2011-02-06, 21:09 | Link #11881 |
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United States urge orderly transition in Egypt; protestors vow to continue on.
NYTimes puts America's reaction in context. The great irony is that Democracy in the Middle East means regimes and viewpoints that the United States find harder to deal with than allied dictators, and that the policy the United States holds on for too long is rife with a history of failures and resentment. There is a downside to realpolitik. If you're cynical yourself, don't ever hope for gratitude. When Iranians rose up against a US ally they cried foul and terror; when they rose up against a US enemy they sang pretty songs of freedom; when Egyptians rise up they urge another strongman to take the old one's place, in the name of "moderation." Regardless of my government's cowardice, I wish the Egyptian people the best. |
2011-02-06, 21:12 | Link #11882 | |
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How then, will China react to this...? The Euro ALMOST made it. But with the PIIGS, things got really problematic. If anything, it needs to drop all its peripheral Eurozone members, and increase trade with China.
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2011-02-06, 21:19 | Link #11883 |
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China could try a trade embargo on the United States...that would cause a minor depression until American corperations can rebuilt the industries they shipped over to China in the first place. That is, if the corperations even care or are even effected by one nation or another at all. For all we know such a thing won't matter to the large international corperations since they'll just increase the price a little and ship it vai other routes instead.
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2011-02-06, 21:33 | Link #11884 | |
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2011-02-06, 21:50 | Link #11886 |
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The US would require considerable time and money (it currently doesn't have) to overcome a trade war with China.
I'm not saying the US couldn't do it, but it would certainly be painful economically.
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2011-02-06, 21:58 | Link #11887 | |
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As in, add them together. For now, India can only operate at 1/2 of China's strength, but Vietnam, surprisingly, can muster about 10% of China. Not enough yet, but the rest will have to be brought back into the US or developed in India.
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2011-02-06, 22:10 | Link #11888 |
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I know a few South Vietnamese that are just waiting for the current government system to fall, then head for home to rebuild. They figure it will happen eventually. As for them working together...depends. I know Vietnamese don't like muslims all that much. Aside from that they might work with other groups though.
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2011-02-06, 22:26 | Link #11889 | ||
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In the meantime, China has been making increasingly strident calls for an alternative global reserve currency. To this end, it has been carefully experimenting with the launch of yuan-denominated assets, both shares and bonds, in Hong Kong. I haven't been keeping track, but I won't be surprised to find government-linked investment arms diversifying their holdings to include other currencies and reduce dependency on the US dollar. Quote:
Who doesn't want to trade with China, or to invest in it, nowadays? The problem doesn't lie the lack of desire, but in a range of fiscal and trade barriers. All that, plus the hidden costs of doing business in China, arising from red tape, corruption and industrial espionage. |
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The current Vietnam was formed in 1975, and Doi moi, the reform of the communist-socialist economy into a "socialist-orientated market economy" (read: state capitalism) was begun in 1986. Evidently, Vietnam is more responsive and faster to restructure its economy than China. So Vietnam is still well-poised into the years ahead. Eventually, it'll become to China what Taiwan is to Japan: a buffer zone of growth that keeps the larger economy afloat by trade. Also, it is interesting to note that the Southern Vietnamese are not ALL in favor of seperation. It's more of a core-peripheral issue: Ho Chi Minh City (HCMC) is the financial and trade capital of Vietnam, and is where most of the economic growth is centered upon (Walmart-like complexes are sprouting in the outer districts, while the inner city is markedly more modern as compared to Hanoi). Hanoi, on the other hand, is the political capital. Bascially, it's the old New York-DC question. HCMC people are wondering why they're losing so blinking much tax revenue to Hanoi, which effectively restricts their own growth (example: there's a planned urban rail system planned in HCMC, but Hanoi isn't too keen - it doesn't have one), and they ask if it's feasible to secede. Problem is, it can't. It still needs the sheer grit of Hanoi, as well as its protection. Also, by NOT having a political role, it can concern itself with trade, and reduce further population and traffic (see: KL, and why the Malaysian executive moved out to Putrajaya). Quote:
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1. I didn't say the Euro was dead, I said it needs to drop peripheral members. 2.Clearly, I see Japan is being dumb as usual: it doesn't do that much trade with the EU, unlike China. Surely the funds could be used to reignite the Japanese economy - by adopting a Scandic welfare system, which will then allow people to have one less burden. Quote:
Guess we need a official translator if the Commonwealth of Nations-China trade talks are going to go anywhere...
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2011-02-06, 22:33 | Link #11891 |
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Trade with China is not a new thing at all...if fact it has been a constant for several thousand years. All the changes are the products and who has the red tape, corruption, and industrial espionage.
Secede? As in South Vietnam becoming a country again? No, no. The South Vietnamese are waiting for Hanoi's government to fall, or at least drop from its own form of communism and then return home as a single Vietnam....just one that is more in line with their own views of things rather than what they considered the communist way of things. Also from what I understand the locals still call it Saigon in their own little definace to Hanoi (sort of like how people still call Cesar Chavez Street, "Army Street" in San Francisco..including in partcular the Hospital on that street...since it still shows its address as 3555 Army Street on the side of it.)
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2011-02-06, 22:39 | Link #11892 | |
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It would seem the Chinese are fueling the "brush-fires" of Africa to fatten their coffers. http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/p...o_intimidation Food for thought.
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Not too long ago, that was the US' job.
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The USSR was guilty of it as well. I guess Lord Acton was right?
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2011-02-06, 22:58 | Link #11896 | |
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I think it's MOTHER RUSSIA we need to look at.
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2011-02-06, 23:08 | Link #11897 | |
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2011-02-07, 00:40 | Link #11898 |
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Can someone from Thailand or Cambodia shed light on exactly why this can't be worked out in a sharing agreement instead of shooting at each other? Sounds like a testosterone waving problem?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12378987
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