[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 8 Twilight of the golden witch

[Kylon99]

It's always fun to translate those scenes where in Japanese they're trying to be gender neutral to hide something. Fun as in 'headache' fun.

Because you do it too heavy-handed in English and people will wonder why you're avoiding pronouns.... 8)

[Renall]

Originally Posted by Kylon99

It's always fun to translate those scenes where in Japanese they're trying to be gender neutral to hide something. Fun as in 'headache' fun.

Because you do it too heavy-handed in English and people will wonder why you're avoiding pronouns.... 8)

It is possible. It's just very, very difficult.

Fortunately, with "they" becoming a singular pronoun lately, it's always possible if you're willing to butcher grammar a little.

[Mcjon01]

Originally Posted by Renall

It is possible. It's just very, very difficult.

Fortunately, with "they" becoming a singular pronoun lately, it's always possible if you're willing to butcher grammar a little.

Very true. Well, except for the part about the singular 'they' being a new thing. And the part about it being incorrect. Other than that...

Ah, but I'll never understand prescriptivists. There's always the alternative of writing like a Hanar, though, if you want to be totally inoffensive to everybody's linguistic sensibilities.

[Judoh]

Did Ryukishi ever fix that funny Kyrie/Rosa sprite error that was in episode 5? For those who don't remember the link is here. I kind of think he probably didn't, but I'd like to know anyway.

[Mcjon01]

Nah, it's still there in the Episode 8 version of Episode 5, I just checked.

[AuraTwilight]

I'm not even sure it's an error. Kakera and stuff.

[immblueversion]

About the EP8 spoilers:

Spoiler for EP8:

So Ange just comes back to life in the Golden Land? A lethal fall and getting her corpse devoured is all that makes her sane again? The details are seeming vague.

Also, I notice that Toya is introduced at this point. I know his true identity, but do they show his sprite at this point?

[Ayu-ayu]

Originally Posted by immblueversion

About the EP8 spoilers:

Spoiler for EP8:

So Ange just comes back to life in the Golden Land? A lethal fall and getting her corpse devoured is all that makes her sane again? The details are seeming vague.

Also, I notice that Toya is introduced at this point. I know his true identity, but do they show his sprite at this point?

Spoiler for Answers to both questions:

1) There's more details about that which MeoTwister5 didn't list out. Basically Bern's kitties took the pieces of Ange and tossed them in a bucket, then threw the bucket out into the Sea of Kakera. The bucket was recovered with some great difficulty (I forget which character/s took responsibility for finding it right now, but it is mentioned) and she was revived in the Golden Land.

2) No, it's from Tohya's perspective entirely during that portion.

[MeoTwister5]

I initially maintained the summary to be gender neutral since they never actually used a gender-specific pronoun. The thing is after a while it becomes so obvious who the person is, and that the person isn't the one being referred to during the sudden Golden Land switch, that I decided to switch to using he and she to at least avoid confusion.

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by AuraTwilight

I'm not even sure it's an error. Kakera and stuff.

Well what would the difference be? I don't think whether Rosa said it or Kyrie said it calls for an entirely different story. And the likelihood that they would say the exact same thing? The rest of the screenshots are generally the same with a few sprite differences. It just says funny error to me since it's not really expounded.

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by Ayu-ayu

Spoiler for Answers to both questions:

No, it's from Tohya's perspective entirely during that portion.

Spoiler for EP8:

Understandable. They probably don't do the big reveal until the Magic ending, or do they?

[AuraTwilight]

Originally Posted by Judoh

Well what would the difference be? I don't think whether Rosa said it or Kyrie said it calls for an entirely different story. And the likelihood that they would say the exact same thing? The rest of the screenshots are generally the same with a few sprite differences. It just says funny error to me since it's not really expounded.

Battler saw all possible universes. Bam.

[Judoh]

You didn't get what I meant. What would that change? What's the difference?

