(L) RahXephon

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Forbin

Except you are wrong DragoZERO, that's not who you think that is. It's Rahxephon's spirit.

Sorry pal, but you are wrong in this case.

Originally Posted by Slick_rick

Spoiler for ending:

It's in the epilogue of the last episode of the series. You see Ayato meeting Haruka who introduces herself as Haruka Mishima, which was her last name before changing it to Shitow. Some people might have missed out on it if they didn't keep watching till after the credits.

Edit- Another clue to this fact is when Ixtli joins Terra she calls herself Haruka instead of Reika.

Spoiler for Ending:

Yeah. Reika's last name was 'Mishima' and we know that Haruka had her last name changed. We didn't find out her original name until that time when she first introduced herself to Ayato. So Ixtli took the image of Haruka and her name. Just changed the first name and the face. I would have to say it was changed because of the memory tampering done by his mother.

[SageGaiGar]

Spoiler for Ixtli:

'She' took the form of a younger Haruka because that is what/who Ayato desired most. Just as the form of the Ixtli of Quon's took the form of Ayato.

[Skyfall]

Originally Posted by Slick_rick

Spoiler for ending:

It's in the epilogue of the last episode of the series. You see Ayato meeting Haruka who introduces herself as Haruka Mishima, which was her last name before changing it to Shitow. Some people might have missed out on it if they didn't keep watching till after the credits.

Edit- Another clue to this fact is when Ixtli joins Terra she calls herself Haruka instead of Reika.

Spoiler for end:

Hm .... *scratches head*. My memory about this is so hazy i can't even seem to recall whether i watched the post-credit sequence or not Guess i should go back and rewatch the show at some point, it was a nicely twisted experience

[Forbin]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Sorry pal, but you are wrong in this case.

Spoiler for Ending:

Yeah. Reika's last name was 'Mishima' and we know that Haruka had her last name changed. We didn't find out her original name until that time when she first introduced herself to Ayato. So Ixtli took the image of Haruka and her name. Just changed the first name and the face. I would have to say it was changed because of the memory tampering done by his mother.

Hehe
You still got it wrong

Spoiler for For Yellow Dress:

Ayato has a MEMORY of a girl in a Yellow Dress..that's Haruka.
Ayato MET a girl in a yellow dress. That's Ixtili.(sp)
At the end of the movie Ayato draws a picture of a girl in a yellow dress, that's his daughter. (Sorta - is it really HIS daughter?)

BTW in the TV series Haruka NEVER told Ayato her last name. She told someone else, jumped in the plane and died.
She told him in the Movie...I think right before she slept with him?

So I can see where you made the slight mistake. But what you said and the person that Ayato was running around with are 2 different people.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by SageGaiGar

Spoiler for Ixtli:

'She' took the form of a younger Haruka because that is what/who Ayato desired most. Just as the form of the Ixtli of Quon's took the form of Ayato.

Good call. That would complete the explanation.

Originally Posted by Forbin

Hehe
You still got it wrong

Spoiler for For Yellow Dress:

Ayato has a MEMORY of a girl in a Yellow Dress..that's Haruka.
Ayato MET a girl in a yellow dress. That's Ixtili.(sp)
At the end of the movie Ayato draws a picture of a girl in a yellow dress, that's his daughter. (Sorta - is it really HIS daughter?)

BTW in the TV series Haruka NEVER told Ayato her last name. She told someone else, jumped in the plane and died.
She told him in the Movie...I think right before she slept with him?

So I can see where you made the slight mistake. But what you said and the person that Ayato was running around with are 2 different people.

Watch the end of the final episode again.

Spoiler for Ending:

We are shown the scene when Haruka and Ayato first meet and they introduce themselves to each other. It is then that Ayato learns Haruka's original name. And the girl in the painting is Haruka, not his daughter.

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by Forbin

Spoiler:

At the end of the movie Ayato draws a picture of a girl in a yellow dress, that's his daughter. (Sorta - is it really HIS daughter?)

