The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[Cat Megex]

Originally Posted by otai

The creepy horror tone of the series continues to please. Can anything stop the demons? Who're you gonna call?

Demonbusters?

[Jintor]

Dambusters?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7zJPvIvDQ4

[Tyabann]

WHY IS THIS PLACE SO SLOW

Anyway, some more VN content, enjoy, even though half of them are Jintor's stuff.

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: Library-You Okay?:

You Okay?


Kyon: I'm worried about Nagato. Is she really okay after everything that's happened?

Itsuki: She should be perfectly alright, but if you wish to locate her at present, there is an increased probability of her presence at the school library.

Kyon: Do you really need to speak all tangled up like that?

Itsuki: Well, I could have said "book repository". I'll see you tomorrow, I suppose.


The echoing sound of Koizumi's footsteps disappears into the distance as I leave the clubroom, heaving my backpack onto my shoulders. Now, which way was it to the library again...?

[Scene: School Library, Afternoon]

This is the school's library, a concrete building almost always devoid of people. Not that they don't have a good selection, but most students prefer to do other things than read.

I haven't been in here for a while, myself. This is the most widely used area, the computer labs, but I can't see Nagato anywhere. She's not in the graphic novel or the general fiction areas, either. Where could she be?

I finally track her down, deep within the dustier parts of the library. As I expected, she's seated on a chair, silently reading a huge tome.


Kyon: Ah, there you are, Nagato!

Yuki: ...

Kyon: Ah, um...


It's hard to concentrate on what you're trying to say when she looks at you like that.


Kyon: What are you reading, Nagato?


She merely lifts the huge book up to show me the cover. It looks incredibly dense. The title means nothing to me.

After holding it up for a moment, she lowers it to her lap again, and bends her head towards it. She doesn't look up.


Kyon: I... see. Look, Nagato, ah... do you feel alright? After everything that has happened?

Yuki: I am... fine.

Kyon: Even after experiencing all five-hundred-something loops and reiterations of the last two weeks?

Yuki: ...There is no need for concern.


Indeed, she does look better than she did during the last summer that I can recall. The difference would only be apparent if you were looking for it, but she seems - less bored.


Yuki: We have escaped the chronological infinite loop. Any causes of adverse behaviour on my part have been removed. Any observed adverse behaviour has ceased to occur.

Kyon: That may be all and well, but - well - you okay?

Yuki: I... I am...


For a moment, her eyes flicker towards me, her face seeming to soften slightly, to lose her emotionless edge. But then...


Yuki: ...I am fine. There is no need for concern.


...the barrier is up again, her firewall from the world.


Kyon: Well, if you're sure.

Yuki: Do not worry about me.

Kyon: Absolutely certain?

Yuki: Yes.

Kyon: ...Alright.

Yuki: Do you have any other queries?

Kyon: ...Not right now. I'll, ah, leave you to it then.

Yuki: ...


I leave Nagato behind in the tomb of unread words known as the 'Non-Fiction Section' of the library. If Nagato says she's fine, then she's probably fine...

But I can't help wondering about that slight sense of boredom I remember feeling, back in the summer. Entire lifetimes were spent swimming, fishing, eating, following Haruhi's absurd orders, and Nagato remembers every.

Single.

Time.

As I walk towards my home, bag slung tiredly over my shoulders, I ponder the silent girl I've just farewelled. Certainly, Nagato seems alright, but... perhaps her definition of 'alright' differs from my own.

Or maybe I'm just worrying too much.

I suppose it could go either way.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: My Room: Existentialism- Another World:

Existentialism- Another World


Kyon: I've lived through more summers than I care to remember. I'm going home to rest...

Itsuki: That's fair enough. Goodbye for now, then.


I can hear Koizumi whistling as I exit the clubroom, taking the stairs down to the ground floor. It's been a long five-hundred or so years - I think I'll take a nap when I get back...

[Scene- My Room]

Unfortunately, I can't sleep.

The train of thought that began its gestation during the poker game has continued to worm its way through my brain, coming to further, startling conclusions.

Long ago, back when I first met her, Haruhi mentioned “sliders” as one of the groups that she wanted to meet.

As of today, no slider has yet appeared.

Back when I traveled through time with Asahina-san to three years ago, I truthfully admitted to Haruhi's younger self that I hadn't met any sliders.

...How much of an effect on her did my words really have? Did I, by saying those words, annihilate the possibility of sliders, and thus alternate realities, from even existing?

...

No, that's impossible. I think she would have believed in sliders no matter what I said, or she wouldn't have mentioned them in her class introduction.

Then that begs the question: Why haven't any appeared yet?

Maybe they, unlike the other three groups, are playing it safe. They want to see what she's truly capable of before they make their move.

I guess that makes sense?

But if the sliders wanted to send a representative eventually, and they're from an alternate world, what would they be like? Would they be another version of someone I know?

Maybe it'd be a smart Taniguchi, or a bold, assertive Computer Society President? It could be an older version of my sister... that would be odd.

Hell, it could even be another version of me.

...

For some reason, the words “John Smith” rang through my head at just that moment. I feel I'm going to regret saying that, eventually.

But this is an interesting thing to think about. If there are infinite alternate universes, any different version of myself I could imagine is true, somewhere.

A version of myself with glasses?

A version of myself that's short?

A version of myself that's a girl-- no, this is stupid.

This must be the sort of thing Haruhi thinks about all the time. No wonder she's so--

No, no, I refuse to believe that Haruhi wonders what it would be like if I was a girl.

“This world moves according to the desires of Haruhi Suzumiya”, right? DING!

Gaaaah, I don't want to think about this anymore.

I pull the pillow over my head and try to sleep until dinnertime.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: Way Home- Dr. Itsuki's Prescription:

Dr. Itsuki's Prescription


Kyon: We'll talk as we walk, alright? There's still some things I want to discuss.

Itsuki: Oh? Am I that interesting?

Kyon: It's not about you, moron. It's about Suzumiya.

Itsuki: What, you only want to talk shop? A pity. Hang on a moment and let me get my bag...


I head off down the stairs, Koizumi trailing behind. Sometimes it's good to have him around, if only because he's the closest thing to 'normal' I can get, if I want to discuss Haruhi with someone.

...of course, 'normal' is relative.


[Scene: Streets of Nishinomiya, Afternoon]


Kyon: So do you think that thing you suggested would have actually worked?

Itsuki: What 'thing' would this be, then?


We're on our way to our respective houses - assuming Koizumi lives in a normal house with a normal family, and not in some fully-equipped Agency safehouse - discussing ways to placate a rampaging God.


Kyon: You know. All that... 'hug her from behind, whisper I love you' stuff.

Itsuki: Ah, that which we discussed on Nagato-san's rooftop.

Kyon: Well?

Itsuki: Why do you wish to know?


A good question. Why do I wish to know?


Itsuki: I suppose, to an extent, it's because you want to know if something so-

Kyon: -so fairytale can truly be the solution to all our problems.


Koizumi looks at me wearing that smile of his, although he doesn't really seem to be putting much effort into it. I assume it's some kind of reflex, and he does his best acting for Haruhi's benefit.


Itsuki: Hmmm. It would probably have worked in the then-present situation, yes. To be honest, the shock of it would probably solve any problem of Suzumiya-san's doing we care to name.

Kyon: It's a trump card, then.

Itsuki: Certainly, a sudden, unexpected kiss is a trump card. But it could also be a nuclear missile. There is no absolute guarantee of what would happen.

Kyon: Well, what do you advise? Do you have a long-term method of containment, besides dealing with every single incident as it happens?


