2009-11-21, 15:22 | Link #4702 |
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Even those wary of the government tend to be proud to be an American. They just tend to think that the evil *pick one*(liberals/neo-cons/socalists/facists/whatever) are trying to subvert their beloved nation and turn it into something different. The pride is there, it's just shown in a weird way.
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2009-11-21, 15:53 | Link #4703 | |
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See also: http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/...ar-old_wom.php (with video this time) and tasers are not without side effects, especially on 10 year olds or 73 year olds.. and people wonder why some americans distrusts government so much.. Spoiler for little known recent history:
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2009-11-22, 03:05 | Link #4705 | |
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2009-11-23, 02:24 | Link #4706 | |
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2)GCSE's / A-levels...hmmm used to be challenging. BS now. Gets easier every year. The test is free...wow....last i checked, public high-schools in the U.S were also state run. Of course, in the U.K any school worth its weight in salt is either privately owned or academically selective in nature (grammar school). With the watering down of the UK curriculum too, i'm not seeing the public secondary education as the gold standard it used to be. All state bungled. 3)Human entitlement is all subjective. There is no definition. 4)Define better as it applies to state owned services....what are the trade-offs? There must be some right? 5)"The example of either Norway or Sweden is a great example of healthcare being accessible to anyone due to this simple fact: it is free" ...LOL. SURE. 6)"If the US spent more money on healthcare instead of focusing so much on fictitious terrorism, they'd be more than capable of doing that as well." - While war and anti-terror money would go a long way to healing the deficit, it is impractical and political suicide to cease it completely. Probably wouldn't fund all the nice newly proposed government programs either. By the way, if you see absolutely no terror threat, especially in the U.K, you have your head up your ass. You were alright up to now, if not a tad bit idealistic. But then you started typing without thought... 7)"But just because people died doesn't make war right, nor does it make terrorism real. It's an idea that the Bush administration created for its own purposes. Think what you want. If you want to tell me that I said those deaths are wasted, so be it. " --TRUTHER!!! |
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2009-11-23, 19:59 | Link #4708 | |
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Japan, China, S. Korea agree to share info over food safety
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2009-11-24, 05:01 | Link #4709 | |
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No more world powers fighting each other for word domination, only peace where all girls must wear "mimis" as the new world headdress, all schoolgirls must wear zettai ryouiki, all guys must go for Gundam/VF pilot training, all males are to treat their girlfriends and wives like pets and not physically or emotionally abuse them, and there is a compulsory cosplay every weekend. Anyway, did that experiment yield the legendary Higgs boson?
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2009-11-24, 10:43 | Link #4710 | |
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As to finding out anything about the Higgs Boson one way or another, it will likely be quite a while. They generate several petabytes per second (!!) of data. Since there's presently no way to store data at that rate, they have processing systems to do some basic analysis in order to discard most of that data. There is still a huge amount left, though, which they'll pass on to an enormous distributed computing network that will chew on it for a good long time. If it's there, though, we should notice it from the get-go... Once the data is analyzed. There will be more collisions, and more twiddling of thumbs while each of those experiments is analyzed. Suffice to say we might be waiting a bit.
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2009-11-24, 11:08 | Link #4711 |
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Isn't it dangerous to create tiny black holes? I heard one such thing can suck up enough matter beyond its events horizon (I think it's marked yellow) to destroy Switzerland and half the France under certain circumstances.
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2009-11-24, 11:42 | Link #4712 | |
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Like the rest of the varying schools of thought in modern physics, it's built on a lot of precarious assumptions and hokey religious interpretations of data. In short, a bunch of hooey. The good news is that, a bunch of hooey or not, the math tends to work out. That's basically how it works: We take the math we know works, form our nonsense interpretations, and refine our nonsense as we confirm things that were previously unknown. That's exactly the purpose of these experiments, in fact. So don't worry: According to most of our divergent hypotheses about how the universe works, we'll probably be fine!
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2009-11-24, 11:43 | Link #4713 | |
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This article took me by surprise when I found it.
