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Justin_Brett · 2011-12-31, 23:32

I think I'll just say the circumstances are a little bit different between each of those people and leave it at that. Don't want to start anything over a fictional work that's set in a completely different universe.

And okay, he's nice. But what else? I'd bet dollars to donuts he's going to end up on their time at some point, and if they use that as the sole reason, I'm going to have to call bullshit. Niceness has a limit, even in this series.

00-Raiser · 2012-01-01, 00:19

There's also value in getting a complete picture of the other party. Being with them is the best way to get that rather than relying on what some one tells him.

rxrx · 2012-01-01, 04:27

Well, if it comes to the corrupted officers of the TSAB and the company that invented the virus wants to kill the Huke to keep things down and manipulate the Special Task Force Six to do the dirty work, then Touma might switch sides to repay the favor. It has nothing to do with what people thing right or wrong but just what they feel is right. More like honor before reason and he is thinking about the relationship in the fictional Yakuza terms.

Keroko · 2012-01-01, 07:08

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

And okay, he's nice. But what else? I'd bet dollars to donuts he's going to end up on their time at some point, and if they use that as the sole reason, I'm going to have to call bullshit. Niceness has a limit, even in this series.

If he's going to end up on their side and start killing innocent people, then yes I'm calling bullshit as well. But frankly, I don't see that as a possibility at this stage. It might have been if he hadn't been saved by the TSAB, but now that's not really an option anymore.

At most I see him going to them not to join their cause, but to try and save them. To make them see that what they're doing is not the only way, and that there are other paths as well.

Skane · 2012-01-01, 07:48

All this talk reminds me of the rampant hate for Suzaku in Code Geass. "We can change them from the inside!", as Britainains gun down civilians in the background. Dude wasn't right in the head...

Heh.

00-Raiser · 2012-01-01, 07:57

It's sillier in Suzaku's case (at first) because he was just some no name 11 soldier. Thoma at least has the powerful zero divider whose power is recognised by the rest of the Huckbein.

Nanya01 · 2012-01-01, 09:10

And people wonder why I hate this thread so much.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-01, 13:29

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Originally Posted by Justin_Brett

And okay, he's nice. But what else? I'd bet dollars to donuts he's going to end up on their time at some point, and if they use that as the sole reason, I'm going to have to call bullshit. Niceness has a limit, even in this series.

To be fair "niceness" in this franchise have quite an ample limit. Nanoha's breaking point was kidnapping her daughter, Tohma hasn't reached that point yet with the Hucks. Some of us were soulcrushed by what happened to Signum and Hayate but by that point both were nobodys to Tohma, two TSAB employees at best. And the Huckebein didn't do anything specially bad to Isis and Lily(aside of striping them naked but Thoma never knew about that), they even bring the girls with them practically unharmed as means to convince Tohma that they don't have a beef with him.

The moment Tohma's nice behavior will be tested is when someone finally do something considerably bad to someone actually important to him. Be Subaru, Lily or even one of the Huckebein themselves.

Justin_Brett · 2012-01-01, 15:26

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There's also value in getting a complete picture of the other party. Being with them is the best way to get that rather than relying on what some one tells him.

Maybe, but I think he's made up his mind on them already, pretty much.

00-Raiser · 2012-01-01, 17:40

Then why are you worried he'll join them when he's already chosen his Bureau friends over them?

Justin_Brett · 2012-01-02, 00:57

Well, unless they feel like dropping another plot thread, he will, since it's meant to be a big part of his story, other than the whole revenge thing which is on hold until whoever did it pops up.

It's why I think having him know everyone for so long was a bad idea here. It sort of kills the tension of who he'll go with ultimately. And to have him get to know the Hucks they have to jump through hoops like this.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-02, 01:12

^ Not necessarily, while it's indeed a bit jarring that he already knows all the freaking main cast that not change the fact that he's an influentiable teenager who also feels curiosity about the Huckebein family. His situation with the Eclipse makes him open minded enought to allow himself the chance of giving them the benefit of the doubt which is part of tha main gross of the story.

Probably Curren thinks that Tohma is relatively safer in the hands of the TSAB than wandering around by himself and in danger of facing Vandin Corp. so it's a good idea take Section Six take care of him for a time and they also are making her the favour of training him. Those are reasons good enough to play along with Hayate for a time to keep S6's out of trouble and allow Tohma the chance to grow a bit. Also she sents her messages from tiem to time to annoy Hayate and at the same time mantain her connection with Tohma so he didn't forget about the curiosity/sense of belonging he feels towards the Huckebein.

Of course that's kind of a risky bet as most of the further developement of the interactions between Section Six and The Huckebein will be determined by Tohma's descicions.

Of course that don't change the fact that Curren is clearly a smart business woman who likes to test and play with the emotions of people, she can be passive or agressive in her descicions/risks she takes as the situation demands.

Koveras Alvane · 2012-01-02, 01:42

No Force in December?

