Character Discussion - Kallen

[Vito]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

The war is never over.

Well, it is if one of the parties involved dies I think the body count will increase in the next two eps, maybe the last episode will be like the Infinite Ryvius one, en epilogue of sorts. I'm not sure Kallen is likely to survive, though I wouldn't rate C.C. that high up on the list of survivals either now that she probably has a nightmare frame of her own.

[Skellington2612]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

The war is never over.

Damn damn... I hoped that with the mag spreads will get and end... I guess we´ll have to live with the trolls ´til the end...

[lousylaus]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

I think he would not help Suzaku kill her

Well if like you said, Kallen is persistent and she's a big threat to Suzaku, he'd have no choice but to do whatever it take to bring her down even if it means killing her. Kallen sure wouldn't hold out on killing Suzaku so he can't take the chance of just letting them go without doing anything, so if he has the power to shift the tides in his favor he'll definitly do it imo.

Suzaku is much more important to him than Kallen now. If he fall, Lelouch fall too and vice versa.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

I thought it was obvious enough as to why Lelouch was acting the way he was during that scene.

The ignorant masses just hates Lelouch for acting the way he did, without looking at why he acted in such a way. It's partly due to ignorance of how Lelouch behaves.

[Lolipopo]

Originally Posted by lousylaus

Well if like you said, Kallen is persistent and she's a big threat to Suzaku, he'd have no choice but to do whatever it take to bring her down even if it means killing her. Kallen sure wouldn't hold out on killing Suzaku so he can't take the chance of just letting them go without doing anything, so if he has the power to shift the tides in his favor he'll definitly do it imo.

Suzaku is much more important to him than Kallen now. If he fall, Lelouch fall too and vice versa.

If Lelouch can see that Kallen is likely going to die, he'll interfere.
She was his knight, and is likely now one of his most important people, one he wishes to protect, even if for that, he must make her hate him.

I guess he'll even be happy to die by her hand.
But no, He will never allowSuzaku to kill her. This will be totally OOC.

[FoxxFireArt]

Originally Posted by Var

Anya maybe? Perhaps thats why she's looking through her diary, reminding Gino and Kallen about the real people behind the masks.

Well, first off. How could Anya even know what Lelouch and Suzaku have planned. She was with Schneizel this whole time. It's not like she just goes around showing people her pictures. People seem to need to ask.
Secondly, we still don't know who it was that left Schneizel's side. Could of been Anya, but could of also been Sayako. It would explain why she looks injured. If she had to fight to get away.

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Kallen knows enough about Lelouch to get that he's taking the blame as he usually does, and Gino must at least realize something about Suzaku. Those two talking might at least give them an idea, or at the very least the motivation to stop whatever those two are doing. Anya might help, too, as Var suggests. Given the spoilers, however, it doesn't seem like Gino won't get through if Kallen has to fight Suzaku.

It's more that they want the world aligned against them, creating peace through conflict. What happens after that is the question.

Cecile knows more than we do about it, probably, and Jeremiah probably doesn't know anything about Marianne.

We don't know what Kallen knows right now. It is obvious that he was purposely keeping her out of it. he was intent at going after Lelouch. I think the whole, 'only she can take on Lancelot' is just an excuse.

Lloyd and Cecil seem to be in on this plan. If it was something really horrible wouldn't they be implicated. Lloyd wouldn't care, but you'd think Cecil would be apprehensive.

We aren't sure Jeremiah doesn't know about Marianne.

Originally Posted by morbosfist

I don't see either dying, but if someone is to lose, I hope it's Suzaku. He got her last season, so turnabout's fair-play, and since they're even fighting in the first place, I suspect he's going to be standing in the way of anyone trying to reach Lelouch, so he'll need to go down.

That is true. It's one of the first times they have ever been on equal footing. Usually when hey meet someone is give an advantage.
I think Suzaku would stop from going too far, but Kallen is another matter. Unless Suzaku completely disables the Guren I don't see how you stop Kallen from fighting.

Originally Posted by Lolipopo

If Lelouch can see that Kallen is likely going to die, he'll interfere.
She was his knight, and is likely now one of his most important people, one he wishes to protect, even if for that, he must make her hate him.