I realize suddenly that I am alone, and turn around. Koizumi has stopped walking alongside myself, and is instead staring up at the orange-red sky.


Itsuki: ...as your good friend and a fully qualified love-doctor, I prescribe a long-term sustainable relationship-

Kyon: ...forget it.

Itsuki: Hah. I suspected you might react that way.


He smiles at me, a ghost of his usual smile, somehow empty.


Itsuki: Well, I can but hope that you change your mind someday. It's the easiest and... most preferable solution for all of us, I believe.

Kyon: I don't think that second part applies to me. And I would probably feel somewhat, ah, used.

Itsuki: ...I think, at the end of the day, we're all being used in some fashion.


And with that mysterious line, Koizumi fell silent. I had nothing left to say, so we walked until the place where we had to separate, at which point he bid me farewell, and left.

As with almost all conversations I have had with Koizumi, I was feeling somewhat lost and confused. That last line of his was particularly curious.

So even Koizumi feels that way, sometimes, too...?

Bah. I think too much lately.

I hop on my bike, which I had been wheeling along, and head for home.

Maybe I can catch a quick nap before dinner.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: Corridor- So Confused:

So Confused


Kyon: I might go find Asahina-san, she'll cheer me right up... if I can remember her classroom...

Itsuki: Ah, I know that one. She's in 2-3... or was it 2-6? Maybe, uh, 2-9... hmmm.

Kyon: That's not too helpful.

Itsuki: Well, I am allowed to forget things once in a while. I wish you luck on your search; I'll see you tomorrow.


Koizumi wanders off to wherever it is that he goes when not attempting to contain Haruhi's wild imagination, leaving me lost in this maze of corridors. Where is Asahina-san's classroom? Sometimes our school just feels way too big.

[Scene: Corridor]

I'm in the corridor with the second-year classrooms. It's only now that I realize an important fact:

I can't remember ever having been to Asahina-san's classroom.

No wonder I don't remember which one it was!

This is beginning to be too much trouble, and my brain is tired. I could check every single classroom, but that'd be a bother and I want to go home.

Koizumi said it was either Class 2-3, 2-6, or 2-9... Which one is it?

[DECISION POINT HERE]

1)It was class 2-6.
2)It was class 2-3.
3)It was class 2-9.


I Give Up (I)

I guess it must be Class 2-6. Six is a nice number, so it suits Asahina-san very well.

I think.

As I look inside though, I can't see her, only a small group of students talking in a corner. As I enter, they stop chattering, and look at me in unison.

This is awkward.


Kyon: Uh... hi.


I quickly back out of the room and close the door.

Gah, that went nowhere. Why am I even doing this?

A quick nap at home will ease my mind a lot more than Asahina-san's beautiful smile will at this point, no offense to her.

I'll just--

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


Glowing Smile

Class 2-3 seems a likely guess. It was the first thing to come to Koizumi's mind, and despite all that guy's faults, I do respect his recall memory.

I guess.

And my faith is rewarded as I slide open the door of Class 2-3, for there, cleaning the blackboard, is the vision of loveliness herself!

...I don't even know what I'm saying, sometimes.

She looks up as I open the door, and her cute face breaks into a smile, like the first glow of sunshine at daybreak.


Mikuru: Hello, Kyon-kun.


Ah, her voice makes me feel better already.


Kyon: Hello, Asahina-san.

Mikuru: What are you doing here, Kyon-kun?

Kyon: No real reason. I had some time after school, so I thought I'd come talk with you for a bit.


Asahina-san looks happy, but then her expression wavers her eyes dart towards the door.


Mikuru: But... um... w-what about Suzumiya-san? What if she...


No need to worry about that, as Haruhi's already gone home. Besides, do you really think she's so concerned about what you do as to hide outside your classroom.


Mikuru: W-well, um, as you can see, I'm on cleaning duty, so...

Kyon: Ah, well, don't worry about it, I'll help as much as I can!


Thanks to my expert help, the cleanup went quickly, even though we talked quite a bit while doing so.

Although... I don't see why she didn't do this earlier, or why there wasn't anyone assigned to help her...

...Could she have been abandoned by her partner!? How dare someone be cruel to Asahina-san!


IF RoutesCompleted >=1 THEN

[DECISION POINT HERE]

1)Asahina-san, who was supposed to be on duty with you today?
2)No matter, she has me to help her now.


Glowing Smile [Extended Dialogue]


Kyon: Who was it that was supposed to help you with cleaning duty, Asahina-san?

Mikuru: Eh? Oh, it was, uh, my friend, Tsuruya-san. Do you remember her?


...Odd.

I remember meeting her at that baseball game, but, for some reason, I remember something about my dream last night.

Green fields and... a girl with long hair?


Kyon: Yeah, yeah I remember Tsuruya-san. She ditched you? That doesn't seem like her.


Not that I have the authority to comment on something like that.


Mikuru: She said she'd be a little while, so I should wait for her, but... she never came back, so I had to do this by myself.

Kyon: Huh, really? That's kind of strange.


Well, it's not really my business, so I guess I'll finish up here and walk home with Asahina-san, which is more than reward enough for my hard work.

[Scene: Streets of Nishinomiya]

Unfortunately, my dream of walking home with Asahina-san had to be cut short, as she goes in the opposite direction from me at the bottom of the hill.

Curses!


Mikuru: Bye bye, Kyon-kun! See you tomorrow!


Of course, the sight of her smile and cute parting wave are enough to send me off full of energy. It was such a good idea to go see Asahina-san. I'm so proud of myself.

I unlock my bike and head for home. Guess there's no point in taking nap when it's so close to dinnertime.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


ELSE

It doesn't really matter, she has me to help her now.

Besides, it's not really my business, so I guess I'll finish up here and walk home with Asahina-san, which is more than reward enough for my hard work.

[Scene: Streets of Nishinomiya]

Unfortunately, my dream of walking home with Asahina-san had to be cut short, as she goes in the opposite direction from me at the bottom of the hill.

Curses!


Mikuru: Bye bye, Kyon-kun! See you tomorrow!


Of course, the sight of her smile and cute parting wave are enough to send me off full of energy. It was such a good idea to go see Asahina-san. I'm so proud of myself.

I unlock my bike and head for home. Guess there's no point in taking nap when it's so close to dinnertime.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


I Give Up (II)

Class 2-9 is in the sciences department, but I actually don't know whether Asahina-san is a science student or not.

I doubt it, but it can't hurt to check.

However, all I find as I open the door is a couple embracing.


Kyon:...


They're too busy to notice me.

I quickly back out of the room and close the door.

Well, that was awkward. Why am I even doing this?

A quick nap at home will ease my mind a lot more than Asahina-san's beautiful smile will at this point, no offense to her.

I'll just--

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

I'll work on Universe A tomorrow.

[Mimir]

By the way, what tools do you use in scripting the VN? Ren'Py?

[WordShaker]

I'm absolutely certain that Danchou said he was using Ren'py.

[Jintor]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I'll work on Universe A tomorrow.

And I'll edit tommorrow!

Time to go out and get drunk!

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Jintor

Time to go out and get drunk!

Enjoy yourself.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: Way Home- Dr. Itsuki's Prescription:

Itsuki: ...I think, at the end of the day, we're all being used in some fashion.

I don't know why, but this reminds me that I never finished Final Fantasy Tactics...

Anyway, you probably need to close some italics tags in that part.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

Anyway, you probably need to close some italics tags in that part.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Jintor]

Urgh my head hurts.

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: Library-You Okay?:

You Okay?


Kyon: I'm worried about Nagato. Is she really okay after everything that's happened?

