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Old 2012-04-20, 11:00   Link #8081
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It wasn't doing too bad at the start.. obviously not as good as the Not Equals and Minus Arcs... but it seemed to really fall down the rankings in the second half. It just didn't "look" bad because so many color pages were inserted during this time.

Not Equals
Minus
Ajimu
Flask
Intro

Seems to be the right order for how the arcs were received in WSJ.
At introduction arcs, a lot of haters wanted the manga to fall hard so that get more Psyren again but we all know how that turned out.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:06   Link #8082
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No, the manga has been ranking horribly for the latest arc, worst since pre-Kumagawa....

Going down the livejournal WSJ rankings page...

2nd Last
3rd Last
Color Page for Anime
Color Page/Cover for Anime
8th Last
2nd Last
Color Page
7th last
Color Page
4th last
4th last
4th last
Color Page
5th last

The barrage of color page promotion to help promote the anime is just a mirage, it has been ranking horribly, especially compared to the arc prior to it. The manga is safe though, especially with the anime airing and Bakuman finishing up.. but Nisio would want to reverse this trend.. especially if the manga tanks don't lift... they have been static in growth for a long time now... though considering that the anime is looking like a non-factor...
Regarding the volume sales though, actually, I just recently caught something I thought was pretty interesting. Going off the first/second-week sales for the tankoubons I thought Medaka Box's volume sales have been static around 150,000-175,000 for a while now. However, figures released in conjunction with the announcement of the anime put Medaka Box's total sales at 3 million+, across (at the time of the announcement) a total 12 volumes. On average, then, it looks like Medaka Box's volume sales are now sitting at about 250,000 per volume. I think that's pretty respectable for right now, although Nishio is definitely trailing a lot of the other medium-range "hits" in Jump.

It's too bad that the anime really is currently looking so shitty that it won't even lead to a rise in volume sales...the sales of other Jump series which have gotten adaptations seem to practically double in general, by comparison. I do think it is basically down to Nishio improving the manga itself now for further growth of the series...honestly I think it could really use less shitty romance between Medaka and Zen.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:12   Link #8083
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It's too bad that the anime really is currently looking so shitty that it won't even lead to a rise in volume sales...the sales of other Jump series which have gotten adaptations seem to practically double in general, by comparison. I do think it is basically down to Nishio improving the manga itself now for further growth of the series...
Just how bad is the anime anyway? I haven't actually watched it...

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honestly I think it could really use less shitty romance between Medaka and Zen.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:15   Link #8084
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Just how bad is the anime anyway? I haven't actually watched it...


In comparison to romance with kumagawa that makes no sense? Rather the issue was spent most of the time was spent changing randomly in genre's and missed the fact that a reasonable decent fighting with the genre awareness was what made this good. Not random trolling upon trolling.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:16   Link #8085
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In comparison to romance with kumagawa that makes no sense?
Or cut the romance entirely, and show just who got together during an epilogue?
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:18   Link #8086
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Problem with that Sol is that a lot of those announcements are shipped figures instead of actually sold.. like when J.C Staff put out a release saying Hidan no Aria light novels sold like 4 million copies or some shit... yet you look @ the Oricon numbers for the week and vol 1 was @ 150k... didn't compute. Japanese video game companies nearly always talk in shipped numbers... don't see why the rest wouldn't be the same.

Also by static growth here's the example...

104k - Vol10
92k - Vol11
105k - Vol12
71k - Vol13
69k - Vol14
103k - Vol15

6 Volumes and the opening week sales are mostly the same... Vol 13+14 had a day less to sell than the rest for this comparison... but looking @ how weak the anime is... would be a miracle if it could push Vol 16 to 120k let alone anything over 150k...

Medaka Box really should be around the same as Kuroko.. but that kept growing.... and yeah agreed on your last point Sol..
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:19   Link #8087
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Or cut the romance entirely, and show just who got together during an epilogue?
I normally would agree with this, but this started out with Romance being the major marketed point was the most consistent thing amongst all the random genre changes and other crap. It makes more sense to make it less important and stil their than remove it entirely.

Anyway, TBF Medaka Box is one of the more random, Shounen Jump stories and really at this point is lacking much of a plot, going by Nisio's current routes he's taking with the story, there was a chance this was never going to become particularily popular.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:23   Link #8088
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I normally would agree with this, but this started out with Romance being the major marketed point was the most consistent thing amongst all the random genre changes and other crap. It makes more sense to make it less important and stil their than remove it entirely.
The major marketed point of a manga that was close to being canceled? Besides why push a romance when people can't stand one side of the relationship? English forums, Medaka, WSJ otoh (and more importantly) Zen. (I can't remember ever seeing a male "lead" of a Jump mag rank so low in a character poll as he did in CP#2, they should be locks for Top 2, 3 at worst.)
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:26   Link #8089
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Nishio is trying to do something new an innovative with the whole genre switching and 4 wall breaking and all that jazz. In theory it is an awesome idea, however when put into practice and against all those other great series, it kind of ends up lacking.