I guess he'll even be happy to die by her hand.
But no, He will never allowed Suzaku to kill her. This will be totally OOC.

I think you are right. I think he wouldn't tell her anything because anything that came out of his mouth would possibly get her to come with him.
the problem is that he would have to see that Kallen was going to die. If he is inside with Nunnally how is he going to know.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

The ignorant masses just hates Lelouch for acting the way he did, without looking at why he acted in such a way. It's partly due to ignorance of how Lelouch behaves.

If they are ignorant (which they are), how do you expect them to even read your post?

Secondly, we still don't know who it was that left Schneizel's side. Could of been Anya, but could of also been Sayako. It would explain why she looks injured. If she had to fight to get away.

I'd say Anya.

I don't see any reason why Sayako would even JOIN Schenzeil in the first place. He stated that someone who couldn't agree with them anymore ran away. That and Anya was present with all of them during Lelouch's annoucement and THEN was absent when Nunnally announced herself.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by lousylaus

Well if like you said, Kallen is persistent and she's a big threat to Suzaku, he'd have no choice but to do whatever it take to bring her down even if it means killing her. Kallen sure wouldn't hold out on killing Suzaku so he can't take the chance of just letting them go without doing anything, so if he has the power to shift the tides in his favor he'll definitly do it imo.

Suzaku is much more important to him than Kallen now. If he fall, Lelouch fall too and vice versa.

Suzaku is not more important to him, he's another pawn in the game. If he didn't care about Kallen, he could have had her fighting for him with a few kind words. Instead, he intentionally distances her. Suzaku is an ally, Kallen is someone he wants safe.

[Vito]

Originally Posted by lousylaus

Well if like you said, Kallen is persistent and she's a big threat to Suzaku, he'd have no choice but to do whatever it take to bring her down even if it means killing her. Kallen sure wouldn't hold out on killing Suzaku so he can't take the chance of just letting them go without doing anything, so if he has the power to shift the tides in his favor he'll definitly do it imo.

Suzaku is much more important to him than Kallen now. If he fall, Lelouch fall too and vice versa.

His plan was to get her out of the harms way which might horribly backfire in a typically Lelouch plan kind of way. How is Suzaku more important than Kallen? She seems as good as Suzaku in regards to knightmare frame piloting skills.

I don't think you can easily compare the importance of the two characters. Right now Suzaku is an important tool as a means to and end while Kallen seems to be an important person to him so he pushed her away...

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

The ignorant masses just hates Lelouch for acting the way he did, without looking at why he acted in such a way. It's partly due to ignorance of how Lelouch behaves.

Yes, people do seem to hate Lelouch, could it be because he's not a typical protagonist? I mean surely in other mecha series the main guy kills regular a decent chunk of enemy pilots (who might have families) and nobody gives a damn.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

If they are ignorant (which they are), how do you expect them to even read your post?

They're ignorant because they haven't seen all the official side stories.


I intend to bring forth a certain piece of information that C.C. told Kallen.

[Vito]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

They're ignorant because they haven't seen all the official side stories.


I intend to bring forth a certain piece of information that C.C. told Kallen.

What side story are you reffering to? The latest picture drama or?

[lovecakecookies]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

They're ignorant because they haven't seen all the official side stories.


I intend to bring forth a certain piece of information that C.C. told Kallen.

Is it from the latest magazine spoilers? I heard that not all of that stuff there could be reliable though..

I hope that C.C and Kallen interact again.. I love their interactions..

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

Well, first off. How could Anya even know what Lelouch and Suzaku have planned. She was with Schneizel this whole time. It's not like she just goes around showing people her pictures. People seem to need to ask.

Anya's not a very talkative person is all, but Gino could get something out of her if anyone can.

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

We don't know what Kallen knows right now. It is obvious that he was purposely keeping her out of it. She was intent at going after Lelouch. I think the whole, 'only she can take on Lancelot' is just an excuse.

Sorry to correct you, but I figure this is what you meant. It shows she still cares about Lelouch, enough that she isn't willing to let anyone else harm him.

