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Da capo 2 was a split cour but still technically a 2 cour serie edit: 2008 had atleast 26 anime series that had either 2 cours (not counting the split cour series from 2007 like clannad) . That's atleast just as high or higher than 2007. Time to check 2009 and 2010 another edit: 2009 had atleast 22 2-cour series and atleast 2 split cour series. (not counting the split cour series from the previous year) late edit : the actual decline started in 2010 with atleast 14 2-cour series and atleast 3 split cour series. @westlo: after looking through wikipedia and checking every anime if it had atleast 2 cours for the past 5 years, i disagree with you that the last 18 months started was a good time for split and 2 cour shows. Because in 2011 there also weren't that many of those shows and most of them kept it safe with 1 cour shows. Last edited by hyl; 2012-06-18 at 16:11. |
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I ignored it because that wasn't part of your reply to me. It's also irrelevant to my point. As for whining, nope. I just point out fallacies when I see them, and I felt you were simply not addressing my points properly. You still aren't btw. My point in case which you still don't properly address is Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because other shows do it worse or do it better doesn't affect whether Fate/Zero doing it is right or not. Explain what you wrote above remotely logically refutes or corresponds to what you responded to. I'm sorry, it doesn't. Try again. I'll be waiting. I have no problem with being labeled a fool. But here I don't get it. Quote:
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Anyhow, all you've been doing in this particular responses is just throwing out your own preferences. Apparently your opinion is different. Cool. But the way you're doing it is hardly any fun. So please try to be more productive.
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On the other hand I like two cour because interrupting a really good story with a several month (or longer!) break really sucks. Yeah you can get back into it, and for people who marathon instead of watch weekly it's not really noticeable, but I personally don't like it. There's a lot of time investment in a two+ cour show, and the interruption means waiting even longer for the story to finish and it disrupts the immersion/flow of the narrative. Some stories can be told in arcs and so split works fine, but other stories need volumes and are better told as one narrative flow. In fact I'll push it farther. I wish anime companies would stop producing so much anime based on unfinished manga without bothering to create a good stopping point or non-asspull ending (yeah Claymore, I'm looking at you). It's not like the world lacks finished manga stories, and there are tons of cancelled/dropped stories that wouldn't be so bad to pick up and complete either. Many of them are quite popular in critical acclaim if not in sales. Yeah, I'm still waiting for my Record of a Fallen Vampire and Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer animes.
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An anime adaptation is also beneficial for the original source, because the anime could attract the anime viewers for the original work (like Hyouka, K-on, Uchuu kyoudai, etc. ) |
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I guess it depends on the series and the popularity and demand for an extension and continuation. I'll use IS and High School DxD as an example. They ended at 12 episode while there were over 3-4 volumes of material they could have covered for a 22-24 episode extension. Plus there have been high demand for a second season by fans, plus there have been rumors of a second season for those two. For now all we got were OAV's. One is a single episode continuation of where the anime left off ie. IS.
I think it comes down to series popularity, how it sells, and fan demand for how a series gets run by production time and value, but that's just me throwing stuff out there.
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Of course I think anyone would like to see the product here and now, but does it truly affect a show's momentum? I don't think it should unless the gap is necessarily large or something, but if something is of great quality it will speak for itself anyways. We live in an impatient society these days where we expect instant gratification and aren't willing to wait at all, I think a little patience would go a long way in enjoying things.
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2012-06-19, 21:48 | Link #48 |
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I still think there's a difference between split cour and separate seasons, but apparently, some in this thread do not.
It's hard to have a real discussion over this when people aren't even talking about the same thing.
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Split cour are 2cour shows with a break in the middle, that is there primarily for production issues like not being on schedule and needing to release badly done episodes/recaps, and releasing some stress from the animators that constantly work on the show. Shows with second seasons are shows that were produced as one cour and just one cour, and the producers, after seeing that they did well, arrange for a second season to de done. Sure, maybe the end result is almost the same, but there are notable differences like 2cours of the same show being confirmed from the start, while with the former method, the show needs to sell well to have another cour. |
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The main impact of this is that split cour shows generally will avoid the problem of anime original endings (for the 1st cour's last episode) that disrupt the core narrative. I have yet to see a split cour anime that had anything like the Shana 2 to Shana 3 transition issues, shall we say.
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Split cour shows are a two-cour show whose first half comes out three (in most cases) months ahead. It's not that a second half is delayed. If you have the "delay" mindset, you might end up getting a thing wrong.
Anyway, I'll write a list of pros and cons of split cour shows. Pros of split cour shows 1. You can deliver your two-cour shows as soon as possible, before customers' interest changes. In other words, you can deliver the first episode as many as three months earlier than those of standard two cour shows. 2. You can sell related merchandise for a longer term. Almost all anime goods go on sale one month after the anime starts to be aired, and disappear from the shops when once the anime is finished. Standard two cour shows, five months. Split cour shows, eight months. It's three month longer. 3. You can get another big advertisement chance. Second Season Announced! Cons of split cour shows 1. There is a great risk that viewers lose interest in the show during the break. As you see, whether it's split cour or not is a high-level decision. It has nothing to do with inferiors from a director to animators. If you ask me if the main goal of splitting cours is to resolve production issues and to improve the quality of a second half writing-wise and art-wise, I want to say "Hell no!" Apparently, no. According to Director Ishihara, he thought he might not be able to animate the whole of Clannad (including After Story), and that's why he inserted a shot from the last episode of After Story into the Clannad OP. When he was storyboarding the OP, he didn't get a green light to After Story. Can this be called a split cour show?
