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IntrepidAKP · 2004-10-29, 12:47

They seem to heal much better than us. All the diclonous or whatever took millions of fatal wounds. Or it could be just that it's a cartoon and not real life.

NoSanninWa · 2004-10-29, 12:49

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Originally Posted by Elbowlick

Speaking of hot vector-wielding girls, has anyone wondered why Nana's body is in as good a shape as it is (before the whole 'losing her arms of legs' thing)?

After all those experiments and those metal balls being shot at her, why isn't her body covered in bruises, cuts, stiches, etc? I've always wondered about that... ... : /

Either silpelts have superhuman healing ability or else cute girls just don't scar in anime.

Elbowlick · 2004-10-29, 13:02

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Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

Either silpelts have superhuman healing ability or else cute girls just don't scar in anime.

Well, it's probably the latter... still, I think a few scars and nicks would increase Nana's cuteness. Maybe that's just me, though.

soloista · 2004-10-29, 20:41

The metal balls shot out are enough to cause concussions.

Perhaps, the wall the silpelts are chained to, is probably similar to plaster, and the shackles are probably hooked to a real wall behind the absorption wall.

philupthetank86 · 2004-10-30, 18:55

well what do you think...

do you think elfen lied has beaten some of the anime that was on your top A list?

i think it has beaten serial experients lain.

and it rivals evangelion

Dagger · 2004-10-30, 19:41

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Originally Posted by philupthetank86

do you think elfen lied has beaten some of the anime that was on your top A list?

Surprisingly enough, it sort of has. In my mind, Elfen Lied ranks right up there with Saikano and Gunslinger Girl as one of the very best "tragic" anime made in recent years. I'm so grateful that I decided to stick with this show, because it's about fifty times better than it has any right to be. I look forward to buying the DVDs.

Chastain · 2004-10-30, 20:16

dreamless: Naruto... has realistic characters? You must be taking some extremely heavy drugs to come to that conclusion. Naruto probably has the worst, most stereotypical characters ever created in an anime.
While Elfen Lied is also unrealistic, it's something new, or at least applies old clichès in a new way. As for the experiments done on the mutants, take a look at our last world war. It wasn't exactly uncommon that prisoners in german concentration camps were experimented on, testing new drugs, weapons and equipment, cutting them up, as well as more general research related to health, strength and stamina which today is being done on animals. So, cruelty in certain circles is absolutely being reflected realistically. What is not realistic, though, is the way the average citizens are treating the young girls in the show. Most young girls who are seen hurt will immediately be helped by people passing by... and while kids can be incredibly cruel, I doubt they'd bash a dog to death in a classroom at school.

Anyway, I think it's amazing that a series can make me feel sympathetic to a girl who's slaughtered hundreds of innocents and even killed the main guy's parents.

Guido · 2004-10-30, 20:37

Chastain, it proves that you're either not paying attention at all or misinterpreting what you're reading.

Dreamless said Narutaru not Naruto.

Gosh, are you dislexic?

philupthetank86 · 2004-10-30, 22:34

A LOT of people get Narutaru and Naruto mixed up

because there are supprisingly a lot of dyslexic people out there.

i've seen narutaru but i lost interest.

i've seen saikano and i loved it,,, it didnt make me cry though...

the ONLY movie to every make me cry was grave of the firefiles

because when the girl died, you immediately knew that the boy was going to die too.. and thats what made me cry

i've never been moved to tears by ANY thing before.

im going to buy this anime if it ends the way i think it will.

( actually i have no idea how its going to end.)

Goodly i suppose

dreamless · 2004-10-31, 07:50

Elfen Lied beaten some of the animes in my top A list? For me, no. Even the manga version doesn't do that. It's tragic, but more or less it's tragic for the sake of tragedy itself IMO. I think when compared to other tragic series like, say, Key the Metal Idol, Lain, Now and Then Here and There, Saikano, Narutaru, TEXHNOLYZE, etc. etc. it lacks depths, the theme of Elfen Lied seems to be just tragedy itself, with not much else.

philupthetank86 · 2004-10-31, 11:01

.................... i just finish the series.