WarpObscura · 2012-01-02, 03:38

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Eh, that's an exaggeration. It wouldn't have been as noticeable if not for Hayate hadn't gotten over the same thing in As much quicker.

Someone could read it the other way, that Hayate got over it too fast and Thoma's normal.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-02, 03:44

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No Force in December?

I've heard that Yukari Tamura is too busy with designs for The MOVIE 2nd and other projects so yeah, no Force this month xDU.

That actually makes sense and answers the question about why the art for posters of the movie is suspiciously similar to the used on Force manga covers xDU.

00-Raiser · 2012-01-02, 04:32

Nanoha's VA does not draw Force

But none of the Movie 2nd art released thus far is drawn by Yukari Higa.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-02, 04:36

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Nanoha's VA does not draw Force

But none of the Movie 2nd art released thus far is drawn by Yukari Higa.

Well, that's what i've heard, still one can't deny that the poster of the Movie 2nd have resemblances with Higa's art xD

Keroko · 2012-01-02, 06:45

And thus we once more face Force's biggest flaw: Its damnably long release schedule that leaves us stewing month after month.

Akiyoshi · 2012-01-02, 06:49

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And thus we once more face Force's biggest flaw: Its damnably long release schedule that leaves us stewing month after month.

To be fair, this time new Force material is still coming out in the form of the Force-related Sound Stage for The MOVIE 2nd. It's surprisingly well tuned with the current season and even give us some interesting stuff about some current stuff like more data about the Book of the Silver Cross among other stuff.

rxrx · 2012-01-02, 07:03

The sound stage for Force is something like bonding of Touma and the Wolken actually. the latter are commenting on how alike they are in meeting their respective factor that change their life, Touma with Lily and the Bible while the knights meet Hayate. In general, they ask him if he had thought of how life would be if he had not meet the Bible and Lily, and the guy replies that he might eventually accept the adoption into the Nakajima Family though some part of him will still linger in finding out the truth of the destruction of his village. While he went through much crap, he do not regret the meeting as he meet people around and likes life the way it is.

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	I think I'll just say the circumstances are a little bit different between each of those people and leave it at that. Don't want to start anything over a fictional work that's set in a completely different universe. And okay, he's nice. But what else? I'd bet dollars to donuts he's going to end up on their time at some point, and if they use that as the sole reason, I'm going to have to call bullshit. Niceness has a limit, even in this series.

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rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Well, if it comes to the corrupted officers of the TSAB and the company that invented the virus wants to kill the Huke to keep things down and manipulate the Special Task Force Six to do the dirty work, then Touma might switch sides to repay the favor. It has nothing to do with what people thing right or wrong but just what they feel is right. More like honor before reason and he is thinking about the relationship in the fictional Yakuza terms.

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Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Well, unless they feel like dropping another plot thread, he will, since it's meant to be a big part of his story, other than the whole revenge thing which is on hold until whoever did it pops up. It's why I think having him know everyone for so long was a bad idea here. It sort of kills the tension of who he'll go with ultimately. And to have him get to know the Hucks they have to jump through hoops like this.

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Akiyoshi The Flame Crussader Join Date: Aug 2009	^ Not necessarily, while it's indeed a bit jarring that he already knows all the freaking main cast that not change the fact that he's an influentiable teenager who also feels curiosity about the Huckebein family. His situation with the Eclipse makes him open minded enought to allow himself the chance of giving them the benefit of the doubt which is part of tha main gross of the story. Probably Curren thinks that Tohma is relatively safer in the hands of the TSAB than wandering around by himself and in danger of facing Vandin Corp. so it's a good idea take Section Six take care of him for a time and they also are making her the favour of training him. Those are reasons good enough to play along with Hayate for a time to keep S6's out of trouble and allow Tohma the chance to grow a bit. Also she sents her messages from tiem to time to annoy Hayate and at the same time mantain her connection with Tohma so he didn't forget about the curiosity/sense of belonging he feels towards the Huckebein. Of course that's kind of a risky bet as most of the further developement of the interactions between Section Six and The Huckebein will be determined by Tohma's descicions. Of course that don't change the fact that Curren is clearly a smart business woman who likes to test and play with the emotions of people, she can be passive or agressive in her descicions/risks she takes as the situation demands. __________________ May 29 2010-2019 ...9 years ago, the day after never would be the same ~The ASFB~ Last edited by Akiyoshi; 2012-01-02 at 01:43.

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rxrx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	The sound stage for Force is something like bonding of Touma and the Wolken actually. the latter are commenting on how alike they are in meeting their respective factor that change their life, Touma with Lily and the Bible while the knights meet Hayate. In general, they ask him if he had thought of how life would be if he had not meet the Bible and Lily, and the guy replies that he might eventually accept the adoption into the Nakajima Family though some part of him will still linger in finding out the truth of the destruction of his village. While he went through much crap, he do not regret the meeting as he meet people around and likes life the way it is.