[guro]

My fucking head hurts from trying to understand episode 8 from tons of different peoples points of view. My copy needs to arrive in the mail ASAP!

And Judoh I agree with you that that sprite mess up is an error and not intentional. Because there really is no reason for it to be intentional.

[Arcanis]

Holy crap I just finished EP8. I'm still gathering my thoughts, but they're definitely positive for now. I'm not going to comment on the major things right now until I think them through some more.

But I can say all the "fuck yeah!" moments like Will, Lambda, the stuff at the Golden Land, Ange, etc., they're way too many to count, it was all really cool.

Also all the little things he brought back or revisited like Endless Nine, Rosa Musou, there countless too. Ryukishi wasn't lying when he said he put everything he wanted into EP8. (inb4 "but it was not what I wanted").


Anyway the point of this post is that I really want to find a transcript of the scrolling text scenes (Battler and Beato's and the very final one). My Japanese is just medium level I only got through the game with the help of Rikaichan and stuff so I only understood like 30% of those scenes (since you can't extract the text from them, god the quizzes were a pain). I really want to read them properly, if not a transcript anyone got at least a summary or something? Please.

[Mcjon01]

Originally Posted by Arcanis

Anyway for now what I really want is to find a transcript of the scrolling scenes (Battler and Beato's and the very final one). My Japanese is just medium level I only got through with the help of Rikaichan and stuff so only understood like 30% of those scenes (since you can't extract the text from them). I really want to read them well, if not a transcript anyone got at least a summary or something? Please.

Pretty sure there's a translation of it buried somewhere, either in here or in the spoilers thread. I don't really have time to look for it. Here's a transcript of the Japanese, though.

Spoiler for transcript:

戦人は、すぐに海へ飛び込みました。
だから、戦人は間に合いました。
まだ魔女の姿を見ることが、間に合いました。


魔女は戦人を見上げ、薄っすらと笑っていました。
言葉は、聞こえません。
でも、はっきりと聞こえました。


言ったろ、戦人。


妾は極悪な魔女だから、罪など償わぬと。
生きてなど、償わぬと。


戦人は必死に、言葉を返しました。
でも言葉は全て、泡となって吐き出されるだけでした。


漆黒の闇へ沈み行く彼女を、戦人は懸命に追いました。


そして、…………その手が、…………届きました…………。


愚かな戦人よ……。
せっかく島を生きて出られたのに……、そなたはそれを投げ出すのか……。


………俺はお前を、離さない。


気持ちは嬉しいぞ。
だが、……妾は幻想の住人。そしてそなたはニンゲン。
帰るべき世界が、違うのだ。


妾は幻想へ帰る。
そしてそなたも自分の世界へ帰るがいい。


どんどん、周りは真っ暗になっていきます。
息苦しくなり、頭や耳が痛くなります。
戦人の指が、……少しずつ、解けていきます。


そしてとうとう。
二人の指は、……離れました。


その途端、……戦人は上の、光の世界へ。
そして魔女は下の、闇の世界へ、……より強い力で引き裂かれていきます。


魔女は、戦人の体が眩しい海面へ向かって浮かんでいくのを見て、安堵しました。
さよなら。戦人。
……そして、ありがとう。


戦人の体が光の世界へ、点となって消えたのを見届け、……魔女はゆっくりと目を閉じます。
そして奈落の世界へ落ち行くことに、永遠の孤独の世界に、全てを委ねました。


その時、………彼女は、感じました。
そんなはずはないのです。
だって、戦人はもう、遥か彼方で点になっているのに。


でも、それは戦人でした。
魔女を追ってきた、戦人でした……。


逃がすかよ。お前は俺だけの、黄金の魔女だ。


………馬鹿戦人……、……馬鹿戦人………。


お前が望む奈落になら、俺も一緒に落ちよう。
そこが虚無の世界ならば、お前と一緒に消えよう。


だが、消える最後の瞬間まで。
………お前は俺のものだ………。


二人は互いをきつく抱き締めました。
……もう、運命は二人を引き裂こうとはしませんでした。


二人は一つとなって、……奈落へと沈んでいきました……。


そして、何も見えない真っ暗な世界で、……ぽっと、輝きました。
それは温かな、黄金の輝き。


それは、黄金の薔薇でした。


それがふわりと、………純白の無垢な砂の敷き詰められた世界に、辿り着きます。
そこには、白い砂に半分埋まった、……小さな箱が。


それは、静かな海の底で安らかに眠る、ベアトリーチェの猫箱。


その上に、ふわりと、……黄金の薔薇は舞い降りるのでした………。




それは、深い深い海の底のお話。
真っ暗な真っ暗な暗闇の中に。
……ほのかに輝く、黄金の薔薇が眠っているという、とてもささやかな物語……。

[Arcanis]

Originally Posted by Mcjon01

Pretty sure there's a translation of it buried somewhere, either in here or in the spoilers thread. I don't really have time to look for it. Here's a transcript of the Japanese, though.

Spoiler for transcript:

戦人は、すぐに海へ飛び込みました。
だから、戦人は間に合いました。
まだ魔女の姿を見ることが、間に合いました。


魔女は戦人を見上げ、薄っすらと笑っていました。
言葉は、聞こえません。
でも、はっきりと聞こえました。


言ったろ、戦人。


妾は極悪な魔女だから、罪など償わぬと。
生きてなど、償わぬと。


戦人は必死に、言葉を返しました。
でも言葉は全て、泡となって吐き出されるだけでした。


漆黒の闇へ沈み行く彼女を、戦人は懸命に追いました。


そして、…………その手が、…………届きました…………。


愚かな戦人よ……。
せっかく島を生きて出られたのに……、そなたはそれを投げ出すのか……。


………俺はお前を、離さない。


気持ちは嬉しいぞ。
だが、……妾は幻想の住人。そしてそなたはニンゲン。
帰るべき世界が、違うのだ。


妾は幻想へ帰る。
そしてそなたも自分の世界へ帰るがいい。


どんどん、周りは真っ暗になっていきます。
息苦しくなり、頭や耳が痛くなります。
戦人の指が、……少しずつ、解けていきます。


そしてとうとう。
二人の指は、……離れました。


その途端、……戦人は上の、光の世界へ。
そして魔女は下の、闇の世界へ、……より強い力で引き裂かれていきます。


魔女は、戦人の体が眩しい海面へ向かって浮かんでいくのを見て、安堵しました。
さよなら。戦人。
……そして、ありがとう。


戦人の体が光の世界へ、点となって消えたのを見届け、……魔女はゆっくりと目を閉じます。
そして奈落の世界へ落ち行くことに、永遠の孤独の世界に、全てを委ねました。


その時、………彼女は、感じました。
そんなはずはないのです。
だって、戦人はもう、遥か彼方で点になっているのに。


でも、それは戦人でした。
魔女を追ってきた、戦人でした……。


逃がすかよ。お前は俺だけの、黄金の魔女だ。


………馬鹿戦人……、……馬鹿戦人………。


お前が望む奈落になら、俺も一緒に落ちよう。
そこが虚無の世界ならば、お前と一緒に消えよう。


だが、消える最後の瞬間まで。
………お前は俺のものだ………。


二人は互いをきつく抱き締めました。
……もう、運命は二人を引き裂こうとはしませんでした。


二人は一つとなって、……奈落へと沈んでいきました……。


そして、何も見えない真っ暗な世界で、……ぽっと、輝きました。
それは温かな、黄金の輝き。


それは、黄金の薔薇でした。


それがふわりと、………純白の無垢な砂の敷き詰められた世界に、辿り着きます。
そこには、白い砂に半分埋まった、……小さな箱が。


それは、静かな海の底で安らかに眠る、ベアトリーチェの猫箱。


その上に、ふわりと、……黄金の薔薇は舞い降りるのでした………。




それは、深い深い海の底のお話。
真っ暗な真っ暗な暗闇の中に。
……ほのかに輝く、黄金の薔薇が眠っているという、とてもささやかな物語……。

Thanks a lot! I don't need a translation, that is enough. But do you have the last scrolling scene from the ???? Tea Party?

