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agetreme · 2012-05-23, 08:14

hey! it is very effective against human army...

the downside is you might accidentially trigger a zombie apolospse

sorry for the inconvience when it happen?

greedyspectator · 2012-05-23, 08:17

@Zero
What I don't understand is how IS barriers work. I mean, if the conservation of momentum is true, then pure energy barriers should not be able to deflect bullets. If the IS barrier completely incinerates and turn incoming projectiles into plasma, I can understand, since in that case velocity and mass is unchanged, just the state of matter. I can't make heads or tales how IS barriers obey the conservation of momentum.

Alternatively, IS barriers do not obey the conservation of momentum. In that case, conservation of momentum is not true and physics itself fall apart and you get FTL signaling and gravitational collapse... and if FTL signaling is possible, then stock tactics that exploit the time difference between stock markets will no longer be feasible, which will probably cause a collapse in the stock market, which will ruin the state of the economy...

Funny how breaking one law of physics can have dire implications to society.

@demino_hellsin
Stealth/Command types. Assassinate the enemy commander and the enemy army will fall apart.

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-23, 08:27

They work by that, conservation of momentum.

Notice that they NEVER outright shrug an attack, any attack that hit them and not breaking in still hit them like a mother.

Case in point:
> Char's rifle still able to throw Ichika's flight path off the course.
> Houki, using an Uchigane (an unit with superb defense btw) still stunned when Char delivered SMG barrage, and actually pushed back when Char switch to shotgun.
> The scene where Char raped Laura using giant-ass pilebunker, the barrier is intact, the unit behind the barrier still receive damage.
> Yamada used the grenade. Watch BT and Shenlong tumbles hard to the ground from the explosion.
> Gospel's gun, plasma-wank-explosive-dart-thing, has the properties of energy and explosive weapon.

Force-related stuff such as recoil and extremely high-g maneuver was handwaved by PIC most of the time, but it's not perfect, still had limitation, and therefore still vulnerable to law of physic.

demino_hellsin · 2012-05-23, 08:29

that's some pretty interesting choices

)

Back to thinking about Lyon's situation... would the military take him in or leave him be?

greedyspectator · 2012-05-23, 08:32

@Zero
Wait, so the IS Barrier has mass? Weird, I thought it was an energy barrier...

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-23, 08:38

@ Demi'
Military will milk him dry for all his worth, hell, probably 'erase' him

@ Greedy
No, but they act like any impenetrable wall would. It disperses the impact force upon larger area, the overall kE received is largely unchanged unless Inertia canceling-related magic is involved.

To give you an idea, it's similar to how bulletproof vest and shield work against bullet. Even if the bullet don't penetrate, you'll still feel like a sledgehammer hit you.

demino_hellsin · 2012-05-23, 08:51

hmmm would Natasha vouch for him and try to keep him alive? Considering he somewhat saved hers?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-23, 08:54

It depends how much harm he inflicted during the run. And from your concepts, he done a lot (including one of Ichika's hand). Indirectly, but still.

demino_hellsin · 2012-05-23, 08:56

true...

would a beacon that continually agitate the IS shielding work?

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-23, 09:00

BY agitate do you mean eating or destroying?

The later is used in [Outback Screamer] concept, reducing the shield integrity of any units within it's AoE.

OTOH, a Shield Vacuum weapon would be a gamebreaker, or at worst somewhat impractical, but still powerful.

demino_hellsin · 2012-05-23, 09:11

basically it continually chips away at the IS shield... the concept is that it would be an anti-IS infantry issue weapon. Ofcourse it's not really standard issue. What's more, it's incredibly weak. However the cost-effectiveness is great since one unit in highest range can drain an IS's shielding proportionally, meaning the power of the beacon is dependent on the IS.

However the shield drain only has a tiny range of a hundred meter radius with the damage being 0.01% of the total shield count eaten off per second. On the brightside... the power source needed to activate each beacon only amounts to an AA battery

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-23, 09:14

That's less gamebreaker and more armywank, true, in practice this is less than efficient. But still, AA batteries!

Are you for real? Imagine if it's scaled up and paired with automotive engine, I.S. denial area weapon!

demino_hellsin · 2012-05-23, 09:16

Doesn't sound like me huh?

Been exploring the Marvel wikia so superpowered(via armor or otherwise) is getting pretty old.

One more interesting point is that the beacons are small enough to fit in the palm of your hand. :|

EDIT: Guess what? The effects stack :|

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-23, 09:33

And I think some of my idea is crazy, stranger things keep happening again and again

demino_hellsin · 2012-05-23, 09:43

would IS be able to detect you if you can bend all forms of light and electrical waves so as they won't touch you?

greedyspectator · 2012-05-23, 09:46

By the way, will a MASER type weapon be effective against an IS?

My idea is to tune the MASER to emit at wavelengths similar to or even the same as the wavelengths IS units use to communicate. This way, the MASER beam bypasses the shields since the IS unit will register the attack as a communication attempt. Is this feasible?

