2009-08-16, 18:17 | Link #1261 | |
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A story can do the unusual while remaining fully unaware that it's fictional, while something that's marvelously aware of its own fictional nature can still follow a traditional line of storytelling. |
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2009-08-16, 18:22 | Link #1262 | ||
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2009-08-16, 18:23 | Link #1263 |
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I said this long time ago, Fiance and Fiancee VERY VERY VERY VERY rarely end together in this type of anime. The forced engagement is used mostly as an obstacle for the couples to overcome and end together. The only place where forced engagements are used a lot to join couples is in Shoujo anime.
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2009-08-16, 18:54 | Link #1265 | |
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Manji Midou LMAO i might actually support that if it made me laugh hard enough which it already did
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2009-08-16, 19:01 | Link #1266 | |
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2009-08-16, 19:08 | Link #1267 |
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"Breaking the fourth wall" does not mean "not following the usual story pattern". It means "when a work calls attention to the fact that itself is fiction by acknowledging the audience". None of the characters in Princess Lover are aware they're in an anime or that there's an audience watching them.
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2009-08-16, 19:30 | Link #1268 | |
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2009-08-16, 19:31 | Link #1269 |
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The '4th wall' is originally a term associated with the theatre. It's the imaginary wall that separates what's happening on the stage from the audience. When a character is aware of the audience and starts talking to them directly as if they're part of the story themselves, that's "breaking the 4th wall."
The idea is the same when it comes to television, except that the 4th wall exists between the show and the viewers. |
2009-08-16, 19:48 | Link #1270 | |
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2009-08-16, 20:20 | Link #1275 | |
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This whole fiance thing is laughable. It should have been obvious the end of the first episode when we find out that Sylvia was Teppei's fiance, that it wasn't going to happen. And it should be obvious when we find out about Charlotte's fiance, that it wasn't going to happen. I shall explain. There are two formulas revolving around fiances in anime. Fiance situation 1) Guy finds out his family has planned for him to marry a friend of the family's daughter(slight variances of relatonships but the point is made). At this stage of the story(which is usually 1-2 episodes in), he has not established a relationship with another female nor has he shown much interest in other females. Majority of story focuses on her trying to win his love and affection so that he will accept her and they can live happily ever after. 90% success rate that she will. Fiance situation 2) Guy meets girl and has an attraction to her. Then finds out she/he has a fiance. Much anguish and drama goes on during course of series as they struggle to develop their feelings for each other, while trying to a) not distance their family, and b) not hurt the feelings of said fiance. Eventually love conquers all and they marry each other and the fiances go find someone else. 90% success rate or greater. As much as I love Sylvia's character, and though I like Charlotte's character, this formula is boring and predictable and very over-used in anime. When I said 4th wall I was being tongue in cheek with metaphors and meaning I didn't want them to re-use the same formulas I've seen time and time again over the past 20+ years. I know what 4th wall means I just was bleh when I wrote the post and should have clarified more. This will be a Charlotte ending with everyone else vowing to not give up, unless they just have the two get married right at the end(which has happened too). When I work on my different novels, I often think about what seems overly predictable to readers as they go through the story, and try and throw them a curveball, that though can be seen in advance with enough reading into the signs, is not so transparent until it happens. Too bad I can never sit down and finish these stories as I get 1/2-3/4 done then my mind comes up with another story and I switch to that one. -sigh-
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2009-08-16, 20:39 | Link #1276 | |
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Actually this seems plausible i dont think we will see them get married at the end. Maybe we will see them acknowledge each others feelings. Also, there is a possibility that life will just continue onward at the school. That assuming that yes it is a Charlotte ending i thin it will be quick and then over. I dont think we are going to get anytime spent on their relationship unless they do some type of time skip which would piss me off. you should really try to finish some of them man and let some people read them. My mind does that as well i usually have 3 to 4 projects im working on 1 of them is always for work but i do know how it feels for your mind to work faster than you do lol.
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2009-08-16, 22:29 | Link #1277 | |
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I've been working on one story since 2001 and has gotten as big as 3 novels worth, in terms of story length(though it's only 1/2 finished at the moment at 350 pages). It has gone through many revisions as I come up with new twists and turns as I've gotten older and more experienced(due to reading and movie/series watching). I'm a little bit afraid to finish it though, as the main character has the worst happen to him time and time again, and I wonder if I'm a bit of a masochist as I keep having events and circumstances in the story break him down piece by piece with no happy ending in sight. It's the only story I've done that with and it's been troubling to me that I would do such a thing as my main characters have never been bad or evil people. I'm currently working on a shorter story around 150 pages that I hope to actually finish this fall. I'll send a rough draft to you if I think it will survive critiquing. /hijack |
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2009-08-17, 01:23 | Link #1278 |
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Let me break the 7th wall and interrupt the discussion a bit for some general remarks. I didn't think that I'd like this show. Originally I was looking forward to two shows this season but earlier in the spring my interest in anime had started to wane for the very first time in 10 years. On a whim, or maybe out of mild curiosity I checked this one out. I didn't expect to like it or anything but surprisingly I do like it. I guess I've got one other summer program to follow along with Haruhi renewal.
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2009-08-17, 03:21 | Link #1279 |
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Harem prediction odds
Sylvia still has one more trump card left to go (and a very large one at that), and depending on whether the anime chooses to use it, it might actually cut all of Charlotte's winner flags with a swoop.
There are two opportunities to play that card : the next two episodes, or if they're saving Sylvia's arc as the big finale of the series. The first half of the series has just ended; it's at this point here where they start weeding out the Red Herrings. As the second half of the series is proceeding, Charlotte just has to be extra cautious as... Spoiler for Canvas 2/Shuffle dissection:
Right now, I really could see it going either way, maybe slightly leaning more towards Charlotte. But if the anime is going towards one of the directions I see it going, and if Sylvia plays her cards right, then there will be no doubt she'll deliver an equivalent of a Royal Flush over Charlotte's Full House in the very end. |
2009-08-17, 04:21 | Link #1280 | |
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You mentioned two of the most famous(or infamous) anime that had a surprising ending. Spoiler for Canvas 2/Shuffle fiascos:
I hope that if they plan to make Sylvia win, that they give the relationship some proper development. |
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