(L+CR) Darling in the Franxx

[kampfer91]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Oh look, they do actually have guns and bullets that can paralyze 02. I wonder why the APE SWAT team didn't use them back when they tried to forcefully picked up 02 unharmed instead of using harmful live-ammo rifles . Thanks, Franxx. I'm glad that you confirmed one of the inconsistencies and convenience in your writing that people argued early on.

Because that was the 1st time she openly went against the order and they thought live-bullet is enough to threaten her , and they were the escort for transporting Strelizia and the doctor so live bullet is a good choice .

In this case however , they have to restrain her to run some test and come prepared .

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by kampfer91

Because that was the 1st time she openly went against the order and they thought live-bullet is enough to threaten her , and they were the escort for transporting Strelizia and the doctor so live bullet is a good choice .

In this case however , they have to restrain her to run some test and come prepared .

All of that was never mentioned in the show. What you're doing above is filling in the plot holes yourselves with headcanon.

[orion]

Originally Posted by kampfer91

Because that was the 1st time she openly went against the order and they thought live-bullet is enough to threaten her , and they were the escort for transporting Strelizia and the doctor so live bullet is a good choice .

In this case however , they have to restrain her to run some test and come prepared .

Getting their butts sailed across a room left an impression. Getting their heads smashed into the ground is going to leave more of an impression. They should have bought some tazers with them.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

^ Exactly.

[Tormenk]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Also, what's up with Naomi? If she's alive and still treated, good for her. If she's dead, covering it up should be too much of a hassle. Why don't APE said it outright that she was killed by the Klaxo and use her death to motivate others to avenge her and work better as soldiers? These parasites are well-aware about the risk of dying.

Death on the battlefield is a clear consequence to Squad 13 but it's not too clear if they realize disposal is a possibility once their usefulness ends. Might be some sort of cognitive dissonance on their part since they have clearly known for a long time some children leave and never return. Nana and Hachi seems contend to withhold information from them as much as possible too.

Hiro's picture book seems to be pretty special now since it seems just about the rest of the books they have are all text-only, aside from the one Kokoro picked up.

[kampfer91]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

All of that was never mentioned in the show. What you're doing above is filling in the plot holes yourselves with headcanon.

Giving that Hiro is the one who changed 02 , i would say it is possible , but it is just anime theory .
Also the gun may have 2 firing modes .

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by kampfer91

Giving that Hiro is the one who changed 02 , i would say it is possible, but it is just anime theory.

Yup, it's just theory (so far).

Originally Posted by kampfer91

Also the gun may have 2 firing modes .

If that's true then all members of that APE SWAT-team must be fired for incompetency or at least re-trained. If you watch that episode again, you'll see that they were just holding their rifles doing nothing due to fear of harming 02 while she & Hiro entered, stole and got Strelizia out of the plane . Are you saying that those APE SWAT-team were too stupid to use the tazer/tranq-mode in their rifles (if it existed at all)?

[kampfer91]

IRL when it come to arrest the drug trafficker the cop would beter just shoot down the suspect instead of wasting time trying to catch them because it is criminal ,they must pay for all theirs crime , but they still do the latter .

They don't try to restrain her because either they don't have that specialized bullet or they think she will still comply to the order like usual hence the reason why they think they don't need one .

Like metal detector in airport nowadays , at 1st they didn't install it because they didn't think about the possibility of terrorist carrying bomb or weapon abroad the plane , the 9/11 was a wake up call .

[Azurial]

Hmm interesting i was hoping to see her back story since episode one XD finally getting to the part next episode. Is coming to piece by piece now 02 refused Hiro to give her a name before because she has a name and Hiro gave it to her before some amnesia cliće kicks in XD

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by kampfer91

They don't try to restrain her because either they don't have that specialized bullet or they think she will still comply to the order like usual hence the reason why they think they don't need one .

If the bolded reason is true then the APE spec-team are rubbish and idiots (as well as the ones who gave them orders). Again, the reasons never addressed in the show. If you know that you're gonna apprehend someone who is particularly well-known to be rebellious unharmed, the simple logic is to bring every paralyzing weapon available just in case the unexpected happen. That's like standard team operation 101. But they didn't do that coz reasons. Let's all just admit that the writing never thought that far and that specific.

[Fnights]

Amazing episode, the best so far. Wondering if they do these experiments to create the perfect human being and the ones who fail end up transforming into a monster.
Zero Two still a odd character, but they do not show us the "maintenance", probably because he is the "akai oni" mother where everything begin? Also who is the 01 sinc she is called 02?
Things are interesting now that the first "introduction" (and a little boring) arc is done.