Itsuki: She should be perfectly alright, but if you wish to locate her at present, there is an increased probability of her presence at the school library.

Kyon: Do you really need to speak all tangled up like that?

Itsuki: Well, I could have said "book repository". I'll see you tomorrow, I suppose.


The echoing sound of Koizumi's footsteps disappears into the distance as I leave the clubroom, heaving my backpack onto my shoulders. Now, which way was it to the library again...?

---

[Scene: School Library, Afternoon]

This is the school's library, a concrete building almost always devoid of people. Not that they don't have a good selection, but most students prefer to do other things than read.

I haven't been in here for a while, myself. This is the most widely used area, the computer labs, but I can't see Nagato anywhere. She's not in the graphic novel or the general fiction areas, either. Where could she be?

I finally track her down, deep within the dustier parts of the library. As I expected, she's seated on a chair, silently reading a huge tome.


Kyon: Ah, there you are, Nagato!

Yuki: ...

Kyon: Ah, um...


It's hard to concentrate on what you're trying to say when she looks at you like that.


Kyon: What are you reading, Nagato?


She merely lifts the huge book up to show me the cover. It looks incredibly dense. The title means nothing to me.

After holding it up for a moment, she lowers it to her lap again, and bends her head towards it. She doesn't look up.


Kyon: I... see. Look, Nagato, ah... do you feel alright? After everything that's happened?

Yuki: I am... fine.

Kyon: Even after experiencing all five-hundred-something loops and reiterations of the last two weeks?

Yuki: ...There is no need for concern.


Indeed, she does look better than she did during the last summer that I can recall. The difference would only be apparent if you were looking for it, but she seems - less bored.


Yuki: We have escaped the chronological infinite loop. Any causes of adverse behaviour on my part have been removed. Any observed adverse behaviour has ceased to occur.

Kyon: That may be all and well, but - well, uh - you okay?

Yuki: I... I am...


For a moment, her eyes flicker towards me, her face seeming to soften slightly, to lose her emotionless edge. But then...


Yuki: ...I am fine. There is no need for concern.


...the barrier is up again, her firewall from the world.


Kyon: Well, if you're sure.

Yuki: Do not worry about me.

Kyon: Absolutely certain?

Yuki: Yes.

Kyon: ...Alright.

Yuki: Do you have any other queries?

Kyon: ...Not right now. I'll, ah, leave you to it then.

Yuki: ...


I leave Nagato behind in the tomb of unread words known as the 'Non-Fiction Section' of the library. If Nagato says she's fine, then she's probably fine...

But I can't help wondering about that slight sense of boredom I remember feeling, back in the summer. Entire lifetimes were spent swimming, fishing, eating, following Haruhi's absurd orders, and Nagato remembers every.

Single.

Time.

As I walk towards my home, bag slung casually over my shoulders, I ponder the silent girl I've just farewelled. Certainly, Nagato seems alright, but... perhaps her definition of 'alright' differs from my own.

Or maybe I'm just worrying too much.

I suppose it could go either way.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: My Room: Existentialism- Another World:

Existentialism- Another World


Kyon: I've lived through more summers than I care to remember. I'm going home to rest...

Itsuki: That's fair enough. Goodbye for now, then.


I can hear Koizumi whistling as I exit the clubroom, taking the stairs down to the ground floor. It's been a long five-hundred or so years - I think I'll take a nap when I get back...

[Scene- My Room]

Unfortunately, I can't sleep.

The train of thought that began its gestation during the poker game has continued to worm its way through my brain, coming to further, startling conclusions (and further, mixed metaphors).

Long ago, in her original self-introduction to the class - the first time I met her - Haruhi mentioned “sliders” as one of the groups that she wanted to meet.

And yet, no slider has yet appeared.

Back when I traveled through time with Asahina-san to three years ago, I truthfully admitted to Haruhi's younger self that I hadn't met any sliders.

...How much of an effect on her did my words really have? Did I, by saying those words, annihilate the possibility of sliders, and thus alternate realities, from even existing?

...

No, that's impossible. I think she would have believed in sliders no matter what I said, or she wouldn't have mentioned them in her class introduction.

Then that begs the question: Why haven't any appeared yet?

Maybe they, unlike the other three groups, are playing it safe. They want to see what she's truly capable of before they make their move.

I guess that makes sense?

But if the sliders wanted to send a representative eventually, and they're from an alternate world, what would they be like? Would they be another version of someone I know?

Maybe it'd be a smart Taniguchi, or a bold, assertive Computer Society President? It could be an older version of my sister... that would be odd.

Hell, it could even be another version of me.

...

For some reason, the words “John Smith” echo through my mind. I feel I'm going to regret saying that, eventually.

But this is an interesting thing to think about. If there are infinite alternate universes, any different version of myself I could imagine is true, somewhere.

A version of myself with glasses?

A version of myself that's short?

A version of myself that's a girl- no, this is stupid.

This must be the sort of thing Haruhi thinks about all the time. No wonder she's so-

No, no, I refuse to believe that Haruhi wonders what it would be like if I was a girl.

“This world moves according to the desires of Haruhi Suzumiya”, right?

Gaaaah, I don't want to think about this anymore.

I pull the pillow over my head and try to get some sleep until it's time for dinner.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: Way Home- Dr. Itsuki's Prescription:

Dr. Itsuki's Prescription


Kyon: We'll talk as we walk, alright? There's still some things I want to discuss.

Itsuki: Oh? Am I that interesting?

Kyon: It's not about you, moron. It's about Suzumiya.

Itsuki: What, you only want to talk shop? A pity. Hang on a moment and let me get my bag...


I head off down the stairs, Koizumi trailing behind. Sometimes it's good to have him around, if only because he's the closest thing to 'normal' I can get, if I want to discuss Haruhi with someone.

...of course, 'normal' is relative.


[Scene: Streets of Nishinomiya, Afternoon]


Kyon: So do you think that thing you suggested would have actually worked?

Itsuki: What 'thing' would this be, then?


We're on our way to our respective houses - assuming Koizumi lives in a normal house with a normal family, and not in some fully-equipped Agency safehouse - discussing ways to placate a rampaging God.


Kyon: You know. All that... 'hug her from behind, whisper I love you' stuff.

Itsuki: Ah, that which we discussed on Nagato-san's rooftop.

Kyon: Well?

Itsuki: Why do you wish to know?


A good question. Why do I want to know?


Itsuki: I suppose, to an extent, it's because you want to know if something so-

Kyon: -so fairytale can truly be the solution to all our problems.


Koizumi looks at me wearing that smile of his, although he doesn't really seem to be putting much effort into it. I assume it's some kind of reflex, and he does his best acting for Haruhi's benefit.


Itsuki: Hmmm. It would probably have worked in the then-present situation, yes. To be honest, the shock of it would probably solve any problem of Suzumiya-san's doing we care to name.

Kyon: It's a trump card, then.

Itsuki: Certainly, a sudden, unexpected kiss is a trump card. But it could also be a nuclear missile. There is no absolute guarantee of what would happen.

Kyon: Well, what do you advise? Do you have a long-term method of containment, besides dealing with every single incident as it happens?


I realize suddenly that I am alone, and turn around. Koizumi has stopped walking alongside myself, and is instead staring up at the orange-red sky.


Itsuki: ...as your good friend and a fully qualified love-doctor, I prescribe a long-term sustainable relationship-

Kyon: ...forget it.

Itsuki: Hah. I suspected you might react that way.


He smiles at me, a ghost of his usual smile, somehow empty.


