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Kairin · 2012-02-16, 00:06

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Marina2 · 2012-02-16, 11:51

This is the most "WTF" Guilty Crown ep. for me...

Spoiler for Ep.17:

Soji · 2012-02-16, 11:59

^............

Spoiler for O_______O:

LastOrder · 2012-02-16, 12:08

I saw this coming a mile away.

Spoiler for Episode 17:

This episode was glorious.

konart · 2012-02-16, 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soji

^............

Spoiler for O_______O:

Spoiler for Inori:

Marina2 · 2012-02-16, 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soji

^............

Spoiler for O_______O:

Spoiler for Answer:

LOL....

EDIT: fixed something.

Sinestra · 2012-02-16, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marina2

This is the most "WTF" Guilty Crown ep. for me...

Spoiler for Ep.17:

Spoiler for LMAO:

Soji · 2012-02-16, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by konart

Spoiler for Inori:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marina2

Spoiler for Answer:

LOL....

EDIT: fixed something.

Thanks for the answer. both of you

Spoiler for spoiler:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Spoiler for LMAO:

Spoiler for spoiler:

nfsac · 2012-02-16, 12:47

Spoiler for Question about Shu:

Freeter · 2012-02-16, 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marina2

Spoiler for Answer:

LOL....

Haven't seen it yet, but...

Spoiler for 17:

Flawfinder · 2012-02-16, 13:06

Okay, I'll just get this out of the way. Yes, Arisa turns into an unlikeable slut this episode. To be fair, the change isn't really unbelievable, but really, I don't like how the show did the change and the result in only one episode. Now let's get to what I thought of the episode.

I don't know why the voids breaking is that much of a big deal, nor do I know why the characters have multiple personality disorder, but who cares? The show finally does what I wanted it to do...sort of. Take that Shu, you fucking piece of shit (apologies to people who like him)!

I was thinking of rating this episode 6/10 because I wasn't enjoying it very much due to Guilty Crown's autopilot, episodic nature and bad characters, but that ending was just awesome. Plus, it sort of developed naturally, so I'll bump it up a point.

And seriously, what was up with Arisa turning into a slut anyways?

Edit: Oh and according to the episode preview, yes, Inori is still alive. And yes, Shu lost his arm permanently. I wasn't keen on Gai coming back (or a clone of his or something), but it was worth it for doing what he did to Shu. And yes, I know he used a void he grabbed from another kid to chop Shu's arm off. This show just might save itself yet!

Marina2 · 2012-02-16, 13:07

@Freeter ,@nfsac

(I borrowed this picture from someone)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...119/gc17-4.jpg

Sinestra · 2012-02-16, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marina2

Spoiler for Answer:

LOL....

EDIT: fixed something.

Spoiler for reply:

Lumir · 2012-02-16, 13:39

If it was as easy as cutting his arm off Gai should have done that from the start. He literally just took "the kings power" without hesitation.

And what a HOE the president is. Giving her body for information to start a coup that only ended up doing next to NOTHING.

Gai is obviously some kind of zombified version of himself, probably that crystal stuff being controlled like a robot as we saw his eye was completely full of shards.

Inori is slowly becoming shu's worst nightmare. They did say something about inori being a vessel or something for you know who.

Soji · 2012-02-16, 13:44

Quote:

Inori is slowly becoming shu's worst nightmare. They did say something about inori being a vessel or something for you know who.

That depend maybe she will be his best ally?Then again we had to see how the next ep will play out. but I agree on what you say about Gai and Arisa.

Shadow5YA · 2012-02-16, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumir

If it was as easy as cutting his arm off Gai should have done that from the start. He literally just took "the kings power" without hesitation.

I don't think Gai could have done that from the beginning, because he still had some sentimental attachment to Shu because of their past.

Right now, I think Gai is just under the influence of the crystal like Mana, so his character has been corrupted.

DXMichael · 2012-02-16, 14:01

Wow, what an episode.

Not sure about anyone else, but I definately felt something when I saw what happened to Shu. It's irony really. After everything he had become, everything he had built up, the leadership, the void power, becoming heartless and watching people die before him, it was those very things that he worked hard to gain that caused the rebellion and caused Shu to lose his arm and powers.

The students were definately clueless. If not for Arisa and her...ways, they would never have pulled what they did to Shu off. The rumour that she started got them in a panicky mood, then she was pretty much using the higher up bodyguards of Shu to convince them to go along with the plan. Then she pretty much led them herself. In the end, it wasn't Yahiro using Shu, it was the whole school who used Shu, and then tossed him aside when they didn't need him anymore.

The thing is, if Arisa wasn't attacked by Inori, she wouldn't have been in the state she was in this episode, meaning that the probability of her becoming desperate and whoring herself out would have been less likely, which wouldnt have started the conversation with Yahiro, which wouldn't have led to him and Shu arguing and perhaps avoiding what did happen. So, in reality, it was pretty much Inori's fault for what happened this episode.

