Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion (second reincarnation)

[Saint X]

@ JE

.50 BMG? nah that's light compared to some of my Magic+Conventional (M.A.R.D.U.K.) Mods- at least 2 of them use 20mm shells- just in case.

ah and yes... are Manp(ad) Missile Systems okay for you?

I have a long standing idea of a "Missile Squad" consisting of a launcher and a spotter.

[JamesEdwards]

Originally Posted by Saint X

@ JE

.50 BMG? nah that's light compared to some of my Magic+Conventional (M.A.R.D.U.K.) Mods- at least 2 of them use 20mm shells- just in case.

ah and yes... are Manp(ad) Missile Systems okay for you?

I have a long standing idea of a "Missile Squad" consisting of a launcher and a spotter.

Ho, boy, you know what we're about to get into here, right? Theoretical SOP and Warfighting. And we're likely debating across 4 systems: Nano-verse, Enforcer-verse, Your Verse, and Common Sense. Y'know...that's probably not going be very pretty, but for the sake of intellectual fun, I'm gonna do this dance with you.

First off, man, let's be clear. I come from the school of United States Marine Corps, as such, there is a very strong and practical "Common Sense" to everything I do in the Enforcer-verse, with Hideo Kojima and other cool stuff on the side for Awesome. I have a suspension of disbelief but compared to most folks, except for say ATC, Goose, or Tempest, it is a very peculiar "taste" to say the least.

Now, let's begin.

I don't want to sound rude or arsehole-ish here, but putting the 20mm autocannon / gun system on normal infantry ain't so smart. As impressive as Kojima made it, very few people are Vulcan Raven. That guy is pure exception to the rule. A bonafide wunderkind. As for your 10+ foot heavy infantry super men and women, sure that'll work.

You need to adjust your perspective here. The average grunt is someone in the neighborhood of 5' 5" to 6' 0" even, with a Magus Aptitude of say C to B. The round itself on average, e.g. 20x102mm, is about the size of your hand and then some. Quoting wiki here "a 100 gram bullet fired at a muzzle velocity of 1,035 m/s (3395 ft/s). For a simple slug round this is a muzzle energy of 53,600 joules (or 39,500 ft·lbf)". That my friend is a LOT of energy. My baby girl the 14.5mm doesn't come close to delivering that kind of energy.

Even with suspensor sponsons and light strength enhancement, that weapon is basically a glorified heavy machinegun, with jack arse for mobility. It'll be great for engaging vehicles and static positions, but normal light infantry can easily outmaneuver the gunner no problem. And dude, what about ammunition? Sure, it could be unlimited if you make your mage boy or girl, or their A-Gunner make the bullets, but that's not going to be easy work, man.

This is going to be a slow, cumbersome platform, just like the Reciprocating Quad Blaster used by the Advanced Recon Commando heavy gunner. Yes, it brings a lot of firepower to bear, but it leaves a lot to be desired in mobility and protection.

A soldier's best asset is his or her legs. Take that away from 'em and you're going to have problems.

Now, obviously, you could try to make the weapon practical by vastly enhancing the soldier's strength, adding additional suspensors, and hell, even thrusters to the weapon... But that's gonna come at a price. And for me, that's a tough call.

To go from a policing action to a war time setting means already doing a lot of optimization to the standard-issue storage device. For example, infantry don't get flight spells typically, as that is deemed a waste of resources that could be used to maxing out their Barrier Jacket or bettering their small repertoire of spells. You have to pick and choose what is absolutely critical to accomplishing the mission.

That said, if you really want to give these guys and gals a "Big Gun", there is tons of better ways you can go about it. For example, the AT4 light anti-armor weapon, a 84mm based recoilless "rifle". Having theoretical unlimited ammo for it and having the ability to pop "Overkill" for it? And it's lightweight? Wooo! Now, we're talking serious arse kicking.

Or shoot, why not a 40mm GL?

Now, on to the subject of manportable missile system, yeah, I'm cool with 'em, if you're using them in a capacity of a heavy weapons / anti-armor platoon.

But say putting something like a Cyclone missile launcher on my heavy infantry? Not so hot. I can still remember my many hours playing Heavy Gear 2, Armored Core series, and Front Mission series, not to mention my fond memories of watching Votoms and Gasaraki. Multiple-launch missile or rocket systems on Heavy Infantry is okay but far from optimal. You're much better off allocating that space to a guided Mortar or a guided ATM pod. Rockets if you want to go cheaparse, which is a common sight arguably in Votoms.