Itsuki: Well, I can but hope that you change your mind someday. It's the easiest and... most preferable solution for all of us, I believe.

Kyon: I don't think that second part applies to me. And I would probably feel somewhat, ah, used.

Itsuki: ...I think, at the end of the day, we're all being used in some fashion.


And with that mysterious line, Koizumi fell silent. I had nothing left to say, so we walked until the place where we had to separate, at which point he bid me farewell, and left.

As with almost all conversations I have had with Koizumi, I was feeling somewhat lost and confused. That last line of his was particularly curious.

So even Koizumi feels that way, sometimes, too...?

Bah. I think too much lately.

I hop on my bike, which I had been wheeling along, and head for home.

Maybe I can catch a quick nap before dinner.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: Corridor- So Confused:

So Confused


Kyon: I might go find Asahina-san, she'll cheer me right up... if I can remember her classroom...

Itsuki: Ah, I know that one. She's in 2-3... or was it 2-6? Maybe, uh, 2-9... hmmm.

Kyon: That's not too helpful.

Itsuki: Well, I am allowed to forget things once in a while. I wish you luck on your search; I'll see you tomorrow.


Koizumi wanders off to wherever it is that he goes when not attempting to contain Haruhi's wild imagination, leaving me lost in this maze of corridors. Where is Asahina-san's classroom? Sometimes our school just feels way too big.

[Scene: Corridor]

I'm in the corridor with the second-year classrooms. It's only now that I realize an important fact:

I can't remember ever having been to Asahina-san's classroom.

No wonder I don't remember which one it was!

This is beginning to be too much trouble, and my brain is tired. I could check every single classroom, but that'd be a bother and I want to go home.

Koizumi said it was either Class 2-3, 2-6, or 2-9... Which one is it?

[DECISION POINT HERE]

1)It was class 2-6.
2)It was class 2-3.
3)It was class 2-9.


I Give Up (I)

I guess it must be Class 2-6. Six is a nice number, so it suits Asahina-san very well.

I think.

As I look inside though, I can't see her, only a small group of students talking in a corner. As I enter, they stop chattering, and look at me in unison.

This is awkward.


Kyon: Uh... hi.


I quickly back out of the room and close the door.

Gah, that went nowhere. Why am I even doing this?

A quick nap at home will ease my mind a lot more than Asahina-san's beautiful smile will at this point, no offense to her.

I'll just--

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


Glowing Smile

Class 2-3 seems a likely guess. It was the first thing to come to Koizumi's mind, and despite all that guy's faults,

I guess.

And my faith is rewarded as I slide open the door of Class 2-3, for there, cleaning the blackboard, is the vision of loveliness herself!

...I don't even know what I'm saying, sometimes.

She looks up as I open the door, and her cute face breaks into a smile, like the first glow of sunshine at daybreak.


Mikuru: Hello, Kyon-kun.


Ah, her voice makes me feel better already.


Kyon: Hello, Asahina-san.

Mikuru: What are you doing here, Kyon-kun?

Kyon: No real reason. I had some time after school, so I thought I'd come talk with you for a bit.


Asahina-san looks happy, but then her expression wavers her eyes dart towards the door.


Mikuru: But... um... w-what about Suzumiya-san? What if she...


No need to worry about that, as Haruhi's already gone home. Besides, do you really think she's so concerned about what you do as to hide outside your classroom.


Mikuru: W-well, um, as you can see, I'm on cleaning duty, so...

Kyon: Ah, well, don't worry about it, I'll help as much as I can!


Thanks to my expert help, the cleanup went quickly, even though we talked quite a bit while doing so.

Although... I don't see why she didn't do this earlier, or why there wasn't anyone assigned to help her...

...Could she have been abandoned by her partner!? How dare someone be cruel to Asahina-san!


IF RoutesCompleted >=1 THEN

[DECISION POINT HERE]

1)Asahina-san, who was supposed to be on duty with you today?
2)No matter, she has me to help her now.


Glowing Smile [Extended Dialogue]


Kyon: Who was it that was supposed to help you with cleaning duty, Asahina-san?

Mikuru: Eh? Oh, it was, uh, my friend, Tsuruya-san. Do you remember her?


...Odd.

I remember meeting her at that baseball game of Haruhi's, but for some reason... I remember something about my crazy dream last night.

Green fields and... a girl with long hair?


Kyon: Yeah, yeah I remember Tsuruya-san. She ditched you? That doesn't seem like her.


Not that I have the authority to comment on something like that.


Mikuru: She said she'd be a little while, so I should wait for her, but... she never came back, so I had to do this by myself.

Kyon: Huh, really? That's kind of strange.


Well, it's not really my business, so I guess I'll finish up here and walk home with Asahina-san, which is more than reward enough for my hard work.

[Scene: Streets of Nishinomiya]

Unfortunately, my dream of walking home with Asahina-san was cut short, as she goes in the opposite direction from me at the bottom of the hill.

Curses!


Mikuru: Bye bye, Kyon-kun! See you tomorrow!


Of course, the sight of her smile and cute parting wave are enough to send me off full of energy. It was such a good idea to go see Asahina-san. I'm so proud of myself.

I unlock my bike and head for home. Guess there's no point in taking a nap when it's so close to dinnertime.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


ELSE

It doesn't really matter, she has me to help her now.

Besides, it's not really any of my business, so I guess I'll finish up here and walk home with Asahina-san, which is more than reward enough for my hard work.

[Scene: Streets of Nishinomiya]

Unfortunately, my dream of walking home with Asahina-san has to be cut short, as she goes in the opposite direction from me at the bottom of the hill.

Curses!


Mikuru: Bye bye, Kyon-kun! See you tomorrow!


Of course, the sight of her smile and cute parting wave are enough to send me off full of energy. It was such a good idea to go see Asahina-san. I'm so proud of myself.

I unlock my bike and head for home. Guess there's no point in taking a nap when it's so close to dinnertime.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


I Give Up (II)

Class 2-9 is in the sciences department, but I actually don't know whether Asahina-san is a science student or not.

I doubt it, but it can't hurt to check.

However, all I find as I open the door is a couple embracing.


Kyon: ...


They're too busy to notice me.

I quickly back out of the room and close the door.

Well, that was awkward. Why am I even doing this?

A quick nap at home will ease my mind a lot more than Asahina-san's beautiful smile will at this point, no offense to her.

I'll just--

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Noooothing that neeeeeeeeds to be done...

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

I'm surprised you didn't change Kyon's "Why do I wish to know?" response in Dr. Itsuki's prescription. It sounds... un-Kyon-like...

Ah well... I'm not an editor, so it's not my place to complain.

[dkellis]

I swear you guys hate the way I do the archive or something. How am I supposed to organize all of that?

If I'm Doing It Wrong, please tell me how, and the best way to correct it.

[Cat Megex]

Originally Posted by dkellis

I swear you guys hate the way I do the archive or something. How am I supposed to organize all of that?

If I'm Doing It Wrong, please tell me how, and the best way to correct it.

Use SVN .

[dkellis]

Originally Posted by Cat Megex

Use SVN .

I've been using Subversion for some City of Heroes stuff. I remember thinking that it was overkill (for the little minor changes) or insufficient (for complete rewrites) or both (the vast majority of the time).

It's really good for keeping track of changes, but not really as good for something like keeping an organized list of final versions of chapters.

[swtrooper42]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

WHY IS THIS PLACE SO SLOW

Anyway, some more VN content, enjoy, even though half of them are Jintor's stuff.

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: Library-You Okay?:

You Okay?


Kyon: I'm worried about Nagato. Is she really okay after everything that's happened?