.................................. oh my god.........

..................................oh my god.........

..................................oh my god.........

there's no way i can honestly say that this anime is not the best anime ever created.

this anime has blown evangelion out of the water.

this anime.... will never be surpassed.

this anime.... shows the true capabilities of how a human expresses one emotion to another.

i am sooo buying this anime when it comes out on dvd.

philupthetank86 · 2004-10-31, 11:05

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Originally Posted by Forbin

I may think that you aren't that old yet GarBhaD, because except for the psychic girls cutting off limbs and the fact that every girl in this Anime is HOT this does look like a slice of life.

1) Bosses are cruel and dumb to their employees.
2) Some fathers do rape their children
3) Lots of children do develop complexes during their younger years, especially orphans.
4) There are people with guns who just smack other people around just because.
5) Denial is a common side effect of trauma.
6) Some really stupid people graduate out of the best universities.
7) The government is involved in a ton of covert things that you don't know about.
8) A melody heard many years ago sometimes just brings back some buried memories.

and the list goes on. Very Real Life.

I probably wouldn't have watched this except for the fact that it has hot psychic girls cutting peoples limbs off

WOw. thats about the very reason why i didnt want to watch it.

the reason why i got stuck watching it,,, was the main theme.

the intro theme.... i was like...

the song was speaking to me and saying " this anime will not suck... this anime will not suck"

dreamless · 2004-10-31, 11:55

blowing evangelion out of the water doesn't really say much... you need to watch more animes...

7thMethuselah · 2004-10-31, 13:07

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Originally Posted by GarBhaD

Spoiler:

I believe somewhere in the show they mentioned that Kurama's daughter was a 3rd generation diclonius. That instantly implies that there are two generations before her, the second generation was the one girl that gave kurama the virus, then she must have gotten it from some place as well.

The there is another fact : it is mentioned that these mutations appear at birth but that some lose their abilities rather quickly, I remember the son of the director touching his horns and saying he only has the horns left (clearly indicating he no longer has the powers). Also the son tries to impregnate Lucy, obviously that means he isn't sterile.

So here is my theory : First generation : the director (and most likely others too) gets the horns and the powers, but loses these powers fairly quickly afterwards.
This could be because the mutation at that time is still inperfect and needs to pass along the flaws to the next generation, (for example = the first creatures born with a mutation of eyesight only had light sensitive cells, they developed into eyes throughout the generation). How did he get his horns, he was born with them, he's a mutation caused by an unknown virus. Where did the virus come from? Who knows? New virusses get born every day through evolution and mutation.

Now the possibility exists that fertility and having these powers are linked, which means that when you have the power, you cannot reproduce. Now upon losing his powers (probably at a very early age, since I've heard them speak of the age of three before they manifest), he becomes fertile again and gets a son = second generation. At this time the director is probably allready planning or starting a research facility.

The second generation however will most likely have better developed powers, powers that last longer, as a consequence the handicap of being infertile last longer. However there is the option to transfer the virus by use of their hands, this how Kurama gets infected, which leads to third generation offspring, his daughter.

Now what is so special about Lucy : She's most likely second generation, now in the first generation the ability appears but flawed, in the second generation there will be mutations of the mutation, some diclonius will have more arms, other, longer arms (Nana) others become fertile (Lucy).

In the third generation, we see a diclonius who's arms are multiplied and alot longer so certain 2nd generation aspects become stronger, but I don't think she's fertile which means that her "parents" didn't get infected by a 2nd generation diclonius which had the fertility mutation.

Yikes very long, highly hypothetical post...

Fell free to comment or undermine my little theory, keep in mind that I haven't read much of the manga yet (this theory is based completely on the anime) so I might be seriously off

Colonel- · 2004-10-31, 13:36

I have some questions in regards to the manga, since i have close to zero literacy in Japanese.