Why? It's an issue of volume.

We're talking about bombarding an area here, right, when you mean your "missile" squad? Rockets are gonna have a lot more range than a mortar obviously, but there's also a higher risk of counter fire, e.g. you can "see" the rocket trails. Arguably, my ten-foot-something heavy infantry are very mobile and versatile fighting platforms, but they don't come cheap and are essentially elite troops. Therefore, you gotta think carefully how you want to use 'em.

Leave the Itano Circus Macross Missile / Rocket spam death to the Fly Boys and Sky Girls. Their P.D. equipped counterparts are just loaded to the teeth with ordinance, e.g. imagine man-sized supersonic strike craft, and the normal folks aren't anything to be shy about either being essentially being tilt-rotor attack choppers.

[MeisterBabylon]

Let's not have another equipment epeen contest again shall we?

[ghazghkull]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Is this a channeled spell? I mean, is this a defense spell that needs a constant supply of mana, which drains the caster rather then the protected when hit?

Yes. In terms of who's casting this, Rue, Chikane, and Himeko cast this, and the spell uses up their mana supply to maintain. That's if the caster is maintaining the field.

However, if it's just a one-time use, then it's the initial amount used, and that's it.

I guess I should be a bit more specific? O.o

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Meh, sometimes free time gets a little extreme...

Spoiler for Octogram Advanced:

Advanced Mid Childan Shooting Magic Octagram.
What does it do? I DON'T KNOW! Let's see if I can build something.

Semmetricly speaking, it's based on the Mid-Childan twin rotating square octogram layout, but the vector points in the corners of each square are noted to have more lines, with each point having four more connection lines than the old version.

The high level mathematical values among the lines and their connections allow for more balanced mana distribution along the channels and a higher level of ampliflication of a spell with less waste and more efficiency. This is because instead of the traditional sixteen focal points, the pattern produces 64 mana focal points within the same space with equal semmetry.

Lack of use of this pattern stems mainly from it's primary drawback. Mathematical real time management of the focal points energy balance, while easier, is more intensive on device AI processor ability. Even the highest end intelligent devices have a difficult time managing the 4,000% processor load increase that results. Effectively, the device becomes so busy simply managing the mana flow calculations between the focal points, that it lags or even stops processing in other areas and the spells being used become unstable and risk backfiring. (Note: The processor load does not increase linearly, but rather, exponentially.)

As such, larger spell patterns with fewer focal points are often used for higher level spells, though with a cost in efficieny... the tradeoff is considered acceptable.

((NOTE: For a clear picture of what a 4,000% increase is... it would be having 40 Raising Heart processor cores all dedicated to doing the math.))

EDIT: What this pattern would do in practical use.

If Nanoha is firing Divine Buster for 100% power with a traditional pattern. Use of the Advanced Pattern would result in a divine buster Four Times Stronger for the same mana use.
However, if Raising Heart isn't given the ability to process 40 times its current capacity to handle it, Nanoha runs the extreme risk of blowing herself up. and I don't mean the spell pops in her face, I mean LITTERALLY exploding, and we find bits and pieces of Nanoha scattered a quarter mile in all directions... We're talking about the energy she's discharging capable of blowing holes through large building complexes and starships here.

I don't think Vivio would approve of Nanoha blowing herself up.

Eh... *shrug.*

[JamesEdwards]

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

Meh, sometimes free time gets a little extreme...

Spoiler for Octogram Advanced:

-snip-

Eh... *shrug.*

Sir, with all due respect, I think you just handed to me on a silver platter an alternative as how to push Mid-style magic into the "NEXT" generation, which will pretty much change the playing field completely. I have some proposals, but it's mostly little "upgrades" and applications of the present system; not really revolutionary, but still innovation nevertheless. And I know of one way exactly how to solve the processing issue, too.

Thanks for giving me another reason to trash talk armed devices.

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

If you want it I guess.

I was just thinking about magic circles in general and fooling around, made that one. The thing I remembered is that while seemingly simple, these shapes are mathematically complex bastards, and that they hold significance because of this mathematical 'perfection'.

The 'focal' points are what I consider to be any intersection of the major lines. In Nanoha's two square circle, these would be the eight corners of both squares, and the eight spots where the squares cross each other.