[kampfer91]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

If the bolded reason is true then the APE spec-team are rubbish and idiots (as well as the ones who gave them orders). Again, the reasons never addressed in the show. If you know that you're gonna apprehend someone who is particularly well-known to be rebellious unharmed, the simple logic is to bring every paralyzing weapon available just in case the unexpected happen. That's like standard team operation 101. But they didn't do that coz reasons. Let's all just admit that the writing never thought that far and that specific.

Nah more like it is human innate nature to dismiss possible threat that everything could happen .

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by kampfer91

Nah more like it is human innate nature to dismiss possible threat that everything could happen .

The problem is, picking up 02 by force was supposed to be a legit official task/operation, not as simple as me forgetting to bring an umbrella in a cloudy day . A special ops is supposed to be prepared for a wide variety of unexpected possibilities and threats within reasons. When it comes to that, that APE squad (or people behind them) were just dumb or the writing just didn't bother. Take your pick.

[kampfer91]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

The problem is, picking up 02 by force was supposed to be a legit official task/operation, not as simple as me forgetting to bring an umbrella in a cloudy day . A special ops is supposed to be prepared for a wide variety of unexpected possibilities and threats within reasons. When it comes to that, that APE squad (or people behind them) were just dumb or the writing just didn't bother. Take your pick.

By force mean they have her at gunpoint and tell her to comply which they think it is enough , and they are guard / escort soldier , not special soldier or commando .

And explain why IRL cop not always patrol around with bigger gun other than pistol ? They should understand the slim possibility of terrorist attack or public shooting , or even an invasion .

In this case the soldier dismiss the possibility of 02 actually goes against order after seeing her finally give up and go with them and they are not allow to harm her since she is important to Papa plan .

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by kampfer91

By force mean they have her at gunpoint and tell her to comply which they think it is enough , and they are guard / escort soldier , not special soldier or commando .

And explain why IRL cop not always patrol around with bigger gun other than pistol ? They should understand the slim possibility of terrorist attack or public shooting , or even an invasion .

In this case the soldier dismiss the possibility of 02 actually goes against order after seeing her finally give up and go with them and they are not allow to harm her since she is important to Papa plan .

02 retaliating is not a remote possibility like a cop encountering a terrorist on a Friday night. It's a very very very close and easy-to-anticipate possibility. It's within reason. They already did the right thing by bringing guns, but they chose the wrong guns for the operation they were in. All those APE team had to do is bring the tranq-ish guns they use in this episode which is very simple, very easy and very logical. Like, if they have working brains, the tranq guns should've been the ones they prepared first and foremost.

[KPSJ]

Well looks like blue oni is back and If it becomes true there will only be a bittersweet ending for hiro

[Magewolf]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

If the bolded reason is true then the APE spec-team are rubbish and idiots (as well as the ones who gave them orders). Again, the reasons never addressed in the show. If you know that you're gonna apprehend someone who is particularly well-known to be rebellious unharmed, the simple logic is to bring every paralyzing weapon available just in case the unexpected happen. That's like standard team operation 101. But they didn't do that coz reasons. Let's all just admit that the writing never thought that far and that specific.

Or we can look at the show and see that this a a society built on control from the top down. People do as they are told because they have been trained that way since birth. Squad 13 is a exception in how little indoctrination(which is still a whole lot) they went through as pointed by several different people. And 02 seems to have had even less or perhaps her is just differently focused.

Security forces can expect their orders to be followed without force most of the time and if they are disobeyed it has not been shown as a world that cries over dead rule breakers. So them not having nonlethal means of control the first time but having them after 02 acts up makes perfect sense in world.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Magewolf

Or we can look at the show and see that this a a society built on control from the top down. People do as they are told because they have been trained that way since birth. Squad 13 is a exception in how little indoctrination(which is still a whole lot) they went through as pointed by several different people. And 02 seems to have had even less or perhaps her is just differently focused.

If you don't want to slap the idiocy on the APE squad then be my guest. But then like I already said in my comment (that you quoted), the idiocy then goes to whoever gave the squad the orders without telling them to bring non-lethal paralyzing weapons to use on 02 . How else do they think they're going to apprehend a retaliating 02 unharmed? By asking her nicely?

Originally Posted by Magewolf

Security forces can expect their orders to be followed without force most of the time and if they are disobeyed it has not been shown as a world that cries over dead rule breakers. So them not having nonlethal means of control the first time but having them after 02 acts up makes perfect sense in world.

If this government is as inept as you described when it comes to tactical anticipation and prediction then I question their ability to survive the unpredictable forces of Klaxosaurs all these years (decades?). Not to mention that those people are supposed to be aware that 02 is part Klaxosaur. That's more elements for concern.

[Twi]

Maybe she took out the one who had the tranq gun first?

Or they really didn't expect her to fight back. Nana even mentioned that her disobeying Papa was out of the ordinary and she's only been this rebellious since she met with Hiro. That's probably why they actively carried them this time.

[_Ninja_]

Man you're really nitpicking like crazy.