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Hell this is unnacceptable even to your own logic. You just said above that changing his personality changes his backstory and all that. If Shirou doesn't spend as much time at the beginning it's because he viewed the other choices higher in priority. That's a change in personality. And thus a change in his backstory.
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2010-12-17, 15:44 | Link #3262 |
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I started Tsukihime and I want to know if I have to unlock the routes like in F/SN or are they all open to me?
I know this isn't the Tsukihime thread, but if I go there, I might get spoiled, so yeah.
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2010-12-17, 15:49 | Link #3263 |
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I believe that you have to start with one of Arc and Ciel's routes, and that you have to play Hisui's route before Kohaku's, plus it's easier to unlock some routes when you've already finished others (completing Arc and Ciel's routes makes it easier to get onto the Far Side routes by giving you extra points for the characters therein, I believe). Other than that, there are theoretically no restrictions, I think.
However, I believe it's strongly suggested that you play Kohaku's route after Akiha's, due to spoilerage. So, basically, it's not like FSN (where you're limited to playing the routes in order), but there is a "preferred" ordering and there are some restrictions. |
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2010-12-17, 19:51 | Link #3265 | |
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I believe the recommended order is Arcueid>Ciel>Akiha>Hisui>Kohaku, however I switched Ciel and Akiha around when I went through, and given how much I enjoyed Akiha's route, it basically convinced me to read all the others. So it probably doesn't matter too much. Keep us updated on your Tsukihime progress. |
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The first trigger for HF is deciding to cook an extra side-dish, which has nothing whatsoever to do with Shrou caring about Sakura. The second is deciding to walk her home, which perhaps does show interest in Sakura (although, really, it's a level of concern that Shirou would have for her in any route), but you can do that without getting onto the Sakura route anyway. Quote:
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All of those decisions are made on a whim, and to him aren't all that important. Some days he will decide to go talk to Sakura, on other days he won't bother. Over a long period of time, you can perhaps deduce from that how he truly feels for her, but a single data point is not enough. When it comes down to it, however, he clearly cares for Sakura. He just doesn't realise how much she relies on him for happiness (knowing Shirou, if he did, he'd never leave her side). Every time he tells her to go away and do something else, he's doing it for her benefit, because he thinks that she should stop spending her time coming over his house and helping him out, and go play with her friends instead (of course, she doesn't have any, but he doesn't know that...). Quote:
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You may see it as collection of random chance. I see it as something else entirely. Like I said, Shirou saw Saber beaten up by Berserker at the start of HF too but unlike Fate, did not go ape over Saber fighting afterwards. Why is that?
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2010-12-18, 15:46 | Link #3270 |
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I guess Shirou's feelings were stronger to Sakura then in the other routes.
Yes, Shirou was attracted to her in all routes. Same with Rin but both only develop into real love in their respective routes. Interestingly, in both Rin and Sakura's case Shirou suddenly admits that he loves them and that he had feelings for them for a while. Even before the start of FSN. Rin is the popular school idol whom everyone admired. Shirou's initial attractions is understandable. And Sakura were close to Shirou for 2 years plus like her sister, she's beautiful. Shirou being attracted to her is understandable again. |
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It is a lot harder than F/SN. Spoiler for Tsukihime:
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2010-12-19, 15:33 | Link #3276 | |
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Even if he did he wouldn't want to risk them involved in the dangerous life he wants to pursue nor does he believe he has the right to be happy I think Shirou at the begining of FSN is a blank page. So when he fell in love with Saber it's not that she kicked Sakura and Rin out of the running, they we're never in the running. Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2010-12-19 at 15:49. |
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Whilst Shirou would never have asked Sakura out without the events of HF, that's only because he's in denial over her feelings and she will most definitely not push it, because she thinks doing so will harm him. However, the feelings are most definitely there, it's just a question of whether some event happens to make him act on them, or whether he'll always think of her as a sister. |
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2010-12-19, 16:51 | Link #3278 | |
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Anyway the most important reason of all Shirou is a one woman man if he was in love with her conscious or not he would never go off with three different women depending on the situation and completely ignore his "feelings" for her without, not even single thought about it. I mean come on what do take him for? If his heart was so fickle why didn't he fall in love with Rin or Sakura when he wasn't aware he was in love with Saber or why is it implied that he never fell in love with anyone else after she left. Saying that he was always in love with her is basically the same as saying he didn't care much for her and has a fickle heart that falls in love random women certain situations. I mean if your right what exactly stops him from falling in love with another girl when sakura dies or even while she is alive something totally out of character for Shirou. Subconscious or not he generally goes after the women he has feelings for/loved. Why not Sakura? Last edited by Tenchi Hou Take; 2010-12-19 at 18:08. |
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2010-12-20, 07:06 | Link #3279 |
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Just so you know, that is pretty biased. Saying Shirou has always loved Sakura. In all of the routes, his feelings and experiences are slightly altered to point him in the route direction. In which case, Heaven's Feel is about Sakura; no mistake, he loved her as family. There is a fine line between family intimacy. (Example: Having a little sister to care for) and relationship intimacy (What he developed over time).
Saying what is canon is like saying "I'm right, your wrong. End of fucking story."... Which by the way, is pretty arrogant. Shirou's experiences and possible choices are what define him in all routes. |
2010-12-20, 07:25 | Link #3280 |
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Look, I'm not the one who came up with the story, Nasu did. Further, you have no evidence whatsoever for your assertion that Shirou's "feelings and experiences" were slightly altered depending on route (and, indeed, it totally contradicts the way the story is written, since it's possible to get most of the way onto the Sakura rotue and then stop at the end, and in the case of the Rin route, the choice that gets you onto it has notihng whatsoever to do with liking Rin (since you don't know who it is at that point)).
If you look at HF, it's clear that the point behind it is not that Shirou is developing feelings for Sakura, but that he is discovering them. Of course, you are right that having feelings for someone is not the same as actual romantic intimacy (which does indeed "develop" over the course of HF), but nevertheless the basic feelings that he has for Sakura (both the familial ones and the more erotic ones) are present at the start. Now, you can argue that he has a sexual attraction to Rin prior to the game, too, but there's no connection between them beyond that. With Sakura, it's clear from how their relationship is portrayed in HF that the basis for a Shirou x Sakura relationship is already fully-formed, it's just that neither of them really have the will to pursue those (Shirou is desperately trying to repress any sexual attraction he has to her because he thinks it's "wrong", and Sakura is not pursuing him because she thinks she's "not worthy" and because she knows that doing so will endanger him). Of course, post-UBW (and possibly post-Fate) any residual feelings he may have for Sakura will be buried beneath the feelings he has for the heroine, but that doesn't change the fact that they were there (and, really, if Shirou getting with Rin post-HF is plausible, then Shirou getting with Sakura post-UBW certainly is). |
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