Wish there was more action, I didn't like the still shots of the students charging, couldn't they have just animated them running? Ah well, I did like the action with Shu and the scenes of students being killed.

Shinji103 · 2012-02-16, 14:01

So just about everybody betrays Shu because of one episode of him losing to the Dark Side, which only happened because one of his closest friends died in his arms? Wow, I feel like I want to be one of those bad guy guards and mow these idiot, jackass kids down with a machinegun. Maybe come in close and shotgun the ones I really don't like, like Arisa......

He should just take Inori and run off somewhere. These @$$hats obviously don't want his help, despite them having been saved by him before, so why the hell should he care what happens to them?

Of course, then that wouldn't make him the hero. I'd bet this turns out to be the shock treatment he needs to pull out of the Dark Side and go back to being Shu the Hero, and not Shu the Dark Hero from last episode. Get himself another power, put Gai in his place, and show those idiots how they tried to screw over the good guy.

By the way, maybe I didn't pay enough attention to some parts (I couldn't stand the revolt against Shu), but where did Ayase and Tsugumi stand on this? Did they betray him too?

**Klashikari** · 2012-02-16, 14:05

The major problem is that Shu, from students perspective, is nothing but a tyrant who use them like pawns.
They obviously don't know the full picture of the situation, and whilst being autoritarian was a problem they could cope sort of, the fact they learned the hard way that Voids destruction basically spell doom for them is the last straw.
This truth implies a major issue: Shu is literally "playing" with their lives, since he can potentially "shield" himself with someone's void.

Of course, that doesn't mean they would survive regardless if that was true or not. But both points are basically a huge blow for their trust towards Shu: assuming Shu was like before, they would potentially be worried but can see his "care" for them. Inversely, the tyrant side alone would be "enough" if it is to get out of there. Combining both issues regarding Shu's position? No way for them to trust him.

That said, the issue with the whole betrayal is: why after going through the wall?
If it was such a dominant problem for them to be toyed with, there would be no way for them to take part of the plan, since they would basically throw themselves to the very thing they were scared of: used as tools and dying for the tyrant's sake.
You would rather expect them to stop the plan before they could die like cannon fodder and use another way to go through (like capturing Shu after he unleashed their voids or forcing him to go first with Inori).

Evil_Sephiroth · 2012-02-16, 14:34

Eheheh Then Gai is now some sort of final Boss XD

Wanna see the epic duel when finally Gai die (really hate his character XD)

BTW The B-2 that are ready for Bombing Japan are another Trick against Gai and other?

They are in japan right NOW, then I can Think that Shuichiro use "BAD GAI" to neutralize Shu and plan to nuclearize both of them

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2012-02-16, 11:51	Link #2
Marina2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006	This is the most "WTF" Guilty Crown ep. for me... Spoiler for Ep.17: - Shuu is betrayed by (almost) everyone and lost his power. __________________

2012-02-16, 11:59	Link #3
Soji Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Europe	^............ Spoiler for O_______O: WTF...how the hell he lost his power.? can you explain more ,Inori as well betray him?

2012-02-16, 12:08	Link #4
LastOrder Om nom nom nom Artist Join Date: May 2008 Location: In a pinepple, under the sea Age: 32	I saw this coming a mile away. Spoiler for Episode 17: Once I saw Gai at the end of last episode, I knew Shu was done for. I knew there would be a rebellion sometime soon. This episode was glorious.

2012-02-16, 12:47	Link #9
nfsac Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Lineage 2 - Age: 32	Spoiler for Question about Shu: Shu lost his arm or it was just wounded by Gai to remove the power from him? My bet? Gui will kill almost all the students under the control of Suichirou and Haruka

2012-02-16, 13:06	Link #11
Flawfinder Loves the Experience Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Earth...hopefully	Okay, I'll just get this out of the way. Yes, Arisa turns into an unlikeable slut this episode. To be fair, the change isn't really unbelievable, but really, I don't like how the show did the change and the result in only one episode. Now let's get to what I thought of the episode. I don't know why the voids breaking is that much of a big deal, nor do I know why the characters have multiple personality disorder, but who cares? The show finally does what I wanted it to do...sort of. Take that Shu, you fucking piece of shit (apologies to people who like him)! I was thinking of rating this episode 6/10 because I wasn't enjoying it very much due to Guilty Crown's autopilot, episodic nature and bad characters, but that ending was just awesome. Plus, it sort of developed naturally, so I'll bump it up a point. And seriously, what was up with Arisa turning into a slut anyways? Edit: Oh and according to the episode preview, yes, Inori is still alive. And yes, Shu lost his arm permanently. I wasn't keen on Gai coming back (or a clone of his or something), but it was worth it for doing what he did to Shu. And yes, I know he used a void he grabbed from another kid to chop Shu's arm off. This show just might save itself yet! __________________ My Awesome Anime Blog: Standing On My Neck

