Lightning_Wing 1.048596 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Location?	First, I'm going to assume mutual exclusiveness between nice and truthful people, in that a "nice person" will discard the truth in favor of being nice; the truthful person will be assumed the same but in reverse, the truth held over being nice. I'm then also going to define a truthful person as someone who will strive for truthfulness, their M. O. if you will, and likewise the nice person is someone who will strive for being nice. Neither the truthful person nor the nice person is always truthful or always nice, respectively. Also, I'm going to assume that both truthful and nice person are acting positively toward our subject as well, so that both the nice person and truthful person are aiming to preserve our subject's overall well-being. With this in mind, I will then state that a truthful person, under most circumstances, is better. Someone truthful can be relied on much more for their honest opinion, and ultimately will have more influence over one's life. You know that if you ask them about something, they will likely give an honest and ultimately "right" response to a great many topics, such as relationships, finance, and ultimately just about any dilemma. Therefore, because of their ability to impact one's life honestly, a truthful person is better than a nice person, since someone nice is just someone to feel good talking too. You can't honestly trust their opinion, and their influence is therefore fleeting. Now, sometimes we don't want to hear the truth quite yet under some circumstances. For example, when going through the end of a relationship, death, etc. In this case, we seek out the nice person and should honestly favor their intent to that of the truthful person, as we should. With this in mind, let's redefine my original statement as such: An truthful person is better under circumstances of more rational thought, in regards to topics that affect the long term and have less emotion involved. However, a nice person is better for situations where there is much emotion present affecting the immediate and short terms of one's life. __________________

2013-12-01, 03:21	Link #7
Flower Blooming on the mountain Join Date: May 2010 Location: Deep in their roots, all flowers keep the light....	Kinda thought a third answer of "other, see post below for explanation" might have been a good addition to the poll. __________________

2013-11-30, 20:20	Link #4
Dr. Casey Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tennessee Age: 36	If this is an either/or situation, where you can either be a nice person who isn't truthful or a truthful person whose only good point is being truthful, then I'd pick 'a nice person.' Kindness is a good quality and also encompasses important traits like loyalty. Being 'truthful' isn't that wonderful a thing if you're a piece of shit otherwise. If I take the question a bit less stringently, I do place more personal importance on being kind than being straightforward. A lack of the former bothers me more than a lack of the latter, and I'm sensitive enough to interpersonal strife and drama that being unfailingly blunt would probably keep me in a constant state of wanting to slit my throat open due to the fallout that would result (ie hurting other people's feelings, making them pissed off or otherwise bent out of shape, and so on). With that said, though, I do try to be coldly honest whenever I feel that it's absolutely necessary and have grown more blunt as I've gotten older, though I'll probably always be more of a people pleaser than a straight shooter.

2013-11-30, 22:03	Link #5
Fireminer Lumine Passio Author Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Hanoi, Vietnam Age: 18	Now, that is quite the rashness of you for setting up this poll. A truthful person IS a nice person, for he is the one who only wants the best for you by saying out the truth. It's like a Phoenix, beautiful in both the Inside and Outside. If you could change this thread name into "Who would you prefer to be: A Person who always speaking out of the truth no matter what; or A Person who disguises the truth in words that don't hurt people?", it would much be appropriate. And beside, excluding some cases, the one who don't want to listen to the truth is nothing more than trashes. After all, isn't it human's hungerness for the truth is what push we forward?

2013-12-01, 02:46	Link #6
DonQuigleone Knight Errant Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Age: 35	I'll take truth. I want to be able to believe what I hear. I often feel anxious that people are lying to me when I do something wrong in order to be "nice". I want to know when I do something wrong (politely of course). I think an organization where people are "nice" to each other but not truthful, is one that will run itself into a ground, because it will be run on fantasies. All that said, it's better to be "both" whenever possible, and if you tell the truth, you should be nice about it.

2013-12-01, 06:02	Link #8
Kafriel Senior Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens (GMT+2) Age: 35	You can be both...but if there is a situation in which you must either be blunt and tell the truth or settle things with a subtle lie, I'd definitely go for the latter. You shouldn't stir people up if you can avoid it, and the best truth is always the one people want to hear

2013-12-01, 06:15	Link #9
monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Between nice and truthful, I picked the latter. But truthfully, it's nice to be both.

2013-12-01, 06:26	Link #10
Darkman.exe213 Yurippe is mai waifu Join Date: Sep 2006	It's nice to be both, but I'd very much rather be truthful if I had to choose. As someone else said, it's cool to be nice, but it's ultimately the truthful, honest people who have more of an impact on the people around them. Nice people (or, at least people who act nice) are a dime a dozen, but truthful people are hard to come by. __________________

2013-12-01, 06:33	Link #11
SaintessHeart NYAAAAHAAANNNNN~ Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 35	If you are going to spend your life being rated by others on how nice or truthful you are, then what are you living for? We are all different, and have different motivations that encourage behaviour that sets us apart from the rest. You can't please everyone; haters gonna hate. Best is still to be yourself. You may not be able to make a person like you, but you CAN make him/her respect you through acting on your beliefs and forging deep ties common interests. That is what is important. __________________ When three puppygirls named after pastries are on top of each other, it is called Eclair a'la menthe et Biscotti aux fraises avec beaucoup de Ricotta sur le dessus. Most of all, you have to be disciplined and you have to save, even if you hate our current financial system. Because if you don't save, then you're guaranteed to end up with nothing.

2013-12-01, 11:16	Link #16
Nightbat® Deadpan Snarker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Neverlands Age: 46	I would like a definition of what constitutes "the truth" __________________

2013-12-01, 21:37	Link #17
jdennis007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: New York	I work for a living so I am picking nice. __________________ When it is a Dozen it is OK, but when it is only a Pair then somehow it's pron, think Dirty.