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Someone I know even went through the raws to confirm this, and that is indeed what she managed to do; Medaka somehow forced everyone into speaking a version of Japanese where those syllables did not exist. That's why it's so ridiculous. Quote:
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2012-09-27, 23:16 | Link #10682 | |
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I don't know if you're purposefully being dense, but you've already been anwsered this question, so I'll reply to you one last time:
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And...you think that's the best thing since sliced bread? That's a...nice opinion you have there. Good thing you're here to enlighten us on all those complex nuances. |
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2012-09-27, 23:24 | Link #10683 |
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I'd like to point out that I don't have a flying fucking idea of what is going in this manga and I haven't for a while, but the entire time I'm reading it there's an air of stuffy and superiority that always bothers me. I don't even know if saying things will be 'predictably unpredictable' even sounds right but that's what I feel like.
I just want some normal shit to happen, god damn.
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2012-09-27, 23:51 | Link #10686 | |||
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Also, lol, yes, Medaka Box is totally a straightforward manga . Not that the general gist of the plot is usually difficult to follow, but this is fucking Nishio we're talking about, dude. Tell me you think you completely understood the operation of all of the dozens of made-up games and wordplay abilities Nishio threw into the manga. Alternatively tell me if you can give a concise, well-defined summary of the differences between Normals, Specials, Abnormals, Not Equals, Pluses, Minuses, Skills, Minus Skills, and Styles. You'd think all of this stuff is simple, but apparently there is tons of variation in readers' understanding of these concepts across the western fanbase. |
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Seems like you're the one who doesn't understand the manga. Quote:
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2012-09-28, 01:59 | Link #10689 |
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So guys, if you're telling that Shiranui is up to something then you should also consider that Kumagawa's inability to erase the memories of Medaka and Zenkichi was also part of a plan? So Kumagawa lied to them because he's up to something too, right? I mean he said that they didn't forget about Shiranui because "her feelings are still at Hakoniwa Academy".
Or her feelings are real after all and all these events weren't part of some sort of plan. |
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Previously I was not really expecting Medaka to stand a chance against Iihiko without (for example) somehow getting ridiculously beaten up to the point of being forced to expose her darkness inside. However, at this rate it looks like Medaka's growth after she threw off her limiters from her old personality has actually already reached the point that she is practically bending reality in the same way as Iihiko. This is suggesting that Medaka's base abilities might end up legitimately reaching Iihiko-levels of brokenness in the near future. The impending possibility of such a scenario puts even more pressure on the object of the story's recent focus, Medaka's interpersonal and emotional growth as a human. Quote:
If you don't understand the reasoning for a plot twist now, go back and read the chapters again sometime later. Your explanation will turn up eventually. The only important point in the present that you should care about is that the story remains entertaining. Quote:
The point besides is that any continuing/multiple-volume story is gonna feature throwbacks/connections to events earlier in a series, and future happenings can cause you to look at earlier events in an entirely new light. So given that none of Nishio's series have remotely been completely translated yet, it is obviously impossible for you to have captured all of the meaning of a story. The same thing applies to ongoing chapters of Medaka Box. The things you claim are "inconsistent" or "don't make sense" are small, incomplete parts of a bigger picture. Quote:
Regardless, my earlier points about the Japanese fanbase have not even particularly been about the language. It's actually about the nature of the fanbases themselves. Over here in English-speaking land, a circlejerk has developed over hating Medaka, and people legitimately believing there is/was a chance for Zenkichi to be the "real" main character. The progression of this circlejerk is fed by limited direct contact to the actual situation and reception of the manga in Japan, leading to expectations for the story which are detached from reality. For reasons including the lack of widespread availability of Nishio's works in English, these false expectations are further exasperated by the western fandom's general lack of understanding of what to expect from this author. This leads to disappointed followers, and a generally angry and disrespectful readerbase. The purpose of saying "defer to the Japanese fanbase" is that they are the people whose opinions actually matter, and whose support upon which the continuation of the manga actually depends. Not to mention, although this may not particularly apply to the most visible segment of Medaka's japanese fandom (the Jump readers)--Medaka Box's audience in Japan are much more likely to be thoroughly familiar with the style of works from Nishio, leading to more accurate evaluations in terms of what to expect. This is particularly true for the Medaka Box fandom on 2ch, who are not only active enough to support regular weekly spoilers earlier than even the big 3 Jump series, but are also much more organized and successful in serious efforts like decoding the various riddles Nishio throws out. Further advantages the Japanese fandom has over us include access to supplementary material like audio drama cds or the light novels. All in all, it can be said that the western fandom faces severe disadvantages in terms of resources for the sake of being able to predict/understand Medaka Box as a whole, and that it should be expected that the Japanese fanbase have a much more complete picture of the intent and story. That's why, although Jump rankings should probably be considered less representative than volume sales in terms of Medaka Box's popularity and reception in Japan, it is utterly ridiculous to dismiss reactions from that audience like the western view has any greater meaning at all. Last edited by Sol Falling; 2012-09-28 at 03:23. |
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2012-09-28, 08:20 | Link #10691 | |
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2012-09-28, 08:23 | Link #10692 | |
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2012-09-28, 10:03 | Link #10694 |
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Well I was somewhat surprised...looks like Medaka doesn't just curbstomp Ihiko. But of all characters, why Oudo to save the day? I mean, he does still have something of an amicable relationship with Medaka, but what?!!
At the same time, I like that they're trying to keep certain characters relevant. Now if we could get those kendo delinquents... Why a matchup between Ihiko and Akune? |
2012-09-28, 13:18 | Link #10696 | |
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But to me, I'd guess that Zenkichi wasn't a variable that was factored in, as he probably remembers Shiranui because, well, they're best friends and she loves him and all. I'd guess that's going to play a bigger part when this plot gets unveiled, if it's even there. |
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2012-09-28, 14:00 | Link #10699 |
Homo Ludens
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I don't think I mentioned it here, but I think it's worth discussing: Oudo claims that, "right now, [he's] nobody", which suggests to me that he might be a member of the Shiranui family, that is, another double. (Maguro's?)
That'd give him a valid reason to be around and might help explain why or how he can subdue Iihiko. |
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