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I actually think there is less chance of fans losing interest with a split cour than a 2nd season.
With a split cour you can add to fan's excitement & anticipation that more is coming but with an unannounced 2nd season if you wait too long, fans might lose interest and move onto what is new & popular.
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Doesn't the only Manga/LN/etc. that DOES get animated these days based off of 97% of the time incomplete/on-going stuff?
I was looking through my MAL & most of them were either running beside their manga/LN counterpart during their air time. Many of them never got re-makes(Your sales have to be freaking huge to get one), Like: Claymore Gantz Beelzebub NEEDLESS Soul Eater Blue Exorcist Dusk Maiden of Amnesia The original FMA anime The original Hellsing anime The original Hunter x Hunter anime The original Berserk anime These animes could've been saved if they were Split-Cour in the first place. There are hundreds more everyone else could name, but these are the ones I got on my list right now. Also One Piece, Naruto, & some others wouldn't be as slow-paced/ have fillers if they were Split-Cour. I love Split-Cour because we won't get a filler ending(More likely chance anyway). Highschool of The Dead(Why the re-cap episode though?), Gintama, & Black Lagoon did the smart thing & backed off until they could get more content. Though doing Split-Cour for already completed content is petty dumb(Fate/Zero & Jormungand). |
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So even with a 3 month btreak , they will still get an anime original ending. Also it's not very smart to "split" the popular shounen jump animes (that are on going for a longer time) because they still get fairly high viwers ratings. Even the reruns and the filler episodes of those series are doing quite well. Also why do you think that splitting finished series is "pretty dumb"? Some people already commented that this was done out of production reasons, like maybe a shortage of staff or to use that beak as a means to maintain quality etc. |
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I'm sure if they can sit through fillers & crap, I'm pretty damn sure they'd still watch it if it went Split-Cour. They'd gripe about it and not like it, but they would still watch it. Of course the company wants to squeeze out money, so I don't blame them for running fillers & re-runs(If you're doing Split Cour, you should re-run your show before the Season Premiere anyway to snag more viewers). Alright, Productions reasons & all that stuff. My fault entirely for forgetting that. Last edited by The Butcher; 2012-06-20 at 18:09. |
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One of the most unusual examples that I know of is Aria the Animation and Aria the Natural, where you had a one-cour show, a sequel announcement, and a second two-cour show less than three months later. Obviously, it must not have been long into the first season when the decision was made because it's a lot of work to get a show ready that quickly. But I don't think in that case they necessarily intended for it to be "split-cour"... just they decided to just keep the production going. I suppose, just like the Clannad example, it can only happen when all the main staff are available and not already committed to something else... which may not always be possible or the case. So as for the specific example... I guess it's really debatable if it should count as split-cour. But given the fact that it had the same main staff and the two halves were essentially developed "back-to-back", I'd tend to think of that way even if the final decision hadn't been made before production began.
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Well, I was going to make a thread but it turns out Triple R beat me to the punch 3 years ago. XP
The reason I'm bumping this thread is that I want to bring everyone's attention to a little issue the Community Awards Group is having about whether or not to classify split cours as one whole season or two separate seasons for the AnimeSuki Choice Awards. Here's a link to the full discussion: http://forums.animesuki.com/group.ph...ussionid=19189 If anyone has any opinions they'd like to add, I'd appreciate it.
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You guys have been having problems with split cour only just now? I had to settle the matter like 5 years ago when they started to become REALLY popular, since I keep a list of shows where childhood friends win or don't win. Like it boggles my mind that the matter only came up now...
So for whatever it is worth, if there is a cour or more separating an episode, I personally count it as an entirely new show. That's the most simple way to do it, as I didn't want to have the headache to continually reupdate my list each time an old anime gets a new season/split season. I also don't see the need to segregate split cour with shows that do multiple seasons. So going by animesuki community awards standards, as long as the show ended by a certain time frame, then it should be eligible for ALL awards. There's the caveat though that if an anime with multiple seasons is nominated for that year, it should only be judged by the contents of that year alone. So for example, Red Head Snow White should be eligible for this year's awards, and going by the announcement, it should be eligible next year as well. Thing is, next year's awards Akagami should ONLY be judged by the content on that year alone, and the previous season should have absolutely no influence for people to vote it next time around. (Now enforcing this is a bit hard lol) So yes, I do believe people should be able to vote Akagami as say, best story of the year if indeed it was the best story that year. Because if it's good enough for people to actually love the story so much even though it didn't fully end, then why not let them vote? Just a disclaimer... I frigging hate Akagami no Shirayuki-hime. I personally think it's only slightly a cut above your usual shoujo, and it doesn't separate itself from all the shoujo manga I've read over the years. On top of my 'Hayamin hatred' bleeding over from OreGairu (been called out by my friends on this lol), and it being so 'damsel-in-distressy' for the 4 episodes I saw it, it pretty much fully embodied everything about the shoujo genre that ticked me off.
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