That's kind of confusing. Are you talking about the movie or the TV series? The epilogues of both are significantly different from each other as both are also quite different in terms of plot and backstory.

Spoiler for epilogue of TV series:

An older Ayato, now married to Haruka, is seen painting a picture based on the first time the two met. At the time, Haruka Mishima was wearing a yellow dress. Reika takes this same image as her own based on Ayato's long-forgotten memories of Haruka.

In the epilogue of the TV series, Ayato and Haruka are of the same age, married to each other and are growing old together. In this new world, their daughter is Quon.

Spoiler for epilogue of the movie:

The epilogue is totally different from the TV series as is its resolution. With regard to the specifics, some discussion has already been made somewhere in this thread.

By this time, Ayato (human) has already passed away, and we see Haruka with her granddaughter who happens to resemble Reika in the same yellow dress. Haruka later on sees Ayato (Tuner of Time) and goes on a trip with him.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by kujoe

That's kind of confusing. Are you talking about the movie or the TV series? The epilogues of both are significantly different from each other as both are also quite different in terms of plot and backstory.

Spoiler for epilogue of TV series:

An older Ayato, now married to Haruka, is seen painting a picture based on the first time the two met. At the time, Haruka Mishima was wearing a yellow dress. Reika takes this same image as her own based on Ayato's long-forgotten memories of Haruka.

In the epilogue of the TV series, Ayato and Haruka are of the same age, married to each other and are growing old together. In this new world, their daughter is Quon.

Spoiler for epilogue of the movie:

The epilogue is totally different from the TV series as is its resolution. With regard to the specifics, some discussion has already been made somewhere in this thread.

By this time, Ayato (human) has already passed away, and we see Haruka with her granddaughter who happens to resemble Reika in the same yellow dress. Haruka later on sees Ayato (Tuner of Time) and goes on a trip with him.

Agree with the above. I like both endings, i like the movie more because of the sex scene.

[DragoZERO]

I really gotta watch the movie this weekend. haha.

[Forbin]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Just watched this anime, it was decent.

Spoiler for Ending:

Some parts were a little weird. I am glad we got a nice epilogue and found out that Haruka was the girl in the yellow dress, that was a nice touch.

Now.. is it worth watching the movie? AniDB says its a summary, so yeah.

BTW
1. The movie is almost completely different, key points are the same but the way to get there is different. You definitely find out that fact a lot sooner. I think we lose his brother in the movie. For example his sorta G/F dies exactly the same way in the movie. Quon is a lot less important and his mother more if I remember right.

2. My understanding of the TV show is that is his brother at the epilogue, not Ayato. Now I've got to watch it all over again.

3. If you are talking about his memory, that answer above is correct, but he was running around with a girl in a Yellow dress and it wasn't her.

[Kikuchi]

Originally Posted by Forbin

=2. My understanding of the TV show is that is his brother at the epilogue, not Ayato. Now I've got to watch it all over again.

Nay, he looks and talks like his brother, but what do you expect when they're twins ?

Haruka's husband in the TV series epilogue is definitely Ayato.

[Magin]

Originally Posted by kujoe

Spoiler for epilogue of the movie:

The epilogue is totally different from the TV series as is its resolution. With regard to the specifics, some discussion has already been made somewhere in this thread.

By this time, Ayato (human) has already passed away, and we see Haruka with her granddaughter who happens to resemble Reika in the same yellow dress. Haruka later on sees Ayato (Tuner of Time) and goes on a trip with him.

Spoiler for movie ending:

wait... I thought that in the movie, Ayato and the other Tuner (Ixtli? I forget) said that Ayato could no longer remain on Earth and had to take his place as a Guardian/Watcher, but that they were going to fast-forward time and give Haruka the memories she should've had with him? Also, are you sure that Haruka goes on a trip? Because I'm sure that Reika was saying something like "grandmother probably wandered off again", but if she does in fact go on a trip, then I think I might like the movie a little more (seeing as how they killed the other beautiful ending of the TV series.