Itsuki: She should be perfectly alright, but if you wish to locate her at present, there is an increased probability of her presence at the school library.

Kyon: Do you really need to speak all tangled up like that?

Itsuki: Well, I could have said "book repository". I'll see you tomorrow, I suppose.


The echoing sound of Koizumi's footsteps disappears into the distance as I leave the clubroom, heaving my backpack onto my shoulders. Now, which way was it to the library again...?

[Scene: School Library, Afternoon]

This is the school's library, a concrete building almost always devoid of people. Not that they don't have a good selection, but most students prefer to do other things than read.

I haven't been in here for a while, myself. This is the most widely used area, the computer labs, but I can't see Nagato anywhere. She's not in the graphic novel or the general fiction areas, either. Where could she be?

I finally track her down, deep within the dustier parts of the library. As I expected, she's seated on a chair, silently reading a huge tome.


Kyon: Ah, there you are, Nagato!

Yuki: ...

Kyon: Ah, um...


It's hard to concentrate on what you're trying to say when she looks at you like that.


Kyon: What are you reading, Nagato?


She merely lifts the huge book up to show me the cover. It looks incredibly dense. The title means nothing to me.

After holding it up for a moment, she lowers it to her lap again, and bends her head towards it. She doesn't look up.


Kyon: I... see. Look, Nagato, ah... do you feel alright? After everything that has happened?

Yuki: I am... fine.

Kyon: Even after experiencing all five-hundred-something loops and reiterations of the last two weeks?

Yuki: ...There is no need for concern.


Indeed, she does look better than she did during the last summer that I can recall. The difference would only be apparent if you were looking for it, but she seems - less bored.


Yuki: We have escaped the chronological infinite loop. Any causes of adverse behaviour on my part have been removed. Any observed adverse behaviour has ceased to occur.

Kyon: That may be all and well, but - well - you okay?

Yuki: I... I am...


For a moment, her eyes flicker towards me, her face seeming to soften slightly, to lose her emotionless edge. But then...


Yuki: ...I am fine. There is no need for concern.


...the barrier is up again, her firewall from the world.


Kyon: Well, if you're sure.

Yuki: Do not worry about me.

Kyon: Absolutely certain?

Yuki: Yes.

Kyon: ...Alright.

Yuki: Do you have any other queries?

Kyon: ...Not right now. I'll, ah, leave you to it then.

Yuki: ...


I leave Nagato behind in the tomb of unread words known as the 'Non-Fiction Section' of the library. If Nagato says she's fine, then she's probably fine...

But I can't help wondering about that slight sense of boredom I remember feeling, back in the summer. Entire lifetimes were spent swimming, fishing, eating, following Haruhi's absurd orders, and Nagato remembers every.

Single.

Time.

As I walk towards my home, bag slung tiredly over my shoulders, I ponder the silent girl I've just farewelled. Certainly, Nagato seems alright, but... perhaps her definition of 'alright' differs from my own.

Or maybe I'm just worrying too much.

I suppose it could go either way.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: My Room: Existentialism- Another World:

Existentialism- Another World


Kyon: I've lived through more summers than I care to remember. I'm going home to rest...

Itsuki: That's fair enough. Goodbye for now, then.


I can hear Koizumi whistling as I exit the clubroom, taking the stairs down to the ground floor. It's been a long five-hundred or so years - I think I'll take a nap when I get back...

[Scene- My Room]

Unfortunately, I can't sleep.

The train of thought that began its gestation during the poker game has continued to worm its way through my brain, coming to further, startling conclusions.

Long ago, back when I first met her, Haruhi mentioned “sliders” as one of the groups that she wanted to meet.

As of today, no slider has yet appeared.

Back when I traveled through time with Asahina-san to three years ago, I truthfully admitted to Haruhi's younger self that I hadn't met any sliders.

...How much of an effect on her did my words really have? Did I, by saying those words, annihilate the possibility of sliders, and thus alternate realities, from even existing?

...

No, that's impossible. I think she would have believed in sliders no matter what I said, or she wouldn't have mentioned them in her class introduction.

Then that begs the question: Why haven't any appeared yet?

Maybe they, unlike the other three groups, are playing it safe. They want to see what she's truly capable of before they make their move.

I guess that makes sense?

But if the sliders wanted to send a representative eventually, and they're from an alternate world, what would they be like? Would they be another version of someone I know?

Maybe it'd be a smart Taniguchi, or a bold, assertive Computer Society President? It could be an older version of my sister... that would be odd.

Hell, it could even be another version of me.

...

For some reason, the words “John Smith” rang through my head at just that moment. I feel I'm going to regret saying that, eventually.

But this is an interesting thing to think about. If there are infinite alternate universes, any different version of myself I could imagine is true, somewhere.

A version of myself with glasses?

A version of myself that's short?

A version of myself that's a girl-- no, this is stupid.

This must be the sort of thing Haruhi thinks about all the time. No wonder she's so--

No, no, I refuse to believe that Haruhi wonders what it would be like if I was a girl.

“This world moves according to the desires of Haruhi Suzumiya”, right? DING!

Gaaaah, I don't want to think about this anymore.

I pull the pillow over my head and try to sleep until dinnertime.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: Way Home- Dr. Itsuki's Prescription:

Dr. Itsuki's Prescription


Kyon: We'll talk as we walk, alright? There's still some things I want to discuss.

Itsuki: Oh? Am I that interesting?

Kyon: It's not about you, moron. It's about Suzumiya.

Itsuki: What, you only want to talk shop? A pity. Hang on a moment and let me get my bag...


I head off down the stairs, Koizumi trailing behind. Sometimes it's good to have him around, if only because he's the closest thing to 'normal' I can get, if I want to discuss Haruhi with someone.

...of course, 'normal' is relative.


[Scene: Streets of Nishinomiya, Afternoon]


Kyon: So do you think that thing you suggested would have actually worked?

Itsuki: What 'thing' would this be, then?


We're on our way to our respective houses - assuming Koizumi lives in a normal house with a normal family, and not in some fully-equipped Agency safehouse - discussing ways to placate a rampaging God.


Kyon: You know. All that... 'hug her from behind, whisper I love you' stuff.

Itsuki: Ah, that which we discussed on Nagato-san's rooftop.

Kyon: Well?

Itsuki: Why do you wish to know?


A good question. Why do I wish to know?


Itsuki: I suppose, to an extent, it's because you want to know if something so-

Kyon: -so fairytale can truly be the solution to all our problems.


Koizumi looks at me wearing that smile of his, although he doesn't really seem to be putting much effort into it. I assume it's some kind of reflex, and he does his best acting for Haruhi's benefit.


Itsuki: Hmmm. It would probably have worked in the then-present situation, yes. To be honest, the shock of it would probably solve any problem of Suzumiya-san's doing we care to name.

Kyon: It's a trump card, then.

Itsuki: Certainly, a sudden, unexpected kiss is a trump card. But it could also be a nuclear missile. There is no absolute guarantee of what would happen.

Kyon: Well, what do you advise? Do you have a long-term method of containment, besides dealing with every single incident as it happens?


I realize suddenly that I am alone, and turn around. Koizumi has stopped walking alongside myself, and is instead staring up at the orange-red sky.


Itsuki: ...as your good friend and a fully qualified love-doctor, I prescribe a long-term sustainable relationship-

Kyon: ...forget it.

Itsuki: Hah. I suspected you might react that way.


He smiles at me, a ghost of his usual smile, somehow empty.


Itsuki: Well, I can but hope that you change your mind someday. It's the easiest and... most preferable solution for all of us, I believe.