Spoiler:

I have read all the way up to Act 84, and i don't really understand a lot of the stuff =/

dreamless · 2004-10-31, 23:48

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Originally Posted by 7thMethuselah

Spoiler:

I believe somewhere in the show they mentioned that Kurama's daughter was a 3rd generation diclonius. That instantly implies that there are two generations before her, the second generation was the one girl that gave kurama the virus, then she must have gotten it from some place as well.

The there is another fact : it is mentioned that these mutations appear at birth but that some lose their abilities rather quickly, I remember the son of the director touching his horns and saying he only has the horns left (clearly indicating he no longer has the powers). Also the son tries to impregnate Lucy, obviously that means he isn't sterile.

So here is my theory : First generation : the director (and most likely others too) gets the horns and the powers, but loses these powers fairly quickly afterwards.
This could be because the mutation at that time is still inperfect and needs to pass along the flaws to the next generation, (for example = the first creatures born with a mutation of eyesight only had light sensitive cells, they developed into eyes throughout the generation). How did he get his horns, he was born with them, he's a mutation caused by an unknown virus. Where did the virus come from? Who knows? New virusses get born every day through evolution and mutation.

Now the possibility exists that fertility and having these powers are linked, which means that when you have the power, you cannot reproduce. Now upon losing his powers (probably at a very early age, since I've heard them speak of the age of three before they manifest), he becomes fertile again and gets a son = second generation. At this time the director is probably allready planning or starting a research facility.

The second generation however will most likely have better developed powers, powers that last longer, as a consequence the handicap of being infertile last longer. However there is the option to transfer the virus by use of their hands, this how Kurama gets infected, which leads to third generation offspring, his daughter.

Now what is so special about Lucy : She's most likely second generation, now in the first generation the ability appears but flawed, in the second generation there will be mutations of the mutation, some diclonius will have more arms, other, longer arms (Nana) others become fertile (Lucy).

In the third generation, we see a diclonius who's arms are multiplied and alot longer so certain 2nd generation aspects become stronger, but I don't think she's fertile which means that her "parents" didn't get infected by a 2nd generation diclonius which had the fertility mutation.

Yikes very long, highly hypothetical post...

Fell free to comment or undermine my little theory, keep in mind that I haven't read much of the manga yet (this theory is based completely on the anime) so I might be seriously off

actually

Spoiler:

7thMethuselah · 2004-11-01, 04:46

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Originally Posted by dreamless

actually

Spoiler:

Was this dealt with in the manga? I've read a couple of chapters allready but I might be inclined to prioritize Elfen Lied manga if I can get more background info

Colonel- · 2004-11-01, 21:47

The manga is much darker and much more sinister.... Lucy is literally a "goddess" of hopelessness since i can't judge how everything wil be right for her in the end...

Fronzel · 2004-11-02, 00:25

The manga also has butt ugly art, at least in the 7 chapters I've read.

philupthetank86 · 2004-11-02, 17:42

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Originally Posted by dreamless

blowing evangelion out of the water doesn't really say much... you need to watch more animes...

well ive seen anime that comes close.

Rahxephon.

saikano

lain.

narutaru.

Rurouni Kenshin Reminisence

but,,, nothing compaired to the things that i look for in anime

maybe to others opinions elfen lied and evangelion are equal.

but as far as the whole picture is consered to me. i enjoy elfen lied more

the reason why?

elfen lied made me cry with joy

evangelion did not

2004-10-31, 13:36	Link #895
Colonel- Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ca	I have some questions in regards to the manga, since i have close to zero literacy in Japanese. Spoiler: WHAT the hell is the Director General and his ancestors? And what's that "thing" he keeps in that underground lake? Is that his own daughter or something after modification? I have read all the way up to Act 84, and i don't really understand a lot of the stuff =/

2004-10-29, 12:47	Link #881
IntrepidAKP ...Woah! Join Date: Apr 2004	They seem to heal much better than us. All the diclonous or whatever took millions of fatal wounds. Or it could be just that it's a cartoon and not real life.