By the way, is the shielding system of an IS passive or active?

agetreme · 2012-05-23, 09:46

*looking at his draft board*

hmm.... i think my idea are actually more bizzare....

(the Undead solider idea isn't thought up on the spot. it is days of wondering how to force nanomachine into somebody's body without them realizing it)

it is the only thing which link both of my new story....

demino_hellsin · 2012-05-23, 09:51

easy... kill them then inject nanites.

StratoSpear · 2012-05-23, 09:53

I still wonder how do nanites actually allows a person to take complete control of another.

Also,

Spoiler for Scene!:

ZeroXSEED · 2012-05-23, 09:54

@ Demi
Dunno

It's really depend on the quality of stealth, I'd say. Because I.S. explicitly has distortion sensor (meaning they can detect ripples in the air using visual recognition). Meaning predator style invisibility isn't going to do jack.

@ Stratos
Nanites is used in ST as brainwashing tool.

Also, shield mode don't do jack against solid weapon in canon. (my version DID, but then again it's fanon thing)

@ Greedy
I'm not sure about that, but "Sync itself with I.S. barrier" concept has been used in plenty of fanfic.

2012-05-23, 08:14	Link #31181
agetreme Just another Idiot Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Delusion world	hey! it is very effective against human army... the downside is you might accidentially trigger a zombie apolospse sorry for the inconvience when it happen? __________________ Ara Han

2012-05-23, 08:17	Link #31182
greedyspectator Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	@Zero What I don't understand is how IS barriers work. I mean, if the conservation of momentum is true, then pure energy barriers should not be able to deflect bullets. If the IS barrier completely incinerates and turn incoming projectiles into plasma, I can understand, since in that case velocity and mass is unchanged, just the state of matter. I can't make heads or tales how IS barriers obey the conservation of momentum. Alternatively, IS barriers do not obey the conservation of momentum. In that case, conservation of momentum is not true and physics itself fall apart and you get FTL signaling and gravitational collapse... and if FTL signaling is possible, then stock tactics that exploit the time difference between stock markets will no longer be feasible, which will probably cause a collapse in the stock market, which will ruin the state of the economy... Funny how breaking one law of physics can have dire implications to society. @demino_hellsin Stealth/Command types. Assassinate the enemy commander and the enemy army will fall apart. __________________ “The evil that is in the world almost always comes from ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.” ― Albert Camus

2012-05-23, 08:27	Link #31183
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	They work by that, conservation of momentum. Notice that they NEVER outright shrug an attack, any attack that hit them and not breaking in still hit them like a mother. Case in point: > Char's rifle still able to throw Ichika's flight path off the course. > Houki, using an Uchigane (an unit with superb defense btw) still stunned when Char delivered SMG barrage, and actually pushed back when Char switch to shotgun. > The scene where Char raped Laura using giant-ass pilebunker, the barrier is intact, the unit behind the barrier still receive damage. > Yamada used the grenade. Watch BT and Shenlong tumbles hard to the ground from the explosion. > Gospel's gun, plasma-wank-explosive-dart-thing, has the properties of energy and explosive weapon. Force-related stuff such as recoil and extremely high-g maneuver was handwaved by PIC most of the time, but it's not perfect, still had limitation, and therefore still vulnerable to law of physic. __________________

2012-05-23, 08:32	Link #31185
greedyspectator Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	@Zero Wait, so the IS Barrier has mass? Weird, I thought it was an energy barrier... __________________ “The evil that is in the world almost always comes from ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.” ― Albert Camus

2012-05-23, 08:38	Link #31186
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Demi' Military will milk him dry for all his worth, hell, probably 'erase' him @ Greedy No, but they act like any impenetrable wall would. It disperses the impact force upon larger area, the overall kE received is largely unchanged unless Inertia canceling-related magic is involved. To give you an idea, it's similar to how bulletproof vest and shield work against bullet. Even if the bullet don't penetrate, you'll still feel like a sledgehammer hit you. __________________

2012-05-23, 08:29	Link #31184
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	that's some pretty interesting choices ) Back to thinking about Lyon's situation... would the military take him in or leave him be?

2012-05-23, 08:51	Link #31187
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	hmmm would Natasha vouch for him and try to keep him alive? Considering he somewhat saved hers?

2012-05-23, 08:54	Link #31188
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	It depends how much harm he inflicted during the run. And from your concepts, he done a lot (including one of Ichika's hand). Indirectly, but still. __________________

2012-05-23, 08:56	Link #31189
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	true... would a beacon that continually agitate the IS shielding work?