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

Lloyd and Cecil seem to be in on this plan. If it was something really horrible wouldn't they be implicated. Lloyd wouldn't care, but you'd think Cecil would be apprehensive.

She was at the beginning for a bit, but she's not the type to go against Lloyd.

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

We aren't sure Jeremiah doesn't know about Marianne.

Fair enough, but why would Lelouch discuss it?

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

That is true. It's one of the first times they have ever been on equal footing. Usually when hey meet someone is give an advantage.
I think Suzaku would stop from going too far, but Kallen is another matter. Unless Suzaku completely disables the Guren I don't see how you stop Kallen from fighting.

Suzaku can get into it just like she can, Kallen's just quicker about getting in that mood. Suzaku likewise doesn't know when to quit. He lost his Hadron Cannon, VARIS, a sword, left arm, and left leg, but still he was going to fight until deciding he needed punishment. With their mechs even, there will be no choice to but to go all out.

[FoxxFireArt]

Originally Posted by SoldierOfDarkness

I'd say Anya.

I don't see any reason why Sayako would even JOIN Schenzeil in the first place. He stated that someone who couldn't agree with them anymore ran away. That and Anya was present with all of them during Lelouch's annoucement and THEN was absent when Nunnally announced herself.

Sayako wuld of stayed by Nunnally to keep watch after her. Only rason she left Nunnally before was because she idn't know her importance to Zero.

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

They're ignorant because they haven't seen all the official side stories.

I intend to bring forth a certain piece of information that C.C. told Kallen.

I'd be interested in hearing about those, but I don't know how serious those can be taken.
I hear about a lot of 'side stories' that aren't to be taken seriously. With those I would think it would be too hard to filter out conan and non-canon. Normal rule of thumb is that if it wasn't important enough to fit into the show it shouldn't be take too seriously.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by FoxxFireArt

I'd be interested in hearing about those, but I don't know how serious those can be taken.
I hear about a lot of 'side stories' that aren't to be taken seriously. With those I would think it would be too hard to filter out conan and non-canon. Normal rule of thumb is that if it wasn't important enough to fit into the show it shouldn't be take too seriously.

It's Stage 15.631, "Girls' Fight".

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

It's Stage 15.631, "Girls' Fight".

girl's fight was funny XD

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Witacume

girl's fight was funny XD

I'll just give you one line from it:


C.C.: That guy (Zero) never brings in his most important females into his schemes. That means I'm not one of them.

[Vito]

Originally Posted by Kang Seung Jae

I'll just give you one line from it:


C.C.: That guy (Zero) never brings in his most important females into his schemes. That means I'm not one of them.

Ah thanks I've completely missed that. This is the tl of the part I have:

C.C.: That's where you're wrong. I am an accomplice to Zero's very existence.

Kallen: What's that? Is that a boast about being the person closest to Zero?

C.C.: No. He won't involve the women who are truly important to him. In other words, I am completely out of his consideration.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Originally Posted by Vito

Ah thanks I've completely missed that. This is the tl of the part I have:

C.C.: That's where you're wrong. I am an accomplice to Zero's very existence.

Kallen: What's that? Is that a boast about being the person closest to Zero?

C.C.: No. He won't involve the women who are truly important to him. In other words, I am completely out of his consideration.

Bingo. Also, we should remember how he responded to the suggestion that he should let Shirley take his Heart Hat.


Lelouch: That's why I don't want her to be involved.

[lousylaus]

Suzaku is not just an ally, it's his best friend too.

If he has a choice in the battle about who's living and dying(if it's necessary), he'll side with Suzaku. Sure he might try to convince her to back off or try to talk with her, but I doubt she'll listen. They pretty much said their goodbyes in the last episode, and chose their own path. They're no longer on the same side.

Lelouch & Suzaku have bigger things to do than worry about Kallen well being, If she gets in their way. Both of them are now on the path that they'll do whatever it takes for results.

Besides how will Lelouch take down Schneizel if Suzaku dies. He won't.
He was pretty much ready to shoot Kaguya down to get what he want. That's the path the both of them are on now.

The only one Lelouch would sacrifice Suzaku for right now is Nunally. And who knows, they might go up against her eventually too. You think Kallen matters if they can go up against her?