2004-10-29, 20:41	Link #884
soloista Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	The metal balls shot out are enough to cause concussions. Perhaps, the wall the silpelts are chained to, is probably similar to plaster, and the shackles are probably hooked to a real wall behind the absorption wall.

2004-10-30, 18:55	Link #885
philupthetank86 Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: tehachapi, CA usa Age: 37	well what do you think... do you think elfen lied has beaten some of the anime that was on your top A list? i think it has beaten serial experients lain. and it rivals evangelion

2004-10-30, 20:16	Link #887
Chastain Political refugee Join Date: Mar 2003	dreamless: Naruto... has realistic characters? You must be taking some extremely heavy drugs to come to that conclusion. Naruto probably has the worst, most stereotypical characters ever created in an anime. While Elfen Lied is also unrealistic, it's something new, or at least applies old clichès in a new way. As for the experiments done on the mutants, take a look at our last world war. It wasn't exactly uncommon that prisoners in german concentration camps were experimented on, testing new drugs, weapons and equipment, cutting them up, as well as more general research related to health, strength and stamina which today is being done on animals. So, cruelty in certain circles is absolutely being reflected realistically. What is not realistic, though, is the way the average citizens are treating the young girls in the show. Most young girls who are seen hurt will immediately be helped by people passing by... and while kids can be incredibly cruel, I doubt they'd bash a dog to death in a classroom at school. Anyway, I think it's amazing that a series can make me feel sympathetic to a girl who's slaughtered hundreds of innocents and even killed the main guy's parents.

2004-10-30, 20:37	Link #888
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Chastain, it proves that you're either not paying attention at all or misinterpreting what you're reading. Dreamless said Narutaru not Naruto. Gosh, are you dislexic?

2004-10-30, 22:34	Link #889
philupthetank86 Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: tehachapi, CA usa Age: 37	A LOT of people get Narutaru and Naruto mixed up because there are supprisingly a lot of dyslexic people out there. i've seen narutaru but i lost interest. i've seen saikano and i loved it,,, it didnt make me cry though... the ONLY movie to every make me cry was grave of the firefiles because when the girl died, you immediately knew that the boy was going to die too.. and thats what made me cry i've never been moved to tears by ANY thing before. im going to buy this anime if it ends the way i think it will. ( actually i have no idea how its going to end.) Goodly i suppose

2004-10-31, 07:50	Link #890
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	Elfen Lied beaten some of the animes in my top A list? For me, no. Even the manga version doesn't do that. It's tragic, but more or less it's tragic for the sake of tragedy itself IMO. I think when compared to other tragic series like, say, Key the Metal Idol, Lain, Now and Then Here and There, Saikano, Narutaru, TEXHNOLYZE, etc. etc. it lacks depths, the theme of Elfen Lied seems to be just tragedy itself, with not much else.

2004-10-31, 11:01	Link #891
philupthetank86 Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: tehachapi, CA usa Age: 37	.................... i just finish the series. .................................. oh my god......... ..................................oh my god......... ..................................oh my god......... there's no way i can honestly say that this anime is not the best anime ever created. this anime has blown evangelion out of the water. this anime.... will never be surpassed. this anime.... shows the true capabilities of how a human expresses one emotion to another. i am sooo buying this anime when it comes out on dvd.

2004-10-31, 11:55	Link #893
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	blowing evangelion out of the water doesn't really say much... you need to watch more animes...

2004-11-01, 21:47	Link #898
Colonel- Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ca	The manga is much darker and much more sinister.... Lucy is literally a "goddess" of hopelessness since i can't judge how everything wil be right for her in the end...

2004-11-02, 00:25	Link #899
Fronzel Schmuck Join Date: Nov 2003	The manga also has butt ugly art, at least in the 7 chapters I've read.