Kyon: I don't think that second part applies to me. And I would probably feel somewhat, ah, used.

Itsuki: ...I think, at the end of the day, we're all being used in some fashion.


And with that mysterious line, Koizumi fell silent. I had nothing left to say, so we walked until the place where we had to separate, at which point he bid me farewell, and left.

As with almost all conversations I have had with Koizumi, I was feeling somewhat lost and confused. That last line of his was particularly curious.

So even Koizumi feels that way, sometimes, too...?

Bah. I think too much lately.

I hop on my bike, which I had been wheeling along, and head for home.

Maybe I can catch a quick nap before dinner.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

Spoiler for September the First, Day Zero, Universe 1: Corridor- So Confused:

So Confused


Kyon: I might go find Asahina-san, she'll cheer me right up... if I can remember her classroom...

Itsuki: Ah, I know that one. She's in 2-3... or was it 2-6? Maybe, uh, 2-9... hmmm.

Kyon: That's not too helpful.

Itsuki: Well, I am allowed to forget things once in a while. I wish you luck on your search; I'll see you tomorrow.


Koizumi wanders off to wherever it is that he goes when not attempting to contain Haruhi's wild imagination, leaving me lost in this maze of corridors. Where is Asahina-san's classroom? Sometimes our school just feels way too big.

[Scene: Corridor]

I'm in the corridor with the second-year classrooms. It's only now that I realize an important fact:

I can't remember ever having been to Asahina-san's classroom.

No wonder I don't remember which one it was!

This is beginning to be too much trouble, and my brain is tired. I could check every single classroom, but that'd be a bother and I want to go home.

Koizumi said it was either Class 2-3, 2-6, or 2-9... Which one is it?

[DECISION POINT HERE]

1)It was class 2-6.
2)It was class 2-3.
3)It was class 2-9.


I Give Up (I)

I guess it must be Class 2-6. Six is a nice number, so it suits Asahina-san very well.

I think.

As I look inside though, I can't see her, only a small group of students talking in a corner. As I enter, they stop chattering, and look at me in unison.

This is awkward.


Kyon: Uh... hi.


I quickly back out of the room and close the door.

Gah, that went nowhere. Why am I even doing this?

A quick nap at home will ease my mind a lot more than Asahina-san's beautiful smile will at this point, no offense to her.

I'll just--

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


Glowing Smile

Class 2-3 seems a likely guess. It was the first thing to come to Koizumi's mind, and despite all that guy's faults, I do respect his recall memory.

I guess.

And my faith is rewarded as I slide open the door of Class 2-3, for there, cleaning the blackboard, is the vision of loveliness herself!

...I don't even know what I'm saying, sometimes.

She looks up as I open the door, and her cute face breaks into a smile, like the first glow of sunshine at daybreak.


Mikuru: Hello, Kyon-kun.


Ah, her voice makes me feel better already.


Kyon: Hello, Asahina-san.

Mikuru: What are you doing here, Kyon-kun?

Kyon: No real reason. I had some time after school, so I thought I'd come talk with you for a bit.


Asahina-san looks happy, but then her expression wavers her eyes dart towards the door.


Mikuru: But... um... w-what about Suzumiya-san? What if she...


No need to worry about that, as Haruhi's already gone home. Besides, do you really think she's so concerned about what you do as to hide outside your classroom.


Mikuru: W-well, um, as you can see, I'm on cleaning duty, so...

Kyon: Ah, well, don't worry about it, I'll help as much as I can!


Thanks to my expert help, the cleanup went quickly, even though we talked quite a bit while doing so.

Although... I don't see why she didn't do this earlier, or why there wasn't anyone assigned to help her...

...Could she have been abandoned by her partner!? How dare someone be cruel to Asahina-san!


IF RoutesCompleted >=1 THEN

[DECISION POINT HERE]

1)Asahina-san, who was supposed to be on duty with you today?
2)No matter, she has me to help her now.


Glowing Smile [Extended Dialogue]


Kyon: Who was it that was supposed to help you with cleaning duty, Asahina-san?

Mikuru: Eh? Oh, it was, uh, my friend, Tsuruya-san. Do you remember her?


...Odd.

I remember meeting her at that baseball game, but, for some reason, I remember something about my dream last night.

Green fields and... a girl with long hair?


Kyon: Yeah, yeah I remember Tsuruya-san. She ditched you? That doesn't seem like her.


Not that I have the authority to comment on something like that.


Mikuru: She said she'd be a little while, so I should wait for her, but... she never came back, so I had to do this by myself.

Kyon: Huh, really? That's kind of strange.


Well, it's not really my business, so I guess I'll finish up here and walk home with Asahina-san, which is more than reward enough for my hard work.

[Scene: Streets of Nishinomiya]

Unfortunately, my dream of walking home with Asahina-san had to be cut short, as she goes in the opposite direction from me at the bottom of the hill.

Curses!


Mikuru: Bye bye, Kyon-kun! See you tomorrow!


Of course, the sight of her smile and cute parting wave are enough to send me off full of energy. It was such a good idea to go see Asahina-san. I'm so proud of myself.

I unlock my bike and head for home. Guess there's no point in taking nap when it's so close to dinnertime.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


ELSE

It doesn't really matter, she has me to help her now.

Besides, it's not really my business, so I guess I'll finish up here and walk home with Asahina-san, which is more than reward enough for my hard work.

[Scene: Streets of Nishinomiya]

Unfortunately, my dream of walking home with Asahina-san had to be cut short, as she goes in the opposite direction from me at the bottom of the hill.

Curses!


Mikuru: Bye bye, Kyon-kun! See you tomorrow!


Of course, the sight of her smile and cute parting wave are enough to send me off full of energy. It was such a good idea to go see Asahina-san. I'm so proud of myself.

I unlock my bike and head for home. Guess there's no point in taking nap when it's so close to dinnertime.

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*


I Give Up (II)

Class 2-9 is in the sciences department, but I actually don't know whether Asahina-san is a science student or not.

I doubt it, but it can't hurt to check.

However, all I find as I open the door is a couple embracing.


Kyon:...


They're too busy to notice me.

I quickly back out of the room and close the door.

Well, that was awkward. Why am I even doing this?

A quick nap at home will ease my mind a lot more than Asahina-san's beautiful smile will at this point, no offense to her.

I'll just--

...

*KSSSSSSHHH*

I'll work on Universe A tomorrow.

Nice Kaisos. Very nice.

[dkellis]

Quick link URL: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...ostcount=16323

The Seitenkan Thread FAQ of Haruhi Suzumiya

What is all of this?

The easiest way to answer is with the very first section of the very first post in this thread:

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

What would you think if Kyon became a girl with tremendous moe appeal? If Haruhi became a man that defines new pinnacle of hotbloodedness? And what about the other characters of this already legendary story? Interested? Then please read on.

This thread is for the discussion of the fan project entitled "The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya", where we will be attempting to reconstruct the series as if Haruhi was a boy, Kyon was a girl, and everyone else's genders have also been turned topsy-turvy.

We are constantly looking for people's help with this project. Feel free to jump in at any time. You will be welcomed with open arms.

If you read nothing else in this thread, then at least read that first post.

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

The FAQ is in need of much work. First thing that needs to be posted is a disclaimer that says "This shit hella ain't finalized yet."

Who are the people I should look out for?

Listing everyone who could be considered a regular of this thread will take far too long, and be of little use. The really important people you need to know about are the forum moderators, since they're the ones with actual power.