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2009-11-24, 12:28 | Link #4714 | |
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Great science fiction plot device but ain't happening.
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2009-11-24, 12:32 | Link #4715 | |
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And besides, on the "asian" side of the world, decisions don't usually get made quickly. Anyone who does business there knows that you spend a LOT of time lubricating up the relationship before anything happens.
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2009-11-24, 12:33 | Link #4716 | |
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2009-11-24, 13:13 | Link #4718 | |
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2009-11-24, 13:16 | Link #4719 | |
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Spoiler for Science lesson for black hole:
In the LHC, a similar concept applies as two particles are blasted at each other at high speeds. Due to the Principle Conservation of Energy, combined with threshold energy level of the protons, it breaks up into smaller pieces, which is what the scientists want. Unfortunately, since this test takes place in an almost ideal environment, the Ideal Gas law can be applied, thus the application of the hydrostatic equilibrium and gravitational collapse. However for a micro black hole to be formed, the total particles must be compressed within this Schwartzchild radius : R = 2G (Mass of 2 protons) / (speed of light^2) = 2 (6.67428+/-0.00067 * 10^-11) (2 * 1.672621637 * 10^-27) / (9*10^16) I calculated the radius to be 4.961575618 * 10^-54 < R < 4.962073687 * 10^-54 metres. The total surface area of the black hole is between 3.117449902 * 10^-53 < A < 3.117762848 * 10^-53 sq metres. The gravitational field strength from the event horizon is taken as g = G (theoretical mass of black hole at moment of formation) / Schwartzchild radius^2 Since the theoretical mass of the black hole at moment of formation is assumed to be the total mass of protons due to being in the vicinity at the moment of gravitational collapse, the gravitational field strength is 4.533939433 * 10^69 < g < 9.070609984 * 10^69 newtons per kg. However, the large hadron collider has a tunnel with diameter 27000 metres wide, the gravitational field strength at the point of the internal surface of the tunnel will be 1.225080399 * 10^-36 < g < 1.225203380 * 10^-36 newtons per kg, a negligibly small value. In order to further increase its gravitational force, the micro black hole has to increase its mass. However, it is unable to even exert a decent force to pull particles off the walls of the collider to fatten itself due to the combined magnetic, gravitational, electric and nuclear forces that held the atoms on the surface together. Secondly, the vacuum inside the collider prevents the micro black hole from appropriating any kind of physical mass to grow itself. There may be a possibility that it may absorb energy and convert it to mass, but the Zeroth law of thermodynamics, combined with Le Chatelier's Principle, requires the black hole to be in thermal equilibrium, and thus it will emit radiation to compensate for the energy absorbed. Thirdly, as a black hole is known as an unstable mass, it will attempt to stabilise itself by emitting Hawking radiation. The time for the black hole to evaporate is 3.925190770 * 10^-53 < t < 3.925978873 * 10^-53 seconds. If none of the calculations above are wrong, I have proven outside of Murphy's law that the experiment is perfectly safe.
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2009-11-24, 13:23 | Link #4720 |
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Some basics physics can help understand the glossed over explanations CERN has concerning the safety of the LHC. The actual arguments are far more complex, though, and a basic handbook of physics won't help confirm or deny their math. The good news is that lots of people can do the math have been checking this stuff for a long time. Physics is not free of the "theory religion" that plagues, oh, every branch of science, but math itself and the body of evidence being studied are both pretty concrete. Regardless of the speculation about the still-unknown and the flaws in models of physics, we have math that works.
I think it's intellectually dishonest to overlook the fact that people with real physics educations are the ones who came up with these doomsday scenarios that have caused public alarm, BUT... I don't have a solution for said public alarm. Saying "Don't worry, we checked the math and it's OK," doesn't do much to ease the fears of people who can't do the math regardless of how true it is. There is one clear fact, though, that should put an end to the debate: We're still here. There's been a collision, but Europe wasn't consumed in a black hole and the universe is still here. I think that at this point, it's safe to say things will be fine. All in good time, sir! All in good time!
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