2012-05-23, 09:00	Link #31190
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	BY agitate do you mean eating or destroying? The later is used in [Outback Screamer] concept, reducing the shield integrity of any units within it's AoE. OTOH, a Shield Vacuum weapon would be a gamebreaker, or at worst somewhat impractical, but still powerful. __________________

2012-05-23, 09:11	Link #31191
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	basically it continually chips away at the IS shield... the concept is that it would be an anti-IS infantry issue weapon. Ofcourse it's not really standard issue. What's more, it's incredibly weak. However the cost-effectiveness is great since one unit in highest range can drain an IS's shielding proportionally, meaning the power of the beacon is dependent on the IS. However the shield drain only has a tiny range of a hundred meter radius with the damage being 0.01% of the total shield count eaten off per second. On the brightside... the power source needed to activate each beacon only amounts to an AA battery

2012-05-23, 09:14	Link #31192
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	That's less gamebreaker and more armywank, true, in practice this is less than efficient. But still, AA batteries! Are you for real? Imagine if it's scaled up and paired with automotive engine, I.S. denial area weapon! __________________

2012-05-23, 09:16	Link #31193
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	Doesn't sound like me huh? Been exploring the Marvel wikia so superpowered(via armor or otherwise) is getting pretty old. One more interesting point is that the beacons are small enough to fit in the palm of your hand. :\| EDIT: Guess what? The effects stack :\|

2012-05-23, 09:33	Link #31194
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	And I think some of my idea is crazy, stranger things keep happening again and again __________________

2012-05-23, 09:43	Link #31195
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	would IS be able to detect you if you can bend all forms of light and electrical waves so as they won't touch you?

2012-05-23, 09:46	Link #31196
greedyspectator Senior Member Join Date: May 2012	By the way, will a MASER type weapon be effective against an IS? My idea is to tune the MASER to emit at wavelengths similar to or even the same as the wavelengths IS units use to communicate. This way, the MASER beam bypasses the shields since the IS unit will register the attack as a communication attempt. Is this feasible? By the way, is the shielding system of an IS passive or active? __________________ “The evil that is in the world almost always comes from ignorance, and good intentions may do as much harm as malevolence if they lack understanding.” ― Albert Camus

2012-05-23, 09:46	Link #31197
agetreme Just another Idiot Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Delusion world	looking at his draft board hmm.... i think my idea are actually more bizzare.... (the Undead solider idea isn't thought up on the spot. it is days of wondering how to force nanomachine into somebody's body without them realizing it) it is the only thing which link both of my new story.... __________________ Ara Han

2012-05-23, 09:51	Link #31198
demino_hellsin That one guy Join Date: Nov 2011	easy... kill them then inject nanites.

2012-05-23, 09:53	Link #31199
StratoSpear Titans Test Team Pilot Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Elysium	I still wonder how do nanites actually allows a person to take complete control of another. Also, Spoiler for Scene!: “Tch…! We can’t let it come any closer, let’s—!” “Missiles! Ichika, above you!” Charlotte warns him while stabbing a combat knife into a grunt drone’s head. “Eh…?” Ichika looks up and sees a hail of micro missiles heading straight for him, forcing him to break off from engaging the Carnage while holding up the Setsura unit on his left arm. “Setsura, shield mode!” A wide barrier shield is immediately deployed from the Setsura, providing a firm protection as the micro missile impacts onto the barrier. Another drone attempts to attack his flank, prompting him to quickly draw out the Yukihara solid sword and swings it as he turns around, slicing the drone in half across its abdomen. As the sliced drone falls, Ichika looks back to the Carnage and gasps upon seeing the armor unit pointing its finger-shaped impact cannons on its left hand directly at him. Shiu~ *BDOOM* A high-speed Railgun shot from the distant Schwarzer Regen inflict great impact that it knocks the Carnage’s huge arm away, throwing off its aim from Ichika, who then looks over to Laura. “Thanks!” Laura simply nods with a smirk while Lingyin comes by, in her Shenlong, and fires her twin Ryuhow shoulder impact cannons onto the Carnage but to no effect due to its strong barrier. Gerald then moves the Carnage to retaliate, aiming its finger cannons at Laura and Lingyin. “Like I’ll let you!” Ichika exclaims while dashing towards the Carnage’s right side, setting his sights upon the monster unit’s left arm where the finger cannons are. “Nope.” Gerald then charges up the Carnage’s railcannon on its right forearm and points it towards Ichika. “…!” Without hesitation, Gerald launches a powered caliber shot which instantaneously belts towards the Byakushiki Setsura. With no room to react, Ichika could only move up his armored forearms to block the shot, which then collides with deadly impact force. “Urh…!” “ICHIKA!” The two girls attempt to catch the falling Byakushiki but a barrage of near-invisible impact shots from the Carnage’s finger cannons knock them out of the sky as well. __________________ "You cannot be bad at watching a movie. You cannot be bad at listening to an album. ...But you can be bad at playing a videogame, and the game will punish you and deny you access to the rest of the videogame."

2012-05-23, 09:54	Link #31200
ZeroXSEED I am no one Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Inside your head	@ Demi Dunno It's really depend on the quality of stealth, I'd say. Because I.S. explicitly has distortion sensor (meaning they can detect ripples in the air using visual recognition). Meaning predator style invisibility isn't going to do jack. @ Stratos Nanites is used in ST as brainwashing tool. Also, shield mode don't do jack against solid weapon in canon. (my version DID, but then again it's fanon thing) @ Greedy I'm not sure about that, but "Sync itself with I.S. barrier" concept has been used in plenty of fanfic. __________________