Other than that, the current "boss" (or danchou) is DJ RockmanX, "RmX" for short. After that, it gets a bit more murky and complicated, since people fall in and out of project positions as circumstances dictate. The only good rule of thumb to follow is that the people to note are those who are working on a project at the moment, and will likely be working on it for an extended period of time.

Ideas are plentiful. Results are a little rarer.


Why did I get yelled at?

Simple answer: some of the regulars are short on temper and patience.

Longer answer: one or more of the following likely happened:

• You brought up a topic that has been discussed to death before, and the regulars don't want to rehash old ground.
• You brought up a controversial topic that has been discussed to death before, and the regulars don't want to reignite an old flamewar.
• You rubbed someone the wrong way. This is so subjective that it would be pointless to list out all the possibilities here. Work it out in private messages if you have to.
• You "demanded" (impolitely, it is implied) a change in the way a project is going. Regardless of your intent, it's how the suggestion is read that matters. Clarify that it's only a suggestion, and be prepared to be turned down unless the idea is really good.

Often (but not always) you will be told where and how you transgressed, since criticizing others is one of the favourite pastimes of the Internet. It may not make you feel any better, but at least now you know.

Getting defensive about it almost always exacerbates the situation, and may even get the mods involved. So don't do it.


How do I not get yelled at?

• Use proper spelling and grammar. If we can't understand you, it is too easy to misunderstand your posts.
• Only use vulgarities and swearwords sparingly, if at all. Overuse will make you seem confrontational and belligerent, since all we have to go by are your words.
• Don't let your latest (or longrunning) fandom or obsession affect your views and posting. It gets old and tired very quickly to hear about something few others in the thread care about. Remember, we are here only for The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, and the genderbending thereof. (Some of us aren't even interested in other anime.) For anything else, expect to have to explain why we should care.
• Pick your battles. Is it really necessary that something or other needs to happen in some project? If so, argue your case calmly and reasonably. If not, it's probably best to agree to disagree.

If you have a spare month or so, read the thread from the beginning to the end. In all likelihood, this is not a practical option.


This thread is huge! What's in it?

Honestly speaking, at least half of it is random conversation. (And about half of that is off-topic random conversation which has nothing to do with The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, much less the genderbending version.) These conversations are tolerated, because there is a chance (a tiny chance, but a chance nevertheless) that an offhand remark can spark something greater.

The rest of it deals with hammering out the details of the genderbending effort. This can take a long time, and often no consensus or decision may come of it. This may lead to the problem of apparently "new ideas" not actually being all that new. There will be a list later in this post, for those who really want to know.

Also, the details can be really trivial, at least in the grand scheme of things.


What's important in this thread?

The entire Seitenkan over-project has two core aspects: fanart and fanfiction.

Fanart goes into this thread. Pretty simple.

Fanfiction, in this thread, is divided into three parts:

• The rewriting of the original canon novels
• Fanfiction of non-canon events involving genderbent MoHS characters
• The "visual novel project"

The first two may be found in this in-thread archive.

The visual novel project is rather more specific, and can be found in this in-thread archive. It is the latest incarnation of the Crossroads concept.


Shouldn't it be "Haruhiko"?

Many of the project writers complained that they read "Haruhiko" as "Haruhi-ko", instead of "Haru-hiko". "Haruki" was decided upon as an alternative.

Similarly, "Itsuki" with different kanji is obviously not possible to portray easily in English, which is why "Itsuko" is used. Leaving it at "Itsuki" would have confused too many writers and readers to be worth it.


What's "Tsuji"/"Crossroads"?

It's basically another scenario: What if the genderbent cast were to meet or otherwise interact with their canon counterparts?

Being effectively a spinoff of a spinoff, it has not yet had enough time to coalesce into a concrete project. Concepts prior to the current incarnation included a doujin manga, a non-worksafe doujin manga, standard fanfiction (worksafe and otherwise), radio plays, so on and so forth.


Who decides what projects to work on?

Thread consensus. That's all.

This means that if you want to work on your own thing, feel free. If it's good enough and grows big enough, it could well become the new "thread project".


What's "Seitenkan"?

It's the romanized Japanese for "genderbend".

"Genderbending": thirteen letters.

"Genderswap": ten letters.

"Seitenkan": nine letters.

Matter of choice, really.


What happened to the novel rewrites?
Quoting the former official rewriter:

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Basically, I decided to switch mainly because I didn't see the novel rewrites really going anywhere or having much of a point. A visual novel however... it's like fanfiction, in a way. Artistically, it has a hell of a lot more merit than just rewriting someone else's work.

See, we had all these fantastic characters who embodied different archetypes than the original SOS-dan, and it seemed like such a waste if we just dropped them altogether. And that was about the time Danchou came up with the idea of us doing our own visual novel.

So yeah.

Kaisos is now working on the Visual Novel project.

If you want to submit your own rewrites, feel free, but do note that it has to be vetted and approved by majority consensus before it is made "official". (This is why there are so many edits listed in the archive.)

Once a rewrite has been made "final", no more changes (apart from minor grammatical or spelling alterations) may be made, without a lot of discussion and approval from the rest of the thread.


I want to suggest something for the FAQ/archive...
Send me (dkellis) a private message. I may not reply to it, but I will read it, and will act on it as soon as I can.


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Things Discussed In This Thread

Character Names
From original to genderbent:

• Kyon - Kyon (we refer to her as "Kyonko" in-thread, so we won't get confused, but she has always been "Kyon" in the actual fiction.)
• Haruhi Suzumiya - Haruki Suzumiya
• Mikuru Asahina - Mitsuuru Asahina
• Yuki Nagato - Yuuki Nagato
• Itsuki Koizumi - Itsuko Koizumi
• Ryoko Asakura - Ryou Asakura
• Emiri Kimidori - Emori Kimidori OR Emirio Kimidori (this is still uncertain.)

Names that are unchanged due to being family names:

• Shamisen (technically)
• Tsuruya
• Taniguchi
• Kunikida
• Okabe
• Arakawa
• Nakagawa (from "Charmed At First Sight LOVER")
• Sakanaka (from "Wandering Shadow")
• Sasaki
• Fujiwara

Undecided:

• Sonou Mori
• Keiichi Tamaru
• Yutaka Tamaru
• ENOZ:
  • Miyuki Enomoto
  • Takako Nakanishi
  • Mizuki Okajima
  • Mai Zaizen
• Kuyou Suou
• Kyoko Tachibana

Unnamed:

• Kyon's sibling
• Computer Club President
• Student Council Chairperson

Honorifics

Originally Posted by dkellis

My take on the matter, subject to change when consensus is reached:

Kyonko: Where the original has "Kyon-kun", it becomes "Kyon-chan" (this applies to, as far as I can tell, Itsuko, Mitsuru, Tsuruya, and her little brother). Haruki just calls her "Kyon". Yuuki never calls her by name; I'm expecting to go through some intense verbal gymnastics just for that.

Haruki: Everyone except for Kyon, Tsuruya, and Otouto, calls him "Suzumiya-san". Kyon calls him "Haruki", Tsuruya and Otouto call him "Haru-kun".

Mitsuru: Haruki calls him "Mitsuru-kun". Otouto calls him "Mitsuru-san". Tsuruya calls him "Mitsuru". Kyonko calls the small version "Asahina-sempai", and the large version "Asahina-san". Yuuki calls him "Asahina Mitsuru". Everyone else calls him "Asahina-san".

Yuuki: Haruki calls him "Yuuki", Tsuruya calls him "Nagato-kun", everyone else calls him "Nagato-san".

Itsuko: Kyonko calls her "Itsuko". Tsuruya calls her "Itsuko-chan", Otouto calls her "Itsuko-san". Yuuki calls her "Koizumi Itsuko", and everyone else calls her "Koizumi-san".

