(L) Tsujo Kogeki ga Zentai Kogeki de Ni-kai Kogeki no Okasan wa Suki desu ka?

[sparhawk1610]

Originally Posted by AB079

^ you missed the second one btw.

Ohh yeah, you are right But sailor uniform FTW !
Do you know by any chance who is that blue hair girl from the first picture?

[AB079]

Originally Posted by sparhawk1610

Ohh yeah, you are right But sailor uniform FTW !
Do you know by any chance who is that blue hair girl from the first picture?

Medhi the new girl, the other one at the side of SailorMamako is her mother.

[sparhawk1610]

Originally Posted by AB079

Medhi the new girl, the other one at the side of SailorMamako is her mother.

Nice, Medhi looks cute. I hope that we will able read it soon.

[Tenzen12]

Actually I think Wise is cuter than Mamako. She is nowhere close when it come to sexiness, but she is can still get there.

New girl doesn't appeal me much though, she feel either like too kuudere or too crazy candy seller.

[Elestia]

Originally Posted by AB079

Did you read ch 3? beacause the last half of that chapter started to show something not pleasant and that's how an overprotective mother can be a pain in the ass for her son, making difficult to deal with.

Even the last scene is showing those topics of a mother-son relationship.

EDIT: that was for Elestia.

What part are you specifically referring to? The slime scenes? Or are you talking about the Mamako cosplay? Because I didn't find anything "unpleasant" about them.

The last scene was really short, but a step in the right direction. I was hoping it wouldn't be only 600 ish words long, since there is a really interesting premise to Mamako and Masato's relation the author could expand upon, but it's completely dwarfed by the amount of slapstick/fanservice hijinks between Wise and Mamako that loses my interest when I was reading the chapter. I honestly would find it better if the author manages to flesh out both characters from their archetypes soon.

[AB079]

Originally Posted by Elestia

What part are you specifically referring to? The slime scenes? Or are you talking about the Mamako cosplay? Because I didn't find anything "unpleasant" about them.

Neither of those, I'm talking about the scenes after that where Masato started to feel some kind of weird mood having Mamako taking all the desitions for him, which ended on the last part of chapter 3 where he literally blew up and said what he really thinks as last resort, and even after that nothing improved at all because he's still frustrated thanks to Mamako's behavior. Wise is involved in that too, since she understood the situation and pushed Masato to end the discussion that can go further than that and make some damage to their relationship.

After these 3 chapters we can see how the LN is indeed touching the problems between a mother and son relationship, I mean we all usually have those problems when we were kids on one way or another. Also is just volume 1, there is room for improvement but for now Okaa-san is quite good.

Originally Posted by Elestia

The last scene was really short, but a step in the right direction. I was hoping it wouldn't be only 600 ish words long, since there is a really interesting premise to Mamako and Masato's relation the author could expand upon, but it's completely dwarfed by the amount of slapstick/fanservice hijinks between Wise and Mamako that loses my interest when I was reading the chapter. I honestly would find it better if the author manages to flesh out both characters from their archetypes soon.

The first sentence here is precisely what happened, but you have to keep in mind that this LN is mainly a comedy and as I mentioned before, judging the LN based on 3 chapters or 1 volume isn't fair at all. Let's see what happens after 2-3 volumes, at that point is where the problems with the story really shows up on any LN out there.

Personally I enjoy the jokes and the chemistry between the characters, that's being managed in a very good way and the last part of chapter 3 was a pleasant surprise for me.

[Elestia]

Originally Posted by AB079

Neither of those, I'm talking about the scenes after that where Masato started to feel some kind of weird mood having Mamako taking all the desitions for him, which ended on the last part of chapter 3 where he literally blew up and said what he really thinks as last resort, and even after that nothing improved at all because he's still frustrated thanks to Mamako's behavior. Wise is involved in that too, since she understood the situation and pushed Masato to end the discussion that can go further than that and make some damage to their relationship.

After these 3 chapters we can see how the LN is indeed touching the problems between a mother and son relationship, I mean we all usually have those problems when we were kids on one way or another. Also is just volume 1, there is room for improvement but for now Okaa-san is quite good.

I had considered it but these kind of scenario or trope plays out a lot comedies so it is quite hard to tell if it is supposed to be taken seriously or not which I think is kind of the problem with the writing. It causes some dissonance which kind of dampers my enjoyment of the story.

For example when Masato is constantly being abused for the sake of the comedy, whether intentionally by Wise or unintentionally by Mamako. Are we suppose to treat it as a joke, or is it serious? It's kind of ambiguous and reminds me a lot of the problems I had with the humor in Your Lie In April. Funny. Not Funny

The first sentence here is precisely what happened, but you have to keep in mind that this LN is mainly a comedy and as I mentioned before, judging the LN based on 3 chapters or 1 volume isn't fair at all. Let's see what happens after 2-3 volumes, at that point is where the problems with the story really shows up on any LN out there.

I haven't judged anything. I just think the 2nd and 3rd chapters were a bit disappointing.

Personally I enjoy the jokes and the chemistry between the characters, that's being managed in a very good way and the last part of chapter 3 was a pleasant surprise for me.

I feel the opposite, while I don't downright hate it I find it kind of dull as much of the interactions revolve around emasculating Masato, whether by Wise physically or verbally abusing him, or by Mamako treating Masato like some helpless child.

[KnightShade]

Mom's being over-doting and unintentional emasculating/abuse are two different ballparks. All i'm gonna say.

[AB079]

Originally Posted by kidstandout

Mom's being over-doting and unintentional emasculating/abuse are two different ballparks. All i'm gonna say.