2012-02-16, 13:07	Link #12
Marina2 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006	@Freeter ,@nfsac (I borrowed this picture from someone) http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...119/gc17-4.jpg __________________

2012-02-16, 13:39	Link #14
Lumir Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 37	If it was as easy as cutting his arm off Gai should have done that from the start. He literally just took "the kings power" without hesitation. And what a HOE the president is. Giving her body for information to start a coup that only ended up doing next to NOTHING. Gai is obviously some kind of zombified version of himself, probably that crystal stuff being controlled like a robot as we saw his eye was completely full of shards. Inori is slowly becoming shu's worst nightmare. They did say something about inori being a vessel or something for you know who. __________________

2012-02-16, 14:01	Link #17
DXMichael Psycho Falling Deep Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: The Anime World Age: 29	Wow, what an episode. Not sure about anyone else, but I definately felt something when I saw what happened to Shu. It's irony really. After everything he had become, everything he had built up, the leadership, the void power, becoming heartless and watching people die before him, it was those very things that he worked hard to gain that caused the rebellion and caused Shu to lose his arm and powers. The students were definately clueless. If not for Arisa and her...ways, they would never have pulled what they did to Shu off. The rumour that she started got them in a panicky mood, then she was pretty much using the higher up bodyguards of Shu to convince them to go along with the plan. Then she pretty much led them herself. In the end, it wasn't Yahiro using Shu, it was the whole school who used Shu, and then tossed him aside when they didn't need him anymore. The thing is, if Arisa wasn't attacked by Inori, she wouldn't have been in the state she was in this episode, meaning that the probability of her becoming desperate and whoring herself out would have been less likely, which wouldnt have started the conversation with Yahiro, which wouldn't have led to him and Shu arguing and perhaps avoiding what did happen. So, in reality, it was pretty much Inori's fault for what happened this episode. Wish there was more action, I didn't like the still shots of the students charging, couldn't they have just animated them running? Ah well, I did like the action with Shu and the scenes of students being killed. __________________

2012-02-16, 14:01	Link #18
Shinji103 Crazy Devout Fanboy Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks	So just about everybody betrays Shu because of one episode of him losing to the Dark Side, which only happened because one of his closest friends died in his arms? Wow, I feel like I want to be one of those bad guy guards and mow these idiot, jackass kids down with a machinegun. Maybe come in close and shotgun the ones I really don't like, like Arisa...... He should just take Inori and run off somewhere. These @$$hats obviously don't want his help, despite them having been saved by him before, so why the hell should he care what happens to them? Of course, then that wouldn't make him the hero. I'd bet this turns out to be the shock treatment he needs to pull out of the Dark Side and go back to being Shu the Hero, and not Shu the Dark Hero from last episode. Get himself another power, put Gai in his place, and show those idiots how they tried to screw over the good guy. By the way, maybe I didn't pay enough attention to some parts (I couldn't stand the revolt against Shu), but where did Ayase and Tsugumi stand on this? Did they betray him too? __________________

2012-02-16, 14:05	Link #19
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	The major problem is that Shu, from students perspective, is nothing but a tyrant who use them like pawns. They obviously don't know the full picture of the situation, and whilst being autoritarian was a problem they could cope sort of, the fact they learned the hard way that Voids destruction basically spell doom for them is the last straw. This truth implies a major issue: Shu is literally "playing" with their lives, since he can potentially "shield" himself with someone's void. Of course, that doesn't mean they would survive regardless if that was true or not. But both points are basically a huge blow for their trust towards Shu: assuming Shu was like before, they would potentially be worried but can see his "care" for them. Inversely, the tyrant side alone would be "enough" if it is to get out of there. Combining both issues regarding Shu's position? No way for them to trust him. That said, the issue with the whole betrayal is: why after going through the wall? If it was such a dominant problem for them to be toyed with, there would be no way for them to take part of the plan, since they would basically throw themselves to the very thing they were scared of: used as tools and dying for the tyrant's sake. You would rather expect them to stop the plan before they could die like cannon fodder and use another way to go through (like capturing Shu after he unleashed their voids or forcing him to go first with Inori). __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]

2012-02-16, 14:34	Link #20
Evil_Sephiroth Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Lavagna (GE) Age: 37	Eheheh Then Gai is now some sort of final Boss XD Wanna see the epic duel when finally Gai die (really hate his character XD) BTW The B-2 that are ready for Bombing Japan are another Trick against Gai and other? They are in japan right NOW, then I can Think that Shuichiro use "BAD GAI" to neutralize Shu and plan to nuclearize both of them __________________ "Though I Fly Through the Valley of Death, I Shall Fear No Evil. For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing."