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That being said, I know it is somewhat silly, but how could we forget the main contender to potentially hold the Dragon Fruit...Dragon himself . Quote:
That being said, I do understand your sentiment. Realistically, the Warden/Vice-Warden should have noticed the constant missing supplies. And, added to that, the prisoner/warrior attacking Iva just a few chapters ago really ruined the mystique of the area, making it seem like just any prisoner could have found the place. But, in the end, I am going to wait and see if there is a specific reason for Iva to be in Impell Down (i.e. was he simply captured and imprisoned, or did he come there to scope out the place?...etc). Quote:
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2009-04-15, 18:47 | Link #283 | |
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2009-04-15, 20:25 | Link #284 |
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I was kinda hoping that this Arc and the upcoming battle against WB was gonna lead to BB moving the government to victory and starting to put Luffy in an allied position with Shanks, Dragon, and Roger's former crew members.
If BB is smart and he plays his cards right in this battle, he could heavily abuse one of the other powers to get him towards the end of the Grand Line if he wanted to crush the whole New World. With Ace, Luffy would have anyone left from WB's army behind him after this rescue. Who knows, maybe even WB himself could end up supporting Luffy. Luffy is very quickly crossing the line from pirate to rebel anyways in the eyes of the government. Hes effectively forced them to destroy one of their own marine bases and now he is almost at the highest level of the government's prison running amok. Hes gonna need help from some of the big players after this. They have made it evidently clear that Luffy's greatest ability is that almost everybody he encounters ends up liking or following him. Seems to me the logical place to take the story would be him allying up things like the other Yonkous, the Rebel Army, possibly even some of the Shichibukai.... On a side note: Have they ever actually implied just how powerful the Rebel faction is in comparison to the major powers? Clearly Iva is pretty freaking strong and they've labelled Dragon as the most dangerous man alive right? I mean what does this Rebel Army even do? Maybe they're just completely littered around the New World keeping everyone from reaching the end. At least we know how Sanji is connected to where Luffy is now too. At some point the crew is gonna have to meet up.... Maybe they'll all end up going to Impel Down while this is goin on. I bet Kuma is a rebel and all his paws send you to someplace with rebel connections. |
2009-04-15, 21:27 | Link #285 | |
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Just to let you know, no one ignored your post. It's just that the debate regarding who's stronger between the revolutionaries and the Whitebeard pirates has gotten really tiring and I,along with everyone else I assume, wanted to give it a rest. I agree with your analysis on how you came to the conclusion that Dragon is undoubtedly more powerful than Ace and Smoker. That's axiomatic when considering the valid reasons you gave. However, you do have the power balance wrong. It's MHQ = Shichibukai = Yonkou, and this information can be found in the "Grand Line Times" in one of the databooks (Yellow I believe). Remember, the MHQ and Shichibukai are two conflicting groups of equal power, and Garp stated that they are the only forces that can stand up to the Yonkou. As for the strength comparison between the revolutonaries and Whitebeard's crew, we simply can't say which faction is stronger at the moment because we haven't seen either faction fight seriously yet. We don't know the potential/capabilities of either group, and so we can't assess how they compare to each other strength wise. Furthermore, Whitebeard's crew is renowned as the strongest pirate crew, but the revolutionaries are not pirates, and hence there is no indication of the former being stronger than the latter. At this point, anyone who tells you the former is stronger than the latter and vice versa is spouting out a bunch of crap and declaring their assumptions as fact.
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2009-04-15, 21:39 | Link #286 | |
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Luffy sucks, where is Zoro, the BEST SH member.... Last edited by Phenomenal; 2009-04-15 at 21:54. |
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2009-04-16, 03:41 | Link #287 |
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The reason why Younkou are so strong (beside badass captains) is becuase they have hell lot of people in them. Whitebeard has like 16 division commanders and that gives at least 500 people I guess.