In the Advanced Octogram, I actually came to 56 counting intersections, but given the semmetry that eight vectors I identify have essentially a duplicate set, a 3.5x of the basic 16 seems off to me. (AKA, the shape's so complicated that it's hard to count the points.) Which in lamens terms means I think I missed a set counting, and compensated. The lines are just so complicated I lose track of what I'm counting by hand...

[kct]

Originally Posted by JamesEdwards

Leave the Itano Circus Macross Missile / Rocket spam death to the Fly Boys and Sky Girls. Their P.D. equipped counterparts are just loaded to the teeth with ordinance, e.g. imagine man-sized supersonic strike craft, and the normal folks aren't anything to be shy about either being essentially being tilt-rotor attack choppers.

Hmmm...although to be honest I'll rather leave the heavy stuff (like guided weapons or chain guns) to choppers, or a dedicated strike craft. Be it attack or not, I'm looking at Algerian War mentality when it comes to equipping helis for counter-insurgency, which, for operations which would expose the squadron to places where magic is basically not the best way to fight. Plus the Romanian's IAR 330 SOCAT and the Vietnam War-era ACH-47As gave me ideas, and one of NEXTER's side-mounted helicopter guns is a nice idea for a strafing weapon. Was planning to give the Merlins full-on gunship capabilities at the cost of cargo, but eh, I'll rather leave that to a smaller platform (something like a NH90).

Of course, half of these ideas would meet the dustbin due to the obvious.

[FlameSparkZ]

Originally Posted by Kyral

We should also take into account that Nanoha pretty much instantly learned telepathy.

Sure, she's a genius, but the way Yuuno taught her makes it look like it is something pretty basic.

He said as long she has Raising Heart with her she can talk to him, wich also indicates that Devices are capable to manage (or at least help with) telepathic massages and not only mails or 'window' communication.

And don't forget Hayate in A's, she learned it right away too

Originally Posted by tshouryuu

It took me a while but here is V2.0 of Ciasette

Spoiler for Combat Cyborg Number 17:

Ciasette (Variation of the number, Seventeen)
Voiced by: Kaori Mizuhashi

Role: High-defense, hand-to-hand combat-type
Position: Spear Head Aggressor
Aerial Capacities: Available
Inherent Skill: Holy Armour, Blaster Wave
Inherent Equipment: Blast Knuckles
Other Equipment: AMF Generator, Drone Commandant Armor MK1

Unlike most other Combat Cyborgs, Ciasette was not created by Jail Scaglietti but by her "sister" Quottordi instead, who was instructed to create a combat cyborg with the [Sankt Kaiser Armor] skill. Due to the fact she was born for the sake of an experiment and serves no real purpose except as proof of concept, Ciasette descended into despair before finally settling into rage when Quottordi tried to cheer her up. She violently assaulted Quottordi before collapsing due to her weak body. Although greatly injured, Quottordi never blamed Ciasette for the attack and treated her first before healing herself. The conversion that occurred afterwards was very enlightening to the pair and they grew closer as 'sisters' due to it.

Ciasette's weak physical health was a result of Quottordi's carelessness during the process of cloning and alteration of the base DNA where it suffered minute contamination. While the [Sankt Kaiser Armor] skill was weakened, she did however, gain a second inherent skill due to the contamination as well. Although nothing can be done to the inherent skills, the problem of Ciasette's weak physical body can be solved. To remedy this, she underwent extensive surgery where many of her internals were replaced with cybernetics equivalents, making her more machine than human. Currently, she is the cyborg with the most cybernetic replacements to her organic systems as well as the strongest in physical strength.

Normally, she is a rather introspective person and likes to meditate whenever she is not spending time on her hobbies or training. One of them is taking care of her few, precious potted plants that she got on the rare times the cyborgs get out of their secret facility to restock on supplies. The other is watching professional wrestling videos which her sisters tease her mercilessly for "watching that garbage just to ogle half naked, sweaty man and their rippling muscles". They usually regret it when she uses wrestling moves on them during sparring though. In combat, she tends to charge into battle and start attacking her foes with brute force and the occasional wrestling move, trusting her armor and Inherent Skill to protect her from harm.

Powers
Inherent Skill~Blaster Wave: The ability to focus large amounts of mana/energy quickly in her Inherent Equipment in order to discharge a concentrated blast of fire/energy at point blank range. Usually used when she managed to grab hold of an opponent. Her preferred target is the opponent's neck.

Inherent Skill~Holy Armour: As it is a weaker derivation of the Rare Skill - Armour of the Sankt Kaiser, it has been reclassified and renamed as the IS, Holy Armor. This is an automatic defense that reduces the damage of all incoming attacks.

Inherent Equipment~Blast Knuckles: A pair of gauntlets specially designed for Ciasette that take advantage of her IS. This aids Ciasette as it gathers and stores energy like a capacitor, allowing her to use her IS with little delay or charge time. Developed by Quottordi using Nove's Gun Arm, Subaru's Revolver Knuckle and the Belka cartridge system as a basis.

Other Equipment~AMF Generator: As the name state, it is a generator that creates an Anti Magi-link Field that runs on a power source independent of the Combat Cyborg. This allows the cyborgs to have the advantage of AMF even without drones in the area. All cyborgs equipped with this are proficient in using magic inside the field. This is a small module attached to the Drone Commandant Armor.

Other Equipment~Drone Commandant Armor MK1: A light armour system for the combat cyborgs that allows direct telepathic control over drones. While this is its main function, it adds a bit of minor firepower to the Combat cyborgs, making them more deadly. Designed by Quottordi as additional standard equipment by scrapping out a standard type one drone and working its reminding pieces into armor and weapons.

Other Notes
She is named Ciasette as she is Quottordi's seventeenth attempt and only success.

And here's another OC, Quindi V1.0

Spoiler for Combat Cyborg Number 15:

Quindi (Variation of the number, Fifteen)
Voiced by: Shiraishi Ryoko

Role: Long range fire support
Position: Rear Vanguard/Rear Support
Aerial Capacities: Available
Inherent Skill: Seven Guns
Inherent Equipment: Seven Guns System
Other Equipment: AMF Generator, Drone Commandant Armor MK1

Originally created as a fire support type to act as Deici's support, Quindi was never completed by Jail Scaglietti as she was considered a low priority since her IS is very similar to Deici's. As such, she remained asleep in her life support pod and was ship to the same remote facility with Quottordi. She was later awaken when Quottordi discovered the life support pods containing the rest of the incomplete cyborgs that were sent along. Although initially slightly disappointed at her incomplete status, her rather laid back, easy going personality soon had her shrugging off the matter.

Although she is created as a combat type cyborg, she has a surprising number of non combat related skills. One of her talents manifest in mechanical related matters as she more or less created most of her Inherent equipment by herself with some help from Quottordi. As such, she is constantly fiddling with her equipment and further customizing it. She also assists Quottrodi in enhancing her sisters cybernetics and even if she offer to enhance Quottrodi's internal cybernetics, the offer was never taken up. She has shown that she is quite a good cook as she has taken up cooking for the entire group.

As for her combat abilities, she tends to fight in mid range as a matter of personal preference but she is able to shoot from long range if required. While skilled enough to avoid getting into melee range most of the time, she won't hesitate to engage the opponent in close combat if the situation calls for it.

Powers
Inherent Skill~Seven Guns: Quindi's IS allows her to use her Inherent Equipment to their fullest extent. Her variation allows her high speed processing of targeting information, boosting her accuracy.

Inherent Equipment~Seven Guns System: Seven weapons built to reassemble a pair of pistols, a sniper rifle, a double barrel rifle, a shotgun and a pair of sub machine guns. All weapons draw energy directly from her cyborg power source when firing energy attacks. Developed by Quottordi using information of various devices obtained from different sources.

• Twin pistols: General purpose weapons that are Quindi's preferred armament of choice. Attached to her thigh armor when they're not being used.
• Dual SMGs: A set of weapons with energy bullets that are low in power individually but has a very high firing rate, used for close quarters suppression fire. Stored at her lower back when not in use.
• Double barrel assault carbine: A powerful weapon with the firing rate of the SMGs and the fire power of the pistols. While useful, it tends to drain Quindi dry in a short amount of time. Foldable and stored on her right hip armor plate when not in use.
• Riot shotgun: The weapon with the slowest firing rate of the seven guns system. However it is the most powerful in short range. Has the ability to fire solid shells as well. Also foldable but stored on her left hip armor plate instead.
• Sniper rifle: Quindi's longest ranged weapon. Although she uses it the least, nonetheless she is strangely very attached to it. Stored across her back when not in use.

Other Equipment~AMF Generator: As the name state, it is a generator that creates an Anti Magi-link Field that runs on a power source independent of the Combat Cyborg. This allows the cyborgs to have the advantage of AMF even without drones in the area. All cyborgs equipped with this are proficient in using magic inside the field. This is a small module attached to the Drone Commandant Armor.

