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Then you have once in a humanity lifetime geniuses like Franz Lizt and Mozart but that is a whole other matter.
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2008-08-30, 21:57 | Link #85 | ||
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I'm not saying Kyoani is bad, though. I'm saying it's not as good as it could be. Quote:
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2008-08-30, 22:14 | Link #86 |
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Bones has had more original works. Xam'd is great (original work). Sword of the Stranger (original work) was great. Soul Eater (manga based) was great when I was watching it. But as Skyfall said, these titles may not be for everybody. In fact, they are aimed at R1 with appeal to R2 which may be why KyoAni gets more press. KyoAni's stuff is aimed at R2 with some appeal in R1.
Munto series is not completed yet. Its few fans need some resolution.
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2008-08-30, 22:15 | Link #87 | ||
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In any case, I add myself to the crowd of people who pity the fact that a chance was lost at KyoAni trying their luck with something new. A shame, a shame really. Now they could take a peek at their backlog (key's works, haruhi second season, fmp, munto 3rd OVA) and pick something at random. That or picking a new series, abandon it in the way so they can leave even more fans in despair. Sometimes I wonder if that isn't their plan all along. Anyone up for a kyoani conspirancy theories thread?
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2008-08-30, 22:26 | Link #88 |
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I doubt that in the grand scheme of things that people are going to be in despair for very long. Once they announce Haruhi or Planetarian, it will all wash away like what happens after a Spring shower.
Planetarian can be made to be dark and violent so it would be something new for them. With Chaos;HEAd coming out, it would be a nice title to also release soon.
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2008-08-30, 22:31 | Link #90 |
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FMP fans can buy the Blu-ray versions that are being released. So they won't have money for the DVDs.
Munto fans are used to waiting. It's our lot in life. They just need to release Planetarian before Umineko steals the show.
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2008-09-02, 04:59 | Link #91 | |
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There had been many good anime in the past. And most of them are NOT animated by KyoAni. So quality isn't what made them stood out. And original content certainly isn't their forte. What made KyoAni special, is that they have adapted source materials into anime far more successfully than anyone ever thought possible. To be exact, they did more than just make good adaptations or accurate adaptations; they've made good AND accurate adaptations! Why is it a big deal? Simple. For decades, there had been few attempts by any studio to adapt manga/novel/ren-ai games accurately. The assumption has been that it is too difficult to do, and/or that an exactly replica of the source material wouldn't be any good. How often have we heard "The anime was alright I guess, but the manga was better"? It's said so often that it is hardly worth a mention; people treated it as something as unavoidable as death and taxes! Yes, it is true KyoAni lacked pure originality; but that's not what KyoAni is after. Think of a manga/novel/game as a small ceramic statuette; It is a beautiful statuette, but it can fit in a shoe-box and could not be seen by many people. KyoAni would be like a contractor who is paid to convert the statuette into a massive Colossus made of Bronze, 30 meters tall. The average anime company would have made a rough approximation of the original statue, as they wouldn't bother to replicate every microscopic detail. They wouldn't even bother to talk to the original maker of the statuette. You would be lucky, sometimes, if the final product even remotely resembled the original. While KyoAni would have the original artist visit the site of the construction weekly, inquire about the sketches the artist made back before creating the ceramic, and ask if the artist wanted any improvements made to his specifications. That's what makes KyoAni different; they care about the fact that they are shaping something that artistically belonged to someone-else. No one else does this; not any other studio. Elsewhere, it happens occasionally for random projects, but KyoAni is the only Studio to do this all the time.
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2008-09-02, 06:05 | Link #92 |
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Wait wait wait wait wait wait.
So Kyoani does 5 series, all adaptations, and suddenly it's a genius studio? As opposed to studios that have made dozens more adaptations (every major studio?), also in the same accurate manner? I believe the only one that gets a lot of flak for its poor adaptations is Gonzo. And I'm not even mentioning that 1) Kanon had a different ending that mish-mashed everything together, 2) Lucky Star was completely bastardized by Haruhi references, 3) FMP Fumoffu had not too much to do with the original light novels. I do believe Kyoani is a studio that shows a lot of promise, animation skill and a couple of original ideas (their best idea to date, IMO, was the episode rearranging in Haruhi). However, I don't think it's because they do good adaptations because, frankly, good adaptations are the least of my worries when it comes to anime, and I find it hard to believe that most of the rabid Haruhi fan crowd has read the light novels prior to the series' creation. Same with Kanon, Clannad and Lucky Star. In fact, I doubt most of the rabid Kyonani fan crowd has read/played the original material for any of their series period.
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Some shows like Soul Eater are kinda hard to do bad. It's like Naruto and Bleach, even with filler they didn't loose much. FMP is the only one that I think fits that category, with the rest walking on egg shells. These other studios which you don't give name of, would you trust them with series like Lucky Star or Haruhi?
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2008-09-02, 06:16 | Link #94 | |
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Also, Soul Eater is one hell of a faithful adaptation. Where are the hordes of manga readers praising it like it's the best thing since peanut butter? I've even seen people stating that it's an original work. Quote:
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"Pure win" here means that they were all good enough, that's all.
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If that's not faithful adaptation, I don't know what is. Faithful adaptation doesn't mean photocopying everything over; it means doing it in a way the original author would approve. Quote:
Most of the "Originality" in Haruhi actually came from the novels; you missed that because you haven't read them.
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2008-09-02, 06:49 | Link #98 | |
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Kyoani has proven it can take something and make it into a good anime. I don't care if the source material is the bible or toilet paper for what it's worth. Their job is to make it enjoyable; that's what a good adaptation is. Soul Eater is copy/paste not an adaptation, same with series like Naruto, Bleach. What exactly did they adapt? it's nothing but animation of the source. I don't even bother watching the anime for those shows. I feel I already saw it whenver I look at it; it's damn boring.
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Sheez, total offtop. Okay, this topic is interesting...
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Taking it as is and hoping for the best isn't exactly adapting. But w/e...
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Although just buying the rights, no questions asked, is probably more common.
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