About dragons... I'm just saying that such DF could be overpowered. Ace is fire man, and there are 5 flying Zoans and we already saw one. We saw also how badass a dinosaur can get. Combine all those 3 DF together and you might get a dragon, or you can get something that is "illogical" when it really happens. Combining super strenght like Drake has (or stronger) with flying at super speed, and give it a boast of firebreathing would cause a giant limitation for the character. Like he can breath fire, but don't create super novas, he can fly but he can go invisible fast. Otherwise that would be really 3 DevilFruits in one.
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MHQ + 7sea = 4 yonkou and MHQ = 7sea then 4yonkou = 2MHQ or 2Yonkou = MHQ If DA is greatest physical threat in temrs of combatants to MHQ/ DA > MHQ it would make them > 2 Yonkou as WB is 1 Yonkou, there threat is 1/2 that of DA - but as its been said its still unclear if this threat is in temrs of physical force, ideolgy or a mix of both - but it is still a threat in terms of overthrowing current powers, so regardless of pirate or marine it still is a force either way capable of effectively destroying an organization/union [thnk of the idealogy as a weapon or a telepathic DF ] also thank you for responding, ive been a lurker here for a long time and didnt want all the time i spent to write that wall of text to go to waste Last edited by SMASHERJACKSON; 2009-04-16 at 13:18. |
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2009-04-16, 12:27 | Link #289 | |
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Actually, Whitebeard has 1,600 people in his crew (that is, each of the 16 divisions are 100 men strong). But I feel rather certain myself that the commanders are Newgate's top fighting forces. Of course I want to see Marco and Jozu in action, but I'm still pretty interested in checking out the rest of the commanders, as well (I wonder if they've found a replacement for the guy that got killed by Blackbeard yet....?). |
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2009-04-16, 13:06 | Link #290 | |
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2009-04-16, 13:17 | Link #291 |
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I always figured that Whitebeard's first mate was Marco, since he's the first division's commander. Both him and Jozu seem to have the most seniority in the crew so I guess either of those two could be the first mate (I still think it's Marco, though)....
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Thing is Marco looks as if he is Shanks age, and during Rogers Days, I don't see a guy like that keeping the Dark King in line, druing a battle. If Marco is Newgates 1st mate, shouldn't he be like around Whitebeard/Drak kings age, not saying I know there ages, but they look pretty old, while Marco looks pretty young. I think Oda is planing on suprising us readers with his 16 divisons. When Whitebeard and Red head, had the meeting, Marco and Jouz where the only crew men (who matter) shown, it was big but not that big of a impact on us readers, for this is a crew who had countless battles with the Pirate Kings Crew. I think Oda is saving the best of the 16 Comanders, to be properly introduced, when the war is about to set off. imo
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2009-04-16, 14:30 | Link #295 | |
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There is another 12 new badass characters coming up if all will be introduced. Whitebeard is 2 commanders short since one was killed and one is actually captured. I take dragon from what I read in books and saw in games (Warhammer), and they are many kinds: small&big, gold, red, black. Dragons like treasures, and doesn't like dwarfs :P Eastern dragons are for parades and parades are gay. swim swim fruit that grands you ability to swin very well... even that sounds creazy, not to mention giving this as a crossover of abilities.
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2009-04-16, 15:26 | Link #297 | |
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I know that Blackbeard can nulify the ability of DF user, but I doubt that there will be a user that can clone other's people abilities - we have Bon-chan that can copy only the appearance. Dualclassing is bad, don't mix warrior with archer, Aragorn you noob.
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2009-04-16, 16:20 | Link #299 | |
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Again, it does not really matter if Rayleigh ever fought Marco (or whomever turns out to be the 1st mate). All that matters is current strengths and abilities. If Marco does turn out to be the 1st mate then all we can say is that he is Whitebeard's first mate. To put it another way, we can not really theorize a possible first mate that could have potentially battled Rayleigh at some point in the past considering the fact that we do ot even know Rayleighs strengths, let alone Marco's or Shanks or even Whitebeard's). So, let's save semi-useless supposition until after we have some actual data to discuss the situation. |
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