Other Equipment~Drone Commandant Armor MK1: A light armour system for the combat cyborgs that allows direct telepathic control over drones. While this is its main function, it adds a bit of minor firepower to the Combat cyborgs, making them more deadly. Designed by Quottordi as additional standard equipment by scrapping out a standard type one drone and working its reminding pieces into armor and weapons.

Other Notes
She seems to know far more than what she should and her sisters suspect she remembers a lot of her original's memories. When confronted about it, she just smiles wistfully.

Comments and Criticisms please.

Hmm...looks fine to me

Is there going to be a Number 16?

Originally Posted by LoweGear

And now, for your consideration:

Combat Cyborg Number 20: Venti, aka "Yuzu Citrus"

Spoiler for Venti:

Left: Cyborg Number Colors
Right: TSAB Service Colors

*departs*

EDIT:

Added hair ornament on TSAB version.

So...what's with the elf ears?

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

So...what's with the elf ears?

Not elf ears. Eldar ears. :3

*runs away cackling as Shuriken Cannon fire is send his way*

[tshouryuu]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Hmm hmm, V2 is much better, no complaints on my part. Wrestle fan is an awesome quirk by the way. :3

I feel so cheated... I was expecting more opposition

Originally Posted by LimitedEternal

Heh, multigunner. Modular ability is more my style.

By the way, what language are the Numbers' numbers derived from?

I'm following Canon so its in Italian. 15 and 17 in Italian are Quindici & Diciassette respectively.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Already said what I needed to say in IRC, but nice job on these two nonetheless Wonder if they might be interested in taking care of another Cyborg pre-Force...

Yes, I remember your comments in IRC. As for taking care of another Cyborg, it depends on who. We need to discuss this in detail.

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Hmm...looks fine to me

Is there going to be a Number 16?

14, 16, 18 and most likely 19 as well More Numbers to play with WOOO!!

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Pardon the double post...

And now, for your consideration:

Combat Cyborg Number 20: Venti, aka "Yuzu Citrus"

Left: Cyborg Number Colors
Right: TSAB Service Colors

Spoiler for Lovely image again:

*departs*

EDIT:

Added hair ornament on TSAB version.

You know... I've been considering doing more with the Numbers myself, and maybe adding another one of my own to the fray as well. When can we expect a background on Venti?

Originally Posted by tshouryuu

I feel so cheated... I was expecting more opposition

Don't see it as cheated, see it as a victory. You made a profile that I can't nitpick because it all makes sense.

Originally Posted by tshouryuu

I'm following Canon so its in Italian. 15 and 17 in Italian are Quindici & Diciassette respectively.

Which raises a question though... Deed is not Italian I believe, since the Italian number for twelve is dodici... what happened there? Simple garbling?

Originally Posted by tshouryuu

14, 16, 18 and most likely 19 as well More Numbers to play with WOOO!!

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Y'know... too many 'borgs and it's going to get old.

I wouldn't mind a couple characters that were precursors to the C.C. Program. People who were mauled or severely injured in some manner that had experimental procedures done to them as Proof of Concept tests...

I'd rather see a set of individuals that shows that there was a lot of research being done. I mean, you don't go from test tube mages to cybernetic life forms just because you want to.
As an example, who would be the successful Proof of Concept Testbed for the endoskeleton that grows with the person? Subaru has metal endoskeleton bones in her arms and such, but she was once only two feet tall... How'd her body grow correctly? Because I don't see her walking into the 'Shop' and saying. "These size 21 arms are getting too short, I need replacements in size 24."

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

Y'know... too many 'borgs and it's going to get old.

*shrug* We'll cross that bridge when we get there. So far 'too many mages' didn't get old either.

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

I wouldn't mind a couple characters that were precursors to the C.C. Program. People who were mauled or severely injured in some manner that had experimental procedures done to them as Proof of Concept tests...

There's a problem with that though. In order for cyborg implants to actually be effective strengtheners rather then just replacements for lost parts, the subjects have to be genetically altered prior to birth. People who were mauled and had procedures done to them may have cybernatic bodyparts, but they wouldn't be replacements for their natural parts, and would not be exceedingly stronger.

