(L+CR) Black Bullet

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

What? Death squads only exist in fictional worlds? Really? Someone MUST tell 'em that...

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

So far what I have seen is a bunch of lolis whose eyes glow red (maybe creepy, but not enough to trigger an instinctive "fight or run" reaction).

Dude, traumatized and scared people don't need the best of reasons to hate. You just need to look outside.
Anyway, the culling of humanity happened, what, ten years ago, in the series? Plenty of people still remembering the toll that those imfected charged, no? Who's to say the little lolis won't turn, as well?
Frightened mobs are also scary as hell...

[Mega27]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

Just wondering, if they could make the intitators from cursed children, what could stop them from building an army? Especially with this Megacity setting, I expect a politician would set up his own private hit(wo)men squad of loli to control the dissident.

Varanium.

Spoiler for Harm:

Varanium also harms the Cursed Children, since technically they have the Gastrea Virus within them. For example, Enju was heavily injured by one of Kagetane's bullets.

[Fireminer]

A hit-team who strike from shadow, not head on war.

Beside, Varanium are just metal. What could stop girls to wear bulletproff gear? A plus point if you have Rhino or Elephant-type children.

[desrtsku]

I don't think something qualified as "just metal" is dangerous and potent enough to create a anti-projectile barrier capable of repelling bullets. That thing looks and sounds like like the sort of plot device that does whatever the author wants it to do.

[Mega27]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

A hit-team who strike from shadow, not head on war.

Beside, Varanium are just metal. What could stop girls to wear bulletproff gear? A plus point if you have Rhino or Elephant-type children.

Keep in mind that knowing how to fight does not meaning you'll win the war. You'll need the brains to create plans and the such. These girls don't get any education at all.

And as for the metal, ep 1 didn't explain this, but Varanium can be used to make more than just bullets. It can be used to make swords and basically every weapon used by Civil Security. The sole of Enju's boots are made from Varanium.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

What? Death squads only exist in fictional worlds? Really? Someone MUST tell 'em that...

Of course they exist IRL, but not "almost anywhere"; and no, organized crime does not always create death squads.

Dude, traumatized and scared people don't need the best of reasons to hate. You just need to look outside.

Sorry dude, as bad as gang wars are here, hate is not permissive in my society, we do not hate the guts of each other, from time to time we talk badly of people from other regions, but hate crimes over here are unheard of (gangs kill for money, very different motivation).

Anyway, the culling of humanity happened, what, ten years ago, in the series? Plenty of people still remembering the toll that those imfected charged, no? Who's to say the little lolis won't turn, as well?

Statistics? medical science? Those lolis receive injections that reduce corrosion to near zero. If there was a 1% chance of an outbreak the cursed lolis would be outside the city (instead of the outskirts) or even not be allowed to be born, this pandemic is worse than ebola so they would not take the risk, plain and simple.

Frightened mobs are also scary as hell...

I agree a 100%, but fail to see any mob terrorizing mutie lolis, the only thing I see is a couple of cops that kill a kid with premeditation, treachery and advantage; the only emotion that transpired was due to the fact that it took too many bullets to get it done (they probably have to buy back the bullets since they will not report the incident and said expense cuts into their profit).

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by Reaper9

You know, just from episode 2, you know whom Kategone really reminds me of, from what anime? I'll give you a hint, it's a guy who fought in the shadows during the Japanese civil war, and then when his job was done, he was shot and torched alive to cover up the new governments dirty secrets. Said burned guy lives, and swears vengeance on those who betrayed him. Yep, getting similar vibes.

You're talking about Schwarzwald right? Indeed there definitely similarities and he was an awesome villain too.

Originally Posted by Fireminer

Just wondering, if they could make the intitators from cursed children, what could stop them from building an army? Especially with this Megacity setting, I expect a politician would set up his own private hit(wo)men squad of loli to control the dissident.

Because most of the children (if not all) are going to turn into Gastrea one day? If they had method control them or an effective countermeasure the idea would be more feasible.

[MeoTwister5]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

You're talking about Schwarzwald right? Indeed there definitely similarities and he was an awesome villain too.

I'm pretty sure he's talking about Makoto Shishio of Rurouni Kenshin.

