|
View Poll Results: Macross Delta - Episode 6 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 11 | 28.21% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 41.03% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 5 | 12.82% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 12.82% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 5.13% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll |
|
Thread Tools |
2016-05-09, 00:57 | Link #61 |
Junior Member
Join Date: May 2016
|
If lady M is a previously known character, I would guess her to Myung Fan Lone. Mikumo seems like an artificial construct of some sort, the OP scene, the 'mysterious' background her putting herself in harms-way all the time and needing less sound boosting equipment.
I doubt that the identity of Lady M would be revealed anyways and her real identity could be anybody given the great number of people whose name starts with a M and that 'M' might not refer to a person's name. |
2016-05-09, 01:26 | Link #63 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
|
I knew that Freya getting head start meant very little, I also new it's just matter of time before Mirage catch with her. What I didn't expect is she will be actually able overtake her in single episode spurt
Next episode seems also Delta platoon centered and Freya seems have enough of own troubles. As I see it, she will need some help from plot to get back on the horse. Quote:
__________________
|
|
2016-05-09, 02:14 | Link #64 |
Crazy Devout Fanboy
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks
|
Of course Mirage was going to have romantic development with Hayate. Why do you think it's called a "love triangle"? But "very little meaning"? "Overtake"? Wow, somebody's getting ahead of himself. I have no idea how you're seeing this as Mirage overtaking Freya, or it making Freya's starting development any less meaningful. Save that call for 18-19 episodes from now. I have no doubt Mirage will gain more ground (otherwise there's no love triangle between the three of them), but you're getting way too ahead of yourself from just one scene. No offense, but it's hard to take you seriously when you're making mile-long leaps and writing off heavy development and chemistry as "meaning very little" after just one scene. It's way too early to call winner or loser for either side.
__________________
|
2016-05-09, 02:56 | Link #66 | |
Pew Pew Pew!
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Buttfuck Nowhere, Canada
|
Quote:
In the case of Mirage, he has sort of changed leaps and bounds in the way he treats her. From the start of the episode where she showed a strong professionalism towards criticism, to him trying to cheer her up as allies, to her watching his back, him coming back to save her through breaking his own values, and finally just the way he treats her when she tries to relate to him at the end, at the very least he's grown a lot of respect for her and he confirms it by thanking her as an instructor. I do like how subtle it all is. Like just an episode ago he chewed her out for trying to relate something to Freyja when she was down. He's been on the defensive with Mirage for a while now but this time he treats her a hellalot better. I mean she related her military experience (last time is was just her grandparents' love story)...Hayate has made it amply clear that he hates the military, hates being a soldier and doesn't want to fly to kill. He didn't take offense at her story this time and took it as her cheering him up. That's frigging ridiculous. Granted he's being affected by a lot of things and I still don't think anyone is romantically motivated yet, which i'm realllyyy enjoying, but Mirage's had a far more interesting development just in this episode compared to Hayate with Freyja's interactions. I mean it's Ep 6 right now, Freyja and Hayate's both been in basically the same spot since Ep 2 (aka we get along well, I'm protective of her and your music is spinach to my popeye). Of course the scales will tip the other way soon enough. I'm honestly more interested in Messer's angsty non-love-life though as far as triangles go. Edit: THAT ISN'T TO SAY THE FREYJA - HAYATE INTERACTIONS AREN'T CUTE They've been pretty much mostly the same though. |
|
2016-05-09, 05:32 | Link #67 | |
Crazy Devout Fanboy
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks
|
Quote:
I never said you were calling the winner, though. I was speaking in general. This kind of gun-jumping so early in the race after just one scene is best nipped in the bud.
__________________
|
|
2016-05-09, 06:43 | Link #70 |
Crazy Devout Fanboy
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks
|
Freya has had five episodes of great chemistry with Hayate so far. To say Mirage took the lead after one good scene with Hayate is jumping the gun.
__________________
|
2016-05-09, 07:13 | Link #71 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
|
With exception it's not one scene (I am not even sure which one you mean, as there is several candidates). Anyway Hayate right now doesn't fly for sake of dreams but for sake of protecting people which put him closer to Mirage.
He might go back enjoying himself once sky is free of bloodshed, but now it would be rather difficult...
__________________
|
2016-05-09, 10:24 | Link #73 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Age: 48
|
Quote:
--- So, the takeaways from this episode are that NUNS isn't coming soon to solve all this, because they have their own problems and consider this a small border dispute (though I think that "four planets have been annexed by that planet who won a rebellion against us" is something which would raise more than a few eyebrows). Makes you wonder what their "own problems" exactly are. The romance finally gets going, though they are doing a very subtle burn on it. I like it, Delta is another story than Frontier after all. And you'll never surpass Sheryl x Alto anyway. Might as well concentrate on another aspect of Macross. I guess we'll skip the extra fierce shipping wars this time. The Windermerans crown prince pretty much looks like he will get his younger brother killed with his fanaticism. What we saw confirmed most of our speculations and the real motivation for the Windermeran expansionism seems to find the correct McGuffin to fix what they did to their planet, instead of being some diffuse nationalistic superiority complex (which is not to say that there aren't members of the Aerial Knights coughBoguecough who have that personality trait). The writers are keeping the characterization of the other members of Walkure and Delta at the levels of the tertiary cast of Frontier (i.e. Cathy, Ozma and Bobby), which seems about right with the number of characters. The Aerial Knights are getting the worst of it in terms of characterization. They are pretty much one personality trait each.