I find the style of the manga entertaining (and I'd love more Medaka and Zen) but it is clear that people generally like to stick to the good old standard style of manga (nothing wrong with it, Medaka Box's style was a long shot the moment it started switching from a school life comedy to a full on battle and beyond). You know a manga's style and story is weak when only a truly epic character or two are capable of bringing it up in rank.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:27   Link #8090
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The anime isn't really bad, aside from the animation being fairly simple and a lot of the voice acting feeling somewhat awkward. It's moreso the fact that they're doing a straight up, panel by panel, 2-chapter per episode adaptation in combination with a limited run of only 12 episodes. I would've been extremely happy with a steady 2-chapters/episode pacing if they were actually adapting a good part of the series...the longer the episode run the better, to wash away the taste of the crappy opening arc. But since they're only animating the most terrible part of the series, this mediocre, uninspired "faithful" adaptation is practically the worst possible strategy.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:30   Link #8091
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The anime isn't really bad, aside from the animation being fairly simple and a lot of the voice acting feeling somewhat awkward. It's moreso the fact that they're doing a straight up, panel by panel, 2-chapter per episode adaptation in combination with a limited run of only 12 episodes. I would've been extremely happy with a steady 2-chapters/episode pacing if they were actually adapting a good part of the series...the longer the episode run the better, to wash away the taste of the crappy opening arc. But since they're only animating the most terrible part of the series, this mediocre, uninspired "faithful" adaptation is practically the worst possible strategy.
Exactly... if there was ever a time for a studio to go out on a limb.... but I knew that this was going to be a safe adaption.. because after KHARA and than TRIGGER all the talent in GAINAX is gone and they were always going to do a straight adaption without even figuring out why Medaka Box was popular in the first place.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:31   Link #8092
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The major marketed point of a manga that was close to being canceled? Besides why push a romance when people can't stand one side of the relationship? English forums, Medaka, WSJ otoh (and more importantly) Zen. (I can't remember ever seeing a male "lead" of a Jump mag rank so low in a character poll as he did in CP#2)
It's called consistency it's like asking for a main character change when there's another character that's clearly more popular than them, it breaks up the narrative structure and degrades closer to simple fanservice.

I've actually seen loads do that and tbf at the point of that poll Zen was being treated little more than a side character, he had barely had any importance in the current plot. It's not surprising he wasn't particularily popular then.

The anime really should have done at least the flask plan arc at all costs. It being the more standard shounen fair and was reasonably popular even if not by all that much. Doing the first arc was pretty much sending it to die.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:37   Link #8093
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It's called consistency it's like asking for a main character change when there's another character that's clearly more popular than them, it breaks up the narrative structure and degrades closer to simple fanservice.

I've actually seen loads do that and tbf at the point of that poll Zen was being treated little more than a side character, he had barely had any importance in the current plot. It's not surprising he wasn't particularily popular then.
The first poll was done when Zen still had a prominent roll in the manga and he ended in second place.

The second however was done, like Tenchi said, around the time the middle schoolers showed up I believe, where he had a very minor roll in. That and the fact that Kumagawa sucked in most of the votes from everyone else, makes 8th place not really that bad for him.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:37   Link #8094
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I've actually seen loads do that and tbf at the point of that poll Zen was being treated little more than a side character, he had barely had any importance in the current plot. It's not surprising he wasn't particularily popular then.
Provide examples than, loads of them.

As for your "excuse", explain this too.

1st Poll

Zen - 554
Munakata - 323

2nd Poll

Zen - 672
Munakata - 807

You can say Zen was treated like a side character and barely had any importance in that arc even though it's flat out untrue.. but Kei wasn't even in that arc period and had a near 500 jump in votes.

EDIT - A lot of these votes would've been based off the MINUS ARC, not the NotEquals arc, think of the timeframe and don't forget that TOC votes themselves are 8 weeks back.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:42   Link #8095
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Provide examples than, loads of them.

As for your "excuse", explain this too.