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

I'd rather see a set of individuals that shows that there was a lot of research being done. I mean, you don't go from test tube mages to cybernetic life forms just because you want to.
As an example, who would be the successful Proof of Concept Testbed for the endoskeleton that grows with the person? Subaru has metal endoskeleton bones in her arms and such, but she was once only two feet tall... How'd her body grow correctly? Because I don't see her walking into the 'Shop' and saying. "These size 21 arms are getting too short, I need replacements in size 24."

She and Ginga underwent constant maintenance. But rather then that, she seems to have an auto-repair function. It's not unlikely to believe that this auto-repair also takes into account the growth of the body, and adjusts its parts accordingly.

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Originally Posted by Keroko

*shrug* We'll cross that bridge when we get there. So far 'too many mages' didn't get old either.

But we're not talking about mages in general, we'd have to be talking about a Specific Group. The 'numbers' are getting on towards silly count.

There's a problem with that though. In order for cyborg implants to actually be effective strengtheners rather then just replacements for lost parts, the subjects have to be genetically altered prior to birth. People who were mauled and had procedures done to them may have cybernatic bodyparts, but they wouldn't be replacements for their natural parts, and would not be exceedingly stronger.

Not in all cases. You need proof of concept testing to ensure that a human being can even handle a particular part. Or that alteration X can even be done and keep the subject alive. No scientist, mad or not, would waste valued resources making a highly expensive test subject on tech that they aren't even close to certain could be slapped onto a human frame and keep the human alive.

You have to be sure you can first put a carbon nanotube fiber mesh into the muscle of a human and have it actually work before you attempt to GROW someone with it built in. You have to ensure that before you grow your expensive, geneticly modified superhuman cyborg with the titantium reinforced skeletal structure, that you can actually do it.

She and Ginga underwent constant maintenance. But rather then that, she seems to have an auto-repair function. It's not unlikely to believe that this auto-repair also takes into account the growth of the body, and adjusts its parts accordingly.

My point. Someone had to pioneer that auto-repair mechanism for a cybernetic component. Even if you say they went in for 'constant maintanance', I don't see Subaru going in for a SKELETON OVERHAUL!!!!




So I would rather to see lots of 'almost' cyborgs lurking around. People with maybe a reconstructed half-cybernetic arm with carbon nanotube reinforced muscles and titanitum grafted bones making that arm six times stronger than normal... An experiment which would have killed the person if it were to be done to the entire body.

Test bodies and victims of circumstance. People who lost their vision with occular replacements, people crippled in a situation abducted and given the 'unique chance' to regain something they lost, assuming they could keep a secret, and are willing to take the risk.

For every NUMBER we see, there should be a hundred people who were there to prove one thing or another in tests, and of each of those hundred, I would expect only ten survivors.

Which means that if we go with the kind of 20 or so expanded numbers here...

2000 people who were experiments of the concept.
And of those,
200 survivors.

That would also help to bring home the 'GRUESOM' and immoral nature of the entire program.
"How many people lost their life to give birth to you?"

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

But we're not talking about mages in general, we'd have to be talking about a Specific Group. The 'numbers' are getting on towards silly count.

Not unreasonably so. There were a lot of pods in Jail's base, and considering they used to do base-hopping a lot, the idea that it wasn't the only one is hardly unreasonable.

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

Not in all cases. You need proof of concept testing to ensure that a human being can even handle a particular part. Or that alteration X can even be done and keep the subject alive. No scientist, mad or not, would waste valued resources making a highly expensive test subject on tech that they aren't even close to certain could be slapped onto a human frame and keep the human alive.

You have to be sure you can first put a carbon nanotube fiber mesh into the muscle of a human and have it actually work before you attempt to GROW someone with it built in. You have to ensure that before you grow your expensive, geneticly modified superhuman cyborg with the titantium reinforced skeletal structure, that you can actually do it.

Yes, but as I said, such subjects would be vastly inferior to the Numbers. Canon was quite clear on that.

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

My point. Someone had to pioneer that auto-repair mechanism for a cybernetic component. Even if you say they went in for 'constant maintanance', I don't see Subaru going in for a SKELETON OVERHAUL!!!!

Oh, I see. I misunderstood. The auto-repair system isn't anything new though, it's presence was already made clear in S1. There's no reason for this to be pioneered on the Cyborg area if the technology is already present in the universe.

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

So I would rather to see lots of 'almost' cyborgs lurking around. People with maybe a reconstructed half-cybernetic arm with carbon nanotube reinforced muscles and titanitum grafted bones making that arm six times stronger than normal... An experiment which would have killed the person if it were to be done to the entire body.