Actually she's really bad at reading what's happening, kind of dumb if we have to call that behavior in a way. Mamako is just an over-protective mother that is too excited for what's happening but don't think about the consequences, like on ch 3.

@Elestia I think the problem is more related to the way you appreciate the story, I'm not saying is wrong because you just don't like it and everyone has the right to like or dislike things. You presented your argument and I respect that.

The only problem is how you're taking a position too harsh on Mamako, she's trying to do things right but in the end she fails sometimes. After all Mamako and Masato entered to this game to fix their relationship, is a growing relationship and at least they're being more clear with their feelings.

[KnightShade]

^I'm actually agreeing with you here, what i meant is that i don't agree with what Elestia is equating mamako's behavior to.

[Elestia]

Originally Posted by kidstandout

Mom's being over-doting and unintentional emasculating/abuse are two different ballparks. All i'm gonna say.

Isn't that just the cause and effect of her actions?

Originally Posted by AB079

Actually she's really bad at reading what's happening, kind of dumb if we have to call that behavior in a way. Mamako is just an over-protective mother that is too excited for what's happening but don't think about the consequences, like on ch 3.

Agreed. She wants to be closer with her son, but she has no idea how to do it other than "let's go on an adventure together". She does it with the best intentions, but the road to hell are paved with such intentions.

@Elestia I think the problem is more related to the way you appreciate the story, I'm not saying is wrong because you just don't like it and everyone has the right to like or dislike things. You presented your argument and I respect that.

That's fine. I'll continue to read and comment like I have been doing. If you'd like to continue discussing or debating about it, feel free.

The only problem is how you're taking a position too harsh on Mamako, she's trying to do things right but in the end she fails sometimes. After all Mamako and Masato entered to this game to fix their relationship, is a growing relationship and at least they're being more clear with their feelings.

While I do agree she really tries to do the right things, it's plainly not the correct way to go about it since their relationship at the moment is way too one-sided. Everything seems to be tailored by Shirase for Mamako's sake and with her ongoing support, Masato is essentially being driven to into a corner.

[Tenzen12]

If there is one thing Mamako can't be blamed for, it's completely screwed balance of game mechanics. She is wrong, but it same time whole game is pushing her in it.

Which is not actually bad thing. While at the moment I don't expect it to be intentional I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with Masato being driven into corner. If these two are ever improve their relationship he have to exert himself and set the rules. Which he now that he is cornered is much more inclined to do.

[KnightShade]

@elestia, only if you subscribe to some warped sense of masculinity. and no, whining about mom hogging the spotlight is a farcry from mental abuse.

mamakos actions counter her goal of getting closer to masato, she's hurting herself more really.

Wise i can understand tho.

[AB079]

WHAT. THE. HELL.

http://game.nicovideo.jp/atsumaru/games/gm2834

[KnightShade]

^subs when?!!!

[Elestia]

Originally Posted by kidstandout

@elestia, only if you subscribe to some warped sense of masculinity. and no, whining about mom hogging the spotlight is a farcry from mental abuse.

mamakos actions counter her goal of getting closer to masato, she's hurting herself more really.

Wise i can understand tho.

When I use the word emasculate, I don't mean it in the masculine sense. I'm using it as term to describe situations where agency or a lack of control over one's decision making is superseded. Being unable to let one's child to make their own decisions, for better or for worse, and having a parent do it for them is a much more serious problem than you think.

It's why being overprotective or overdoting can lead to a negative growth in Masato and Mamako's relationship.

[AB079]

Why is this LN getting so much attention?

Spoiler for news:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/04/20/ai-kayano-pampers-listeners-in-light-novel-voice-campaign

[KnightShade]

Originally Posted by Elestia

When I use the word emasculate, I don't mean it in the masculine sense. I'm using it as term to describe situations where agency or a lack of control over one's decision making is superseded. Being unable to let one's child to make their own decisions, for better or for worse, and having a parent do it for them is a much more serious problem than you think.

It's why being overprotective or overdoting can lead to a negative growth in Masato and Mamako's relationship.

You would have a point if this werent a fundamentally broken gameworld that favors mom players. Masato is misappropiating the games problems to his mom and your essentially doing the same as tenzen pointed out earlier. Irl he is not in a situation where he is forced to rely on her overdoting ways.

On a different note, im not expecting full wincest but please god let this not go the wise route. This tsundere act is painfully generic

[Gundam Meister]

Originally Posted by AB079

Why is this LN getting so much attention?

Spoiler for news:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/04/20/ai-kayano-pampers-listeners-in-light-novel-voice-campaign

As a Light Novel series ever receive this from the publisher with only two volume at this rate i would not be surprise with an anime adaptation announcement in 2018

[Elestia]

Originally Posted by kidstandout

You would have a point if this werent a fundamentally broken gameworld that favors mom players. Masato is misappropiating the games problems to his mom and your essentially doing the same as tenzen pointed out earlier. Irl he is not in a situation where he is forced to rely on her overdoting ways.

On a different note, im not expecting full wincest but please god let this not go the wise route. This tsundere act is painfully generic

Yes, it favors her to an unfair degree, but she is the one who decides in the end whether or not to abuse it. She takes both swords only because she believes that Masato would be genuinely happy. She decides who joins his party because she believes, as a mother, it is her duty to approve which girl he should grow intimate with. She decides to use the Terra Sword, twice in fact, to break up Masato from getting too close with Wise. Are you saying that these kinds of decisions she makes should be blamed on the system instead?