1st Poll

Zen - 554
Munakata - 323

2nd Poll

Zen - 672
Munakata - 807

You can say Zen was treating like a side character and barely had any importance in that arc even though it's flat out untrue.. but Kei wasn't even in that arc period and had a near 500 jump in votes.
Your missing the point, it wasn't simply that Zen wasn't in that arc, his importance in the story as whole was being pretty much remove, causing people who may have been his fans to jump ship. Combined with the fact that Medaka Box as a whole had become a lot more popular meaning a greater pool of votes meant he was pretty much being left to die. Hell Even I at that point was wondering whether Zen would remain little more than a side character from then on.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:45   Link #8096
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Your missing the point, it wasn't simply that Zen wasn't in that arc, his importance in the story as whole was being pretty much remove, causing people who may have been his fans to jump ship. Combined with the fact that Medaka Box as a whole had become a lot more popular meaning a greater pool of votes meant he was pretty much being left to die. Hell Even I at that point was wondering whether Zen would remain little more than a side character from then on.
So Zen fans equal bandwagon fans? Nice to know! Also where's the loads of examples you had of male jump leads doing horrible in character polls, considering I've never seen one outside the top 3 before I'm actually curious to see these.
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Old 2012-04-20, 11:59   Link #8097
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So Zen fans equal bandwagon fans? Nice to know! Also where's the loads of examples you had of male jump leads doing horrible in character polls, considering I've never seen one outside the top 3 before I'm actually curious to see these.
Some Zen fans in Japan yes and lets be honest Zen is one of the most popular characters in the west around the same as Kumagawa as far as I can gather, too bad western fans count for shit.

Anyway first that comes to mind is Nura, the human half definately didn't make top 4 and I have no idea where he actually ranked but I'm pretty sure it was bad. There's a few others.
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Old 2012-04-20, 12:03   Link #8098
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It's called consistency it's like asking for a main character change when there's another character that's clearly more popular than them, it breaks up the narrative structure and degrades closer to simple fanservice.

I've actually seen loads do that and tbf at the point of that poll Zen was being treated little more than a side character, he had barely had any importance in the current plot. It's not surprising he wasn't particularily popular then.

The anime really should have done at least the flask plan arc at all costs. It being the more standard shounen fair and was reasonably popular even if not by all that much. Doing the first arc was pretty much sending it to die.
lol, I think Kumagawa NTRing Zen for Medaka would actually be extremely consistent within the narrative of the Medaka Box universe...but it remains to be seen whether Nishio has the balls to ever go that far. The main point however is that the supposed "romance" between Medaka and Zenkichi is extremely vanilla, basic, and boring. Because of the inherent difference in level between Zenkichi and Medaka's abilities, all the romance can ever boil down to is basically "I work extremely hard for your sake" + "I really appreciate how hard you work for me". And that is just completely generic/uninteresting and I don't think could ever turn Medaka Box into a popular series.

Regarding Zenkichi's popularity rising due to his recent focus in the story...this may or may not be true. However, looking at the Medaka Box's performance in the ToC rankings from the end of the Treasure Hunt/Clock Tower segment, it seems like the actual content of the story during that part of the manga wasn't very popular. Regardless of whether Zenkichi actually gained any fans back due to his recent focus in the story, I think it's at least clear that the focus/content of that story--Zenkichi pursuing his love for Medaka--isn't very popular.
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Old 2012-04-20, 12:09   Link #8099
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lol, I think Kumagawa NTRing Zen for Medaka would actually be extremely consistent within the narrative of the Medaka Box universe...but it remains to be seen whether Nishio has the balls to ever go that far. The main point however is that the supposed "romance" between Medaka and Zenkichi is extremely vanilla, basic, and boring. Because of the inherent difference in level between Zenkichi and Medaka's abilities, all the romance can ever boil down to is basically "I work extremely hard for your sake" + "I really appreciate how hard you work for me". And that is just completely generic/uninteresting and I don't think could ever turn Medaka Box into a popular series.
Medaka HATED Kumagawa until the end of the minus 13 arc, even then after that she kept him around as part of her helping humanity experiment, and showed little more affection to him than Akune until that casual marriage remark. Consistent that AIN'T. Especially considering Kumagawa was more than willing to kill everyone she ever cared about or at least cripple them to a ridiculous degree that they may as well be dead and didn't repent at all.

Such consistent writing that would be.
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Medaka HATED Kumagawa until the end of the minus 13 arc, even then after that she kept him around as part of her helping humanity experiment, and showed little more affection to him than Akune until that casual marriage remark. Consistent that AIN'T. Especially considering Kumagawa was more than willing to kill everyone she ever cared about or at least cripple them to a ridiculous degree that they may as well be dead and didn't repent at all.

Such consistent writing that would be.
You really don't like Kumagawa all that much, do you?
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