Test bodies and victims of circumstance. People who lost their vision with occular replacements, people crippled in a situation abducted and given the 'unique chance' to regain something they lost, assuming they could keep a secret, and are willing to take the risk.

We already have a few I recall... Aurion has a prosthetic arm, Phanan has a prosthetic left arm, eye, several internal organs... being immune to most conventional healing magic is a pain in the rear.

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

For every NUMBER we see, there should be a hundred people who were there to prove one thing or another in tests, and of each of those hundred, I would expect only ten survivors.

We're not stopping you from writing these OC's, but we like to use the Numbers. I don't see the logic of that calculation anyway, especially since canon stated that Sentoukijin were more easy to work with. Once the basic technology of combining human and machine was made feasible, the need for 'hundreds of victims' went down the drain as far as canon is concerned.

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

That would also help to bring home the 'GRUESOM' and immoral nature of the entire program.
"How many people lost their life to give birth to you?"

We already had that though. Heck, Nove had her own biological mother die in order to give birth to her.

[NorthernFallout]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Not unreasonably so. There were a lot of pods in Jail's base, and considering they used to do base-hopping a lot, the idea that it wasn't the only one is hardly unreasonable.

Ne~ Ne~ *pokes*
Am I the only one thinking of Jump Clones? Due to the words 'pod', 'base-hop'. Just sayin'..

[Keroko]

*nod nod* Jail should've used that trick.

[MeisterBabylon]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Not elf ears. Eldritch ears. :3

*runs away cackling as Shuriken Cannon fire is sent his way*

At first the space elves were nowhere, now they are everywhere, even though I've long said they were coming!

*shuriken slug crashes into battlesuit force field*

And I let Keroko pass a cover save!

Oh and did some fixing. <_< / >_>

Originally Posted by Keroko

*nod nod* Jail should've used that trick.

He didn't and so he probably can't. Only the awakened clone connected to the Guardian of the Two Moons can.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by JamesEdwards

Alright, I don't know why am I doing this exactly, but I chock it up to a combination of boredom and a little inspiration from ATC's ficlet post. I already posted this little omake actually up on ff.net, but considering I didn't get really any feedback about it and only Tempest has read it before, I figured I'd try my luck here too.

Anyways, this takes place in my homebrew universe. Please, kick back and enjoy the show.

Spoiler for Tales from the Gravity Front 1.1:

*snip*

Elite... Powered... Armor... You mean, the one from FEAR 2?

And that's a rather... redneck way of speaking there

Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw

Meh, sometimes free time gets a little extreme...

Spoiler for Octogram Advanced:

*snip*

Eh... *shrug.*

That the symmetry and geometry of magic circles have a relation to their magical ability is a very cool concept, and neatly described and executed with this magic circle. Actually thought of that geometry = magic concept before... reasoned that a magic circle based off a fractal would theoretically hold near infinite amounts of energy...

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

So...what's with the elf ears?

In-Universe Explanation:

- The long ears are designed as control antennae that allows for enhanced fine-tuning of her IS, and also improves her sense of hearing and balance.

Artistic Explanation:

- The ears are made to resemble leaves, since the objective was to make Citrus akin to an orange fruit. It also makes her unique from a profile view, making her the only Number with elven ears.

True Explanation:

- Creator of said character likes elf ears very much

*ehem*

Originally Posted by Keroko

Not elf ears. Eldar ears. :3

*runs away cackling as Shuriken Cannon fire is send his way*

*sends in some D-Cannon Platforms as well*

Originally Posted by Keroko

You know... I've been considering doing more with the Numbers myself, and maybe adding another one of my own to the fray as well. When can we expect a background on Venti?

Well, the only reason I've been doing Yuzu-chan's image is because she'll be presented alongside Mai in the latter's Perfect Grade Profile (she becomes Mai's Aide in the Enforcers, much like Teana with Runessa). As for an actual honest to goodness profile, that may be a bit farther off, since I'm devoting my creative profile energies to the Perfect Grade Project

And more Numbers are always welcome

Originally Posted by Keroko

*nod nod* Jail should've used that trick.

... I was actually planning on giving Yuzu-chan here a flightpack as her inherent equipment due to the drawbacks of her two Inherent Skills... though the design of her Sylpherion Raiser flight package is still under much planning (aka I don't have a design for it yet )