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Perfect 10 | 132 | 80.98% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 20 | 12.27% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 8 | 4.91% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 1.23% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.61% | |
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2011-09-07, 15:01 | Link #123 |
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does anyone have the new OP lyrics at hand?
summary of one thing that bugs me in the consistency in the story as we know it for now: 1. Okabe of the Future Time fools (one time is enough) Okabe of the Present Time to justify OFT existence without causing a worldline switch, thus the time machine (and S;G worldline theory) existence 2. OPrT fools Okabe Of the Past Time without causing a worldine switch, to preserve him texting the to-be-detected-by-SERN message, justifying the esistence in OPrT awareness of the SERN worldlines (and therefore, the attempt to save Kurisu, the guilt, and ultimately the existence of OFT (again). rules 1 and 2 seem to be compatible, till now. OPrT derives from OPastT, OFT derives from the current OPrT . Now. if OPrT actually saves Kurisu without Okabe of Past TIme being aware, and travels back to a "safe" point in the future, we have two Okabes - and two incompatible futures, if we believe that given a past and a fixed Okarin awareness, the resulting future is exactly one, if no worldline awareness shift happens. Otherwise said: OPaT begets the NowObsolete Okabe of the Present Time that should have beget Okabe of the WW3 Future. This was consistent IFF OKabe of the WW3 Future doesn't try to push OPrT to secretly save Kurisu. If OPrT after saving Kurisu is aware to have succeeded. then OPrT CANNOT produce Okabe of the WW3 Future anymore, therefore saving Kurisu is not possible anymore. thus we have an inconsistency. I think that this thing doesn't make sense without any of the following happens (or similarly conceived ideas): "brain turned off" class: i. "magic" finale: the two futures collapse in one where everyone's happy, nobody knows why. ii. "deus ex machina" finale: same as above but justified by love/ pagan deity/attractor field unexplained effect "brain half-turned on" class: iii. Okabe after saving Kurisu believes to have failed, again, for N years; thus Okabe creates the time machine and loops back again and again and again and again to save her. this void the current awareness we are having about the eventsi, but indeed create a stable loop. maybe we are already seeing it and future Okabe is lying (no WW3 and stuff really happened). iv. same as above, but he's aware of the success. together the two have a kid or two and a time machine, too. Kurisu is behind the camera in the white-noise video from the future (and she's smiling at the congroo thing). v. initially unaware, then aware and continues as in iv. "it shouldn't work" class, but actually may: vi. Present or Past Okabe die shortly. If this happen, the event chain is broken and thus you saw a non-existing tale. Oops, it was an anime, anyway. But through fantasy, this could work in the sense of generating a timeline where Okabe sacrificed himself but Kurisu lives. I just can't wrap around the "two Okabes, two Futures, but no worldline shift" idea. Something, some sudden plot turn, seems missing. If one has to interpret the old OP lyrics, one would think about iii. or vi. Me, I hope in v., for the best dramatic effect. |
2011-09-07, 16:03 | Link #125 | |
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@wxyz Do we know that there is no world line switch? I was thinking that the failed first attempt was only necessary to create enough despair in Okabe to cause him to figure out how he needs to get into Steins;Gate. Once he goes through that he discovers how to enter Steins Gate and sends the d-mail to his past self. Now at this point I think that the Okabe from 15 years in the future feels his reading steiner activate after sending the d-mail as that d-mail causes him to (presumably) jump from the WWIII timeline to the steins gate timeline. The reason for the trickery is to ensure that the d-mail gets sent. Once that d-mail is sent all bets are off.
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2011-09-07, 19:05 | Link #126 |
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I was under the impression that 2025 Okabe was a result of the Beta timeline never changing after Kurisu's death, in that he either gave up or didn't react quickly enough and WWIII was ignited before he could do anything. He clearly states that saving Kurisu and destroying her paper will shift the world lines to the Steins Gate world line, which means the current 2025 Okabe would... well, not cease to exist, but exist in a different world line.
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2011-09-07, 19:27 | Link #127 |
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Had to laugh at this email address, looks like it's short hand for Steins;Gate-El Pys Congoro @John Titor something (initially I thought 93 was short for 1993, the year he was born, but if he turned 18 in 2010 then he must've been born in 1992 instead).
Everyone else seems to have covered what I would've said except that I am fully in love with the music for this show now and I really love how they've been changing up the OP and ED for the past few episodes.
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2011-09-07, 19:47 | Link #128 | |
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They didn't have it before the change but the thing is, it's things they all really wanted with their lives. Feyris with her father, Ruka with becoming a girl. They may not have had it before, but they got a chance to live it and then it was taken back again. It's like this. There's a delicious cake that you want to eat. It's impossible, but then someone gives you a taste of it. You'll want more of it as you enjoyed it, but then they take it away and then it's unreachable again. The effects on people emotionally would be horrible. |
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2011-09-07, 21:28 | Link #129 | |
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What saved kurisu was the fact that her fathers conference didnt happen because the building was closed off due to suzuha's time machine crashing into the building, simple as pie really. As for getting back to the original Beta timeline, they deleted all data relating to Daru receiving messages relating to Kurisu being stabbed from the sern data base, which in turn prevented Sern from taking action against the Lab members and ultimately prevented Sern from ever creating a time Machine and giving them the power to create the big brother Dystopia future. Just to add a bit more, in the Beta timeline, the people who first get ahold of the time travel data are Russia and not Sern, which ultimately ended up starting the arms race that results in WW3. |
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2011-09-07, 22:09 | Link #131 | |
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2011-09-07, 22:33 | Link #132 |
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Suzuha with her hair up is just
I lost some enthusiasm for SG in the second half and wasn't sure why, but after watching this episode I think I know. I missed the goofy, ridiculous, optimistic Okabe of the first half of the show. The end of this episode, where that Okabe returned, was fantastic. Can't wait for the finale. |
2011-09-08, 01:33 | Link #134 | |
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2011-09-08, 01:49 | Link #135 |
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Different history on a micro/individual level, but not on a macro/world level. There are things which are simply inconsequential which aren't fixed and/or affect by the Attraction Field because it isn't deemed important enough, and "how" one does things in most case falls under the "not affected" category. Here how Kurisu came to the discovery of time machine is inconsequential, rather the result that she was the one that invented it is. So you can also think of it as traveling between two points via different paths. The path taken might and can be different but what's important is the end result and not the path.
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2011-09-08, 02:32 | Link #136 | |
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2011-09-08, 06:12 | Link #137 | |
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Also you can't think of time as past/present/future and that one leads chronically to other, that is only true to the observer at that particular instant (the quirks of Quantum Mechanics at work here).
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2011-09-08, 08:22 | Link #138 |
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It's the second verse of the original full version, which has been out for a while.
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In addition, there were slight differences in some of the animation: 0:23 - Okabe's walking copies doubles back on itself, 0:28 - Then the turning of his head glitches. 1:04 - All the characters get a short focus during Kurisu's duplication. Particularly the 1:04 change felt very powerful to me. Were there any changes that I missed?
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