[Lumy]

Originally Posted by Arcanis

Thanks a lot! I don't need a translation, that is enough. But do you have the last scrolling scene from the ???? Tea Party?

Don't have a transcript at hand, but this has it translated in the annotations.

[AuraTwilight]

You didn't get what I meant. What would that change? What's the difference?

What HAS to change, honestly? It's a possibility, therefore he saw it in his understanding of the truth.

[MeoTwister5]

Short summaries for today. Beato stalls for time.

Spoiler for Summary:

Golden Land
- Kanon and Shannon stand watch over the gate. The pirate goats are on the boat and Kanon is uneasy. He draws his blade but Shannon tells him to stand down.
- Some goats approach with Erika. She delivers an ultimatum for surrender. They allow her to enter the Golden Land garden where she is eyed by everyone. Everyone is either worried or angry. Beato introduces herself to Erika. Erika introduces herself as a representative of those who hold the MetaLibrary.
- Erika says they request that the game board Beato uses is to be turned over to them, saying they find it interesting. Erika says they plan to open it to the public, and everyone has the right to see the contents of her tale.
- Erika says they will attack and take it by force should they refuse. Beato asks if they are willing to destroy the game in the process. Erika says they intend to preserve the game board.
- Erika says this fight is one sided. The Golden Land defenders cannot win. She says if they surrender, they will be allowed to love and continue their parts as pieces for eternity. She gives them some time to think.
- After a while, Beato sighs, and says that the game really ended when her fight with Battler ended. All that has been happening recently are games being repeated by outside forces. She says they are all tired of the game. She laments how people have killed and died over and over in these games.
- Narrator says Beato is of course not revealing to Erika what their true intentions for the catbox, specifically for Ange, are. Erika says that they have forces numbering in the thousands outside ready to attack. Beato says that Lambda has a bunch of friends working with her.
- Beato tells Erika about Lambda's questionable intentions and her supposed fanclub. This is of course to divert Erika's attention from the fact that Lambda abd Battler have left already.
- In the garden, the people argue. Some are in favor of surrendering, others to continue resisting. They wonder whether Lambda is trustworthy and if Battler can succeed. The sisters make fun of Sakutaro for being a lion that's afraid. Dlanor says the academy proof that Erika brought does guarantee that their surrender will be respected. Lion and Will of course do not deny the fact that they could still be executed. Maria starts being creepy again. Kinzo insists honor demands that they fight. He mocks Gohda for being afraid. Zepar and Furfur are still being a pair of idiots.
- Beato says that she personally wishes the fight would end so they can leave the board. Beati continues to act and deflect the subject at hand, perhaps stalling, and Erika is a bit confused. Beato continues to ramble on. Erika agrees she prefers to do this without a fight.
- Beato suggests they can give an answer when everyone is calmer, and when they can get Lambda's opinion on the matter. She asks (?) that they pull the ships back. Erika agrees to give them time to decide for a later time, but says they don't have a lot of time to do it.
- Beato draws a line on the sand while Erika decides to wait until they decide. She asks the siestas to bring Erika a chair and umbrella.
- Back the garden, Beato pats herself on the back for her acting and stalling. The members are still discussing among themselves what they intend to do.
- Erika explains to her goat attendants what she and Beato have discussed. She tells one of them to go back to the fleet and back to Bern to tell her what has happened, perhaps to create a new plan.
- Behind some bushes the Siestas are... hatching a plan. They request permission to assassinate the goat but Beato tells them to stand down. The goat passes Shannon and Kanon and gets back on board. The Siestas stand by to watch over Erika.
- Back at the garden everyone is still talking about their options. Beato to herself asks Battler not to worry, they will protect the Golden Land.