[Fireminer]

Originally Posted by Mega27

Keep in mind that knowing how to fight does not meaning you'll win the war. You'll need the brains to create plans and the such. These girls don't get any education at all.

Who say they can't be trained? Dolphin-type has been able to show exceptional adapting ability.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

I'm pretty sure he's talking about Makoto Shishio of Rurouni Kenshin.

Oh good one.

Can't believe I forgot about him, then again it's decades since I watched that show so Shishio's backstory is murky to me.

[shanksen]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

Just wondering, if they could make the intitators from cursed children, what could stop them from building an army? Especially with this Megacity setting, I expect a politician would set up his own private hit(wo)men squad of loli to control the dissident.

I think they can and not just the politicians. lets just watch the upcoming episodes


and also imagine cursed children + mechanized soldier using varanium, it's possible I think... dem I wanna see that

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

Of course they exist IRL, but not "almost anywhere"; and no, organized crime does not always create death squads.

Dude, let's agree to disagree and move on, shall we?
Just FYI, in your own country, look for the history of the PRI, ok?

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

Sorry dude, as bad as gang wars are here, hate is not permissive in my society, we do not hate the guts of each other, from time to time we talk badly of people from other regions, but hate crimes over here are unheard of (gangs kill for money, very different motivation).

Honestly, futile motives are still futile, no matter what.
They don't kill or ostracize gay people, over there? Don't be defensive, mate. Like I said, things are bad everywhere.

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

Statistics? medical science? Those lolis receive injections that reduce corrosion to near zero. If there was a 1% chance of an outbreak the cursed lolis would be outside the city (instead of the outskirts) or even not be allowed to be born, this pandemic is worse than ebola so they would not take the risk, plain and simple.

If it's something they have to take regularly, it's at least possible they'll turn. Thus, my point is validated.

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

I agree a 100%, but fail to see any mob terrorizing mutie lolis, the only thing I see is a couple of cops that kill a kid with premeditation, treachery and advantage; the only emotion that transpired was due to the fact that it took too many bullets to get it done (they probably have to buy back the bullets since they will not report the incident and said expense cuts into their profit).

And this isn't indicative of the general feeling of the populace how, again?

[Random Wanderer]

Statistics? medical science? Those lolis receive injections that reduce corrosion to near zero. If there was a 1% chance of an outbreak the cursed lolis would be outside the city (instead of the outskirts) or even not be allowed to be born, this pandemic is worse than ebola so they would not take the risk, plain and simple.

Perhaps you should keep watching.

[maplehurry]

Originally Posted by BetoJR

If it's something they have to take regularly, it's at least possible they'll turn. Thus, my point is validated.

If they are allowed to exist, then it means it's for the better (at this time) that they exist, otherwise the government would just kill every cursed children to not deal with the risk. In other words, it's decided that it's worth the risk.

[Mega27]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

Who say they can't be trained? Dolphin-type has been able to show exceptional adapting ability.

That's the problem. XD Humans don't look at these girls as humans, and thus why they don't 'educate' them and call them monster, and force them to live in the Outer Areas. Someone who doesn't know anything can't teach themselves or others.

[BW95]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

Sorry dude, as bad as gang wars are here, hate is not permissive in my society, we do not hate the guts of each other, from time to time we talk badly of people from other regions, but hate crimes over here are unheard of (gangs kill for money, very different motivation).

Statistics? medical science? Those lolis receive injections that reduce corrosion to near zero. If there was a 1% chance of an outbreak the cursed lolis would be outside the city (instead of the outskirts) or even not be allowed to be born, this pandemic is worse than ebola so they would not take the risk, plain and simple.

The hatred for all things Gastrea-related in this universe is unlike anything seen in real life. Unlike typical racism like that against African Americans and the Holocaust, this hatred was born not only from blind prejudice, but from the fear and terror born from the near extinction of the human race and collapse of civilization. Remember the first part of episode 1? People were living in refugee camps while fighting a losing war against the Gastrea.

Reduce? You really need to go over that again. There's no such thing as "reduce." That would be a cure, which clearly doesn't exist. Those injections can only suppress corrosion, which occurs naturally.

