2004-09-06, 12:42 | Link #221 | |
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2004-09-06, 12:43 | Link #222 | |
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Then again ... it's probably just me, who thinks the ability to regenerate critical wounds in a flash and repell attacks like Kaiten is cheap and wrong. |
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2004-09-06, 12:50 | Link #223 | |
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Strength wise, well he basically can't be hurt, he punched through something that not even Zabuza could break. Also you are stupid. I siad berserk Naruto as in the Haku fight or as in the current fight. Where he completely loses himself as in he is partly Kyuubi. As in not any other moment as he gone berserk like that aside from those two. Also I'd like to see anything get past the kaiten. Are you implying that all the time Naruto gets Kyuubi chakra he is the same? As in the Haku kyuubi which was the high point is as strong as the Oro kyuubi which was the lowest of the low? If you are you are stupid. |
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2004-09-06, 13:47 | Link #224 |
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wtf? alot faster than sasuke level 1? great speculation there. you have no idea what the difference is yet. haku was still bouncing around the room and even attempted to attack naruto. he missed and naruto grabbed him as he tried to escape back into the mirrors. but that's all besides the point, since haku is long gone and the others have improved significantly.
punched through something even zabuza couldn't break? where the fuck do you get this stuff? it appears that those 7 mist guys are some of the most physically strong ninjas in the series. you saw the way kisame was winning the duel with asuma while only using near the very tip of his sword? he wasn't in a position of superior leverage, yet still was easily overpowering him with one hand while asuma was using both! i agree with anthriel, naruto's powers are getting pretty ridiculous. |
2004-09-06, 13:57 | Link #225 | |
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i think your not only overestimating naruto, but underestimating kakashi/zabuza as well. btw we still have to see if naruto can be hurt or not (unless you have chap 230 |
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2004-09-06, 16:03 | Link #226 |
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I didn't call anybdoy stupid. But they are stupid if they do think that Kyuubi Naruto in say the Oro scuffle was as strong/fast/chakra as the Haku explosion.
I get the idea that he's faster than them due to the fact that we don't know anyone that is faster than 'it', we know that he is faster than Lee excluding the gates, and Lee's speed was very exceptional, even if he were a chuunin it would most likely be. Zabuza admitted to not being able to defeat the mirrors, well to defeat the mirrors you can either attack the mirrors itself or the user of it. So I doubt he could break it with his own strength and he is quite a strong jounin, very strong indeed, certianly stronger in power than Kakashi. Now here comes Berserk Naruto bursting through with a simple punch. So that's where i get power and speed surpassing that of the 2 I mentioned. Power, certainly, I doubt he can compare to someone say like Gai, but I do think he is stronger power wise than Kakashi, whose power is even less than that of Zabuza and Azuma(or whatever Shika's teacher is called). The speed is iffy, but then again I won't consider Kakashi fast among the jounins. maybe average or a bit above average. I'm not totally sure about his speed, but it's certianly faster than anything Curse Seal Level 2 Sasuke can muster. |
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2004-09-06, 16:24 | Link #228 | |
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Not really sure about the whole part of power but it has already been said that power does not make up for a lack of experience and will power, thus there's the clear difference between Kakashi and Naruto. In terms of power and speed, Naruto definantly outranks Sasuke right now including the fact that Sasuke fighting Naruto only leads to an increase in Naruto's physical abilities and amount of existing chakra during this battle since Naruto is not the type of give up based on his will and that since he will constantly regenerate any injury, which is shown by the last chapter's occurence of Naruto healing in an instant not only simply skin and muscle tissue but also the missing parts of his lung on the right side of his body, and the fact that Kyubi will also continue to give Naruto more and more chakra as possible to stave off any possible death to his container and thus himself so there's no way to take down Naruto at this point unless you are of a higher level experience wise by significant degree. This is my own opinion of course. |
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2004-09-06, 16:27 | Link #229 |
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One EXTREMELY unlikely, albeit equalling interesting scenario, would be if the Level 2 Curse Seal, instead of aiding the Sharingan, instead overloaded it with chakra or something similar, causing Sasuke to either lose the Sharingan, or go blind. Then he would be worthless to Orochimaru, and thus have no choice but to go back to Konoha. This would also allow Kishimoto to have someone make some long-winded speech about how one couldn't rely on crutches like the Sharingan and curse seals for power anyone, and that true strength came from hard work and training. It would also make Sasuke even more angst-y, something which some people would enjoy, and many, many others would hate... with a passion..
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2004-09-06, 16:29 | Link #231 | |
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2004-09-06, 22:12 | Link #235 | ||
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About future chapters, I hope the fight goes uniterrupted until it's conclusion. Kakashi can catch up later. |
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2004-09-06, 22:17 | Link #236 |
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I have a feeling if Kakashi catchs up the match won't end there and then... Naruto and Sasuke arn't the weak Genin they were before, especially now Sasuke is faster and stronger and smart with 3 dot sharingan... and naruto has more chakra oozing out of him than both of them combined x2.
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2004-09-07, 00:11 | Link #238 |
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When you guys are trying to make distinctions between "Berserk Naruto" and "Kyuubified Naruto" or whatever else you want to call the various stages, remember to keep one thing in mind... They are all the same thing, just to varying degrees. When Naruto's appearance becomes fox-like, he's losing himself to Kyuubi's chakra to some degree and drawing the power subconciously. The weak end of the extreme is when his eyes briefly change, like when he attempted the Rasengan against Tsunade. The other extreme is what he used against Sasuke last chapter. The only difference with the Haku and Sasuke fights is that he released so much chakra that it materialized as Kyuubi, but that doesn't mean anything except to indicate just how much it is. You could also say that this happened in the fight against Neji as well, since the chakra took the shape of Kyuubi's tails; it seems that's just what the chakra does when there's so much of it. Either he's using a lot of power or only a little, but he's going berserk to some extent regardless.
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2004-09-07, 11:41 | Link #240 | |
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Because of this, the (somewhat questionable)character data book can be used to get a somewhat more clear picture of how characters compare. Using this book, Lee is as fast as Kakashi. If Lee is as fast as Kakashi, then Sasuke is as fast as Kakashi. And since Sasuke can't react to to Naruto's speed when he draws on that much of the Kyuubi's chakra, then this would implicate that Naruto is also faster than Kakashi. According to the character book, there is not that much of a difference in strength and speed between genin and jounin. Of course, I'm personally not convinced that the character book is accurate, but there is not really much else to go by. |
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