Tsuruya: Kyonko calls him "Tsuruya-sempai". Haruki calls him "Tsuruya". Everyone else calls him "Tsuruya-san".

Otouto: With the sole exception of Kyonko (who doesn't call him anything), everyone calls him "Otouto-kun".

Character Heights
These are, as with all height discussions, subject to change. Many of these are based on eyeballing the canon characters' heights, as well as the inconsistently-followed "height chart".

Note that the numbers here are not exact. They were settled upon mainly through Internet Debate Attrition.

• Haruki: 186cm (taller and bigger than most because the project writers believe that he should be a "natural bully".)
• Kyonko: between 152cm and 157 cm (her original bodytype was based off Yuki Nagato, and it is a given, especially in fanart portrayals, that she is noticeably shorter than the others. How much shorter is in debate.)
• Itsuko: 160cm
• Yuuki: 182cm (tall to fit with the "tall, cool, silent bishounen" archetype.)
• Mitsuuru: 166cm

Originally Posted by Heatth

The order ot their height in my mind:
Mikuru < Yuki ~= Kyonko < Haruhi < Itsuko ~= Mitsuru < Kyon < Itsuki ~= Yuuki < Haruki

Then, Kyonko still be shor, to fit the mental image most has of her, but still is taller the Mikuru (who have to be the shorter of the cast). I actually would put her above Yuki and below Haruhi.

Itsuko would be a tall and elegant bishoujo (just like Itsuki is a tall and elegant bishonen), making her more or lass as tall as Mitsuru, who is pretty short.

Kyon is avarage, taller then Mitsuru and shorter then Itsuki.

Yuuki is tal and bishonen, so is the same height as Itsuki.

Haruki is taller then all. By being a 'natural bully' and to be intimidating enouth to the other guys of the same age don't try to beat the crap of him for his weirdnes (insted, leaving him alone). This was the reason 'we' decided to why he is so tall right?

Originally Posted by Heatth

Well, lets settle the matter, we are going for Danchou decision right?

Mikuru is the smaller, period.

Kyonko is the shorter of the seitenkan brigade, having a similar build to Yuki.

Haruhi is between Kyonko/Yuki and Itsuko.

Itsuko is kinda tall, similar to Ryouko.

Mitsuru is just slightly taller then Itsuko (poor guy)

Kyon is pretty bigger then both.

Haruki is the same heigth as Yuuki (obviously taller, acording to himself). Both are more or less as tall as Itsuki.

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

Kyonko - Since the beginning her build has been based off of Yuki. That's pretty much the end of that story as far as I'm concerned. And we all know her personality. That needs no explanation either.

Itsuko - AA+ puts her at about where Ryoko is, plus a bust upgrade to perhaps Mikuru level. This is more natural because she isn't tiny as hell like Mikuru, so the proportions look far better. I wouldn't peg her as supermodel status as Kyonko might exaggerate, but she is basically the perfect high school girl given Itsuki's personality.

Mitsuru - His height is between that of the girls and the other guys, so really this is something I would have thought would come up for more debate. But for the most part he's pegged as barely taller than Itsuko, and far behind Haruki and Yuuki. The guys intimidate him and Itsuko challenges him in height, so it's fairly logical that he's more comfortable around Kyonko. But I personally think he shouldn't worry about his small stature too much, given that we know he grows up to be bishounen. That, and he's got a MAGNUM. Most guys would take comfort in that.

Yuuki - I don't believe in space giants, but I do believe he should be around Itsuki's height and somewhat lanky in build, at least compared to Haruki. He shouldn't have too much presence, given that Yuki was supposed to blend in with the clubroom like a piece of furniture. Fangirls are pretty partial to him though, so we'll need to turn down the Bishie Sparkles a notch.

Haruki - Imposing, through his nature and not his height. He's built well, but isn't a hulking giant like some of us make him out to be. I'd peg him as a bit taller than Kyon, at about Itsuki's height like Yuuki. He shouldn't be drastically different than the ideal male lead other than the issues of bearing the name Suzumiya Haruki.

Bust Sizes
Kyonko is often portrayed in fanart to be "flat", and this is kept quite closely.

Itsuko is considered to be the stereotypical bishoujo, as Canon!Itsuki is the stereotypical bishounen, and so Itsuko has the sort of bust other girls are often portrayed to be jealous of in anime. It is implied that she has the same bust size as Canon!Mikuru.

This topic is, for some reason, very popular among newbies to the thread, which is why it has to be included in this FAQ. Don't bring it up again unless you have something substantially new to share.


"John Smith"
A problem we are facing is that we have no idea how to genderbend "John Smith".

The obvious purpose in the original canon is for Kyon to provide a fake name to Haruhi that is obviously not a Japanese name, but we're not sure if Tanigawa Nagaru had any other purpose in mind. Therefore, while we could use "Jane Smith", we're not sure if this has the correct connotations in full.

Other suggestions have included:

• Jane Doe - As a "generic Western name" like "Jane Smith".
• Pocahontas - As a counterpart to the most famous historial John Smith of Jamestown.
• Sarah Jane Smith - As a nod towards both "Jane Smith" and the sometime companion of Doctor Who. (Doctor Who occasionally uses "John Smith" as an alias.) "Rose Tyler" has also been suggested for this reason.
• Joan Smith - As a reference of Joan of Arc. (link)

As no consensus has yet been reached, note that any further name suggestions are not likely to achieve this unless they are really, really good.


TVTropes
TVTropes is a popular wiki about "tropes" (as defined by the site; in short, ideas/events/concepts/things that turn up really often in fiction). It is popular because it recommends "breezy language" and humour, and operates primarily on listing examples which are entertaining to read.

A problem arises due to the "breezy language" and "humour" parts: some of the article titles are very obscure, due to being injokes or puns or references to something or other, or simply because the article creator thought it sounded nice. And yet, in some cases, there has been no better title suggested, so the obscure title is all there is.

This means that using TVTropes terms in a post will likely mean that readers will have no idea what you are talking about. Telling us to "go look it up" is probably going to result simply in our taking the easy route and not bothering to decipher that post.


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The Current Hot Project:
This is the project that many people in the thread has decided is interesting enough to take part in. It is the closest thing that may be considered to be an endorsement.

The current hot project is a visual novel based on the Tsuji/Crossroads idea - an interactive story whose outcome depends in the various actions the reader makes at certain decision points. The visual novel is placed after Endless Eight in the canon storyline (and might spoil the end of Endless Eight).

The archive may be found here.

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Posts That May Be Interesting To Read
Note that reading these is not mandatory, but may provide some insight into the psyche of this thread.

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The differences between Haruhi and Haruki Suzumiya

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

That post is outdated. =P

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Why Kyonko is moe

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by dkellis

Bust Sizes

TBA

Great

[dkellis]

I figured after the explosion the last time it was brought up, I needed to put it in the FAQ.

In any case, I'd like to know what we agreed on the various topics there, as well as post ranges if possible. This can also work as a sort of resource for new writers who'd like to know how big (in any direction) a certain character is or something.

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

That's why I said "great," you know. All you've really done is reopen the floodgates with the "TBA."

As for heights, Kaisos's list is pretty much accepted, so whatever that was is "official."

At any rate, something that should be added is a compilation of ideas that have been rejected and reasons why they were, as it's a lot better than having them brought up again.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by dkellis

Character Heights

TBA

I thought we already decided on something like this...

Haruki:186cm
Kyonko:152cm
Itsuko:160cm
Yuuki:182cm
Mitsuuru:166cm