[mangamuscle]

Originally Posted by BW95

The hatred for all things Gastrea-related in this universe is unlike anything seen in real life. Unlike typical racism like that against African Americans and the Holocaust, this hatred was born not only from blind prejudice, but from the fear and terror born from the near extinction of the human race and collapse of civilization. Remember the first part of episode 1? People were living in refugee camps while fighting a losing war against the Gastrea.

But these loli clearly are not Gastrea, unlike the innocent bystander that got turned into one in episode 1, he was no longer in control of his actions. Fear of the gastrea is logical, but fearing the cursed lolis would be like fearing aids patients (when just discoivered it seemed that AIDS infections were out of control and even today there is no cure). If the lolis looked like gastrea when exerting their powers I would undestand the irrational hatred, but they do not.

Reduce? You really need to go over that again. There's no such thing as "reduce." That would be a cure, which clearly doesn't exist. Those injections can only suppress corrosion, which occurs naturally.

There are people born with diseases but that does not mean they can't live a normal life (while it lasts). From your own words, as long as corrosion is supressed they can live a normal life, they are not cured and they probably never will, but that does not mean they should be treated like lepers.

[NinjaRealist]

Originally Posted by BW95

The hatred for all things Gastrea-related in this universe is unlike anything seen in real life. Unlike typical racism like that against African Americans and the Holocaust, this hatred was born not only from blind prejudice, but from the fear and terror born from the near extinction of the human race and collapse of civilization.

Actually a better example than the Holocaust would be the Israeli persecution of the Palestinians that is a direct result of the Holocaust (I'm a Jew and I support the existence of Israel, so don't think I'm just some anti-Israel extremist, but I can't deny the crimes against humanity that Israel has committed).

In this case, the Jews/Israelis were basically pushed to the brink of extinction by first the Nazis and then the Arab States and as a result of this, the Israeli Jews developed a persecution complex/fear of Arabs and Nazis that drove them to the point of committing atrocities and murder against the Palestinians.

I see the situation in Black Bullet as being somewhat analogous to this. I mean, obviously there's nothing that directly compares to the Gastrea, but I think the way that the humans in the show are motivated by fear to commit violence is very similar to many phenomenon that have occurred repeatedly throughout history.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

But these loli clearly are not Gastrea, unlike the innocent bystander that got turned into one in episode 1, he was no longer in control of his actions. Fear of the gastrea is logical, but fearing the cursed lolis would be like fearing aids patients (when just discoivered it seemed that AIDS infections were out of control and even today there is no cure). If the lolis looked like gastrea when exerting their powers I would undestand the irrational hatred, but they do not.



There are people born with diseases but that does not mean they can't live a normal life (while it lasts). From your own words, as long as corrosion is supressed they can live a normal life, they are not cured and they probably never will, but that does not mean they should be treated like lepers.

Cursed children are time bomb and one day from cute loli they turn into huge bug that eats moms, daughters and lovers. It's nice that there are medicaments that can prolong their life as humans but bomb remain bomb even if it's timed in metter of years and decades.

Degree of fear might not be racional, but by all means understandable.

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by maplehurry

If they are allowed to exist, then it means it's for the better (at this time) that they exist, otherwise the government would just kill every cursed children to not deal with the risk. In other words, it's decided that it's worth the risk.

Like others have pointed out before me, yes, the powers that be are gambling on that exact point. They need the lolis, but they don't really wanna suffer them too much. It's a basic extrapolation of the extreme prejudices some people are subject to all around the globe.

I find it intriguing, to say the least, what we're about to see, here. I trust it'll be even darker from now on?

Originally Posted by mangamuscle

But these loli clearly are not Gastrea, unlike the innocent bystander that got turned into one in episode 1, he was no longer in control of his actions. Fear of the gastrea is logical, but fearing the cursed lolis would be like fearing aids patients (when just discoivered it seemed that AIDS infections were out of control and even today there is no cure). If the lolis looked like gastrea when exerting their powers I would undestand the irrational hatred, but they do not.

You make a valid point for the counter-argument right at the second sentence of your post: people used to fear (actually be terrified of) AIDS patients. To the point of shunning them from society and even - gasp! - killing them as a public display of shame. C'mon, this isn't even ancient history! And it happened all around the globe - the prejudice still exists, as some afflicted still struggle with public admission to it, from time to time.

Irrational ratred is just that: irrational. Not something we're sheltered from, in my experience.