__________________
|
|
2016-05-09, 10:27 | Link #74 |
Senior Member
Author
|
Excellent Episode 6.
The action scenes were fine, and I loved the artistic decision to have various Walkure faces show up on the side of asteroids during the main fight. But for me, the highlights of the episode were much more the superb character development than the good action scenes. Freyja and Hayate are already well-developed, and so was Mirage to some extent, but the rest of the central cast really needed more focus. And I think that Episode 6 handled that superbly. I now have a good feel for all of the following: 1. Walkure as a whole, and each of its individual members. 2. Arad and Messer's characters. 3. Lightly hinted relationships/romances within the main cast (Arad/Kaname and Makina/Reina). It doesn't feel forced or pandering. Instead it feels very natural and lively, making this show come to life that much more. 4. The overall dynamic between Walkure and the pilot side of Delta Squadron. I really like the easy-going camaraderie between Walkure and Delta pilots. Walkure don't act like pampered divas that would consider it a waste of time to hang out with soldiers, and Delta pilots don't act like Walkure are just performers that couldn't possibly relate to the troubles of a soldier. Much to the contrary, they all feel like one big family that communicate very easily with each other without the slightest hint of celebrity ego or strong emotional boundaries. The Windermere side also received a decent amount of focus, and that scar reveal was a good way to end the episode! Yeah, looks like Kazu-kun is right in his speculations that Windermere has some hidden secret/issue that's helping to motivate its hasty war actions. Now, the love triangle... The main positive is now we actually have one. Tenzen12 probably overstated Mirage's jump in this episode, but nonetheless, Mirage did make quite a jump in this episode. Both in her relationship with Hayate, and also in her character as a whole. This was easily Mirage's best episode yet, in my view. She came off as very likeable, and she had some good lines. Either HayateXMirage or HayateXFrejya can very easily and seamlessly transition into a complete open romance after this episode. It would take at least a few episodes to do either as well as possible, but it could definitely be done without much trouble at all. Hayate has considerable warmth and friendship with both girls, and some very cute moments with each (the mutual thumbs-up between Hayate and Mirage in Episode 5 stands out a lot to me here). Which of the two pairings you prefer probably comes down to who you like most between Mirage and Freyja, and/or what you most like to see as the basis of a romance. Hayate and Freyja have impressively parallel character arcs, showing considerable personality similarity between the two. Their bond is a strong and basic personality one. Hayate and Mirage are now close comrades on the battlefield, and that also has its own charm to be sure. Romance based on similar personality, or romance based on shared duty, might be a good way to sum up the love triangle so far. I don't think either girl has a big edge on the other, at this point. So I think we have a very fun and well-balanced love triangle here, which is probably for the best.
__________________
|
2016-05-09, 10:37 | Link #75 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
|
Quote:
EDIT: Well, when I said Mirage overtook Freya I meant from Doylist perspective, not Watsonian. At moment Freya is still probably closer to Hayate at personal level (I wouldn't bet any limb on it though).Regardless considering there is still no romance in "love triangle" later is only one that matter for time being.
__________________
Last edited by Tenzen12; 2016-05-09 at 10:50. |
|
2016-05-09, 10:46 | Link #76 | |
Catholic = Cat addiction?
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: MURICA!!
|
Quote:
The NUN is far from the evil-empire that some people think they are. If the NUNs really wanted to be total dicks? They'd drop a legion of Zentradi on Wind and just let em go... All that superiority complex would have died at that moment. Yeah, do the Var then, I dare ya. - Tak
__________________
|
|
2016-05-09, 10:55 | Link #77 | |
Senior Member
Author
|
Quote:
But Walkure are really Battle Idols. They really are out there fighting in their own way. A good analogy might be to imagine Delta squadron (including Walkure) as a party in a MMORPG game, like WoW. Hayate and Mirage are both front-line fighters, sharing the same class or very similar classes. Freyja is like a support mage of some sort. Freyja isn't out there shooting down the enemy, but she's nonetheless opposing the enemy by actively supporting front-line fighters like Hayate and Mirage. There's a reason why Bogue considers Freyja a traitor, after all. So Delta squadron is all in this together, they're all part of a team. Hayate and Mirage are a bit closer professionally, I guess you could say, because they have the same role - hence shared duty, like I wrote. But it's not like Freyja is just off performing concerts in a completely separate place. When Delta squadron pilots go into battle, so do Walkure. So there's going to be plenty of opportunities for Hayate and Freyja to continue helping one another and to continue paralleling one another in their growths. There may be a line between them, but they will continue to be walking side-by-side for as long as he's a fighter-pilot and she's part of Walkure.
__________________
|
|
2016-05-09, 10:55 | Link #78 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2012
|
Hayate killed person and he will continue killing from now, because it has to be done. Freya will help people and give them hope. Even if they are on same place, their role can't be more different. Don't get me wrong of course they will hang with each other and have fun, but they both will move grow in different direction.
Quote:
__________________
|
|
2016-05-09, 10:57 | Link #79 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hamburg, Germany
Age: 48
|
Eeeh, as long as they can indefinitely control the Zentradi via VAR, that would only add a army of well-armed giants to the Windermerans force. OTOH, if Heinz does not have the juice to keep up the fine control, it would mean an army of rampaging well-armed giants on their homeworld, so Tak might just be right. ^^
__________________
|
2016-05-09, 11:14 | Link #80 | |
Catholic = Cat addiction?
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: MURICA!!
|
Quote:
- Tak
__________________
|
|
|
|