@forbin
That's definitely Ayato. I believe Haruka even says "Ayato"

Spoiler for just in case...:

besides, the fact that him and the other guy are brothers is the reason that Haruka dated the other guy at one point, trying to replace him with Ayato... but all was worked out in the end

Dammit, now I'm wanting to go back through this series again

[kujoe]

Originally Posted by Magin

Spoiler for movie ending:

wait... I thought that in the movie, Ayato and the other Tuner (Ixtli? I forget) said that Ayato could no longer remain on Earth and had to take his place as a Guardian/Watcher, but that they were going to fast-forward time and give Haruka the memories she should've had with him? Also, are you sure that Haruka goes on a trip? Because I'm sure that Reika was saying something like "grandmother probably wandered off again", but if she does in fact go on a trip, then I think I might like the movie a little more (seeing as how they killed the other beautiful ending of the TV series.

Spoiler:

In the end of the movie, Ayato takes his place as the Observer of Time. (My mistake, it's not Tuner of Time.) Prior to this, he asks Haruka what is it she wishes for. The question revolves around the theme of memories and time, and faced with this question Haruka asks for a lifetime (memories) of the two of them having lived on together. Ayato, who's basically a god of sorts at this point, grants her wish.

The epilogue shows a Buddhist altar and a memory tablet dedicated to Ayato (the human in Haruka's new time) who has already passed away. Haruka is reading a book to her granddaughter Reika entitled, Through the Looking-Glass. Reika asks whether the main character's experience in the story is just a dream or reality. Haruka answers, that as long as the character remembers, it is reality to her. This goes in line with the resolution from earlier.

Before Haruka goes on a trip she finds Ayato, now the Observer of Time, appearing before her. She doesn't even seem surprised, and together the two embark on some journey. When Reika comes back, she finds that her grandmother has wandered off again, hinting that she has done this before.


It's important to note that Ayato at the end of movie practically ascends into some sort of godhood, hence his seemingly omnipresent portrayal at the end. This ending is in contrast to the Ayato at the end of the TV series, who resets and unites (or tunes) the human world and Mu world together.

[Kizer]

while it's not one of my favorite series, I defiantly liked it more then Evangelion. I just found the characters more bearable.

[DragoZERO]

Well, just watched the movie. I prefer the TV ending over the movie's.

[Tiamat's Disciple]

I prefer the novel over both TV or movie

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Tiamat's Disciple

I prefer the novel over both TV or movie

TV series for me, though i can say i'm highly enjoying the novel adaptation.

[Tiamat's Disciple]

Thing i'm liking about the novel is that it's more indepth, we getting more of what people think and feel. And for some character, Quon, i find that a blessing

[kujoe]

I heard that the novel is closer to the movie in terms of story. Sounds good enough, except a review I read criticizes how bad the localization was. Then again, this is just a review of the first novel. It probably also reads better in Japanese, but I'm not interested enough to go through that.

Personally, I prefer the series as well. The movie version is interesting due to how it presents Haruka's perspective, but I think the series just has more meat to its story.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Tiamat's Disciple

Thing i'm liking about the novel is that it's more indepth, we getting more of what people think and feel. And for some character, Quon, i find that a blessing

Yeah. This is one of those stories where being inside the characters head works wonders for the story. I should get back to reading the novel sometime this week.

Originally Posted by kujoe

I heard that the novel is closer to the movie in terms of story.

Naah. It's the adaptation of the TV series.

[Tiamat's Disciple]

Originally Posted by kujoe

I heard that the novel is closer to the movie in terms of story. Sounds good enough, except a review I read criticizes how bad the localization was. Then again, this is just a review of the first novel. It probably also reads better in Japanese, but I'm not interested enough to go through that.

It wasn't a bad localisation that ruins the first volume, but a seriously bad editing and qcing. That said it's still an excellent read, but you will have to work on it, it's not a quick or light read.