Shiniki no Campioness

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

"Yes, when I used that grimoire in Japan, I spent a whole night talking to the god that was causing problems. I had to hear him complain about his hatred and suffering, so I seized the opportunity and stole the [Power Divine] from the bloke as soon as possible, turning it into an empty shell. However, this was only possible because he was a comparatively weak deity. After that, I had the venerated grimoire there, to prevent the god from reviving.(Volume 3 / Chapter 6 / Part 1)

So if [Prometheus' Grimoire] does not steal the divine power as you say, whence came the divine power that Godou used to fire the White Stallion power that was stuck in Verethragna.

I understand, you're saying that a human who was not a magician and had not killed a god, yet had enough magical power to use SKILL [White Stallion](not divine power because [Prometheus' Grimoire] does not steal divine power) with enough power to kill a God?

I have been a fan of the series since 2012, I have read all the volumes of Campione! and sincerely. This does not make sense to me.

In this series, there's a method which one's life force can be used as a substitution for magical energy. To activate it prometheus Grimoire, Godou lost his life. [White Stallion] that Godou use through the grimoire has an extremely limited output. It didn't leave a huge scorched land or created a second sun.

The reasons why that reduced flame can kill Veretharagna, because he stood at the pointblank range and the god was willing to be killed.

I, too, have been a fan of this series since 2012. I've also read all the volumes. It's just a matter of clashing perspective and opinions.

Originally Posted by GodSoul

Rama in this incomplete state produced a platinum colored sun that created a huge crater, killed the boar, and did not kill Doni, Godou and Aisha because they escaped into the Fairy's Corridor, combined Grand Luck with the corrective force maintaining history. He in an incomplete state showed to have power comparable to Lancelot du Lac(with full power) and surpassing Perseus / Mithras.

But I understand what you mean. If a god does not have Man of Steel, does he not count as god? he is not often stronger than a divine beast, right?. So for you Perseus / Mithras, Verethragna, Athena / Medusa, Artio, Pandora, Circe, Melqart, are not gods since they do not have Man of Steel, even though [Camel] can kill him's, that does not mean he can kill a god, since they are not gods, and so?

Let's separate firepower from durability shall we? It's true that incomplete Rama demonstrate a very powerful attack potency, but his durability simply isn't that good. Godou struck him at his vital spot when he's weaken. That's why [Camel] managed to score a win. Luo Hao stuck her palm at the same spot an achieved the same result too. [Camel] wasn't that powerful. Can it injure gods? Yes, it can. Can it killed a full powered god? Maybe, if that god stand still and let Godou kicks till he dies.

About the man of steel part. I'm sorry, but I couldn't understand what are you trying to say.

Originally Posted by GodSoul

Verethragna, Sun Wukong, and Lancelot all showed changes in their personalities once they regained their full power.

Verethragna behaved like a true god when godou first met him, in their reunion when goat attacked a town, Godou was instinctively able to notice a change in the magical power of Verethragna, and his personality had become more arrogant. In his third encounter when he had already regained ninety percent of his power he was totally Heretic.

Before regaining his full power, Lancelot du Lac behaved like Guinevere guardian, as his power grew, he already knew that he would leave Guinevere.

While Sun Wukong was sealed, he behaved like a traverse monkeywhen he was released he still did not have his full power, and behaved cautiously with the two campione, after regaining his full power he became arrogant, wanting to crush the campiones in a direct confrontation.

Godou's girls had changes in their behavior after receiving [Adolescent], even Godou changed their behavior while wearing [Adolescent].

Voban's wolves show enough intelligence in their fight against Ren and Riona, using a tactic to pluck the head to hit Riona who was flying, I've never seen a puppet do this.

This same intelligence was not shown by the wolves that were killed by Erica. The divine beasts with more POWER showed more intelligence in the series than the weaker ones, like the centipede who used guerrilla tactics to deal with Godou.

How could Heretic gods' personality shifted related to a product of campione's authority?

Godou's behavior changed was due to his authority effectively calmed his mind down and the girls doesn't behave differently with [Youth]'s divine protection.

You said that if Voban's wolf follow the [boar]'s principle. It might run wild and disobey Voban. His werewolf doesn't possess an ego nor personality. However, it has intelligence and instinct to get the job done. I'll guess I'll use AI or robot instead of puppet then. It might convey my message a little bit better.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by roronoa20

In this series, there's a method which one's life force can be used as a substitution for magical energy. To activate it prometheus Grimoire, Godou lost his life. [White Stallion] that Godou use through the grimoire has an extremely limited output. It didn't leave a huge scorched land or created a second sun.

The reasons why that reduced flame can kill Veretharagna, because he stood at the pointblank range and the god was willing to be killed.

I, too, have been a fan of this series since 2012. I've also read all the volumes. It's just a matter of clashing perspective and opinions.

"It is true, the ENERGY STORED in the stone of Prometheus has been exhausted now." There is no other way to drive the monster away. "If you can not understand this, then you can only be described as a fool." (Verethragna to godou)
(Volume 3 / Chapter 4 / part 3)
because it uses the word ENERGY STORED, instead of STORED SKILL

Sir Brennan a skilled magician, equipped with a divine tool, used this method in his duel with Voban, he also used a spell to reinforce the attack and did not reach a tenth of a god's power, Verethragna was still magically powerful enough to fire a lightning over Godou. If Godou used his own power he certainly would not have enough to kill Verethragna, and if [Prometheus' Grimoire] stole only skills, without stealing magical power, then the god himself without an authority would have killed Lucretia and regained his authority without being transformed into an empty shell. Even a god on the verge of death has much more power than a human, this god escaped from the confinement and went after the [Prometheus' Grimoire] to regain his power, in his morinbundo state he beat Lu Yinghua, Sayanomiya Kaoru and Amakasu Touma. If Lucretia just took her skill / authority, she would be dead long before the series started

PS: all that I have read so far about [Prometheus' Grimoire], and that a human who attempts to use the stored divine power can suffer an agonizing death.

"By the way, I wanted to remind you.It is better if you do not use the stored divine power. For humans is very powerful. If used, it can cause the brain and blood of the whole body to boil. An extremely painful death. The user before me also died like this.I'm not fooling you. " (Volume 3 / Chapter 6 / Part 1)

But I may be wrong so could you show me where it was said that Godou used his life force to use it?

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Let's separate firepower from durability shall we? It's true that incomplete Rama demonstrate a very powerful attack potency, but his durability simply isn't that good. Godou struck him at his vital spot when he's weaken. That's why [Camel] managed to score a win. Luo Hao stuck her palm at the same spot an achieved the same result too. [Camel] wasn't that powerful. Can it injure gods? Yes, it can. Can it killed a full powered god? Maybe, if that god stand still and let Godou kicks till he dies.

About the man of steel part. I'm sorry, but I couldn't understand what are you trying to say.

As for durability, if you say he won because the body was fragile in ancient Gaul. Rama(complete) fought again with Godou but without the great ritual of the Old Covenant, he spared Rama's life when he struck a swivel blow at his head, Rama recalled that Godou had not used much power in this attack and that he would have died had he attacked seriously.

But if in that state he is still fragile, then all that remains is to say that God Rama is made of sugar when he does not have the great ritual of the Old Covenant to support, and even more fragile than a divine beast. So the [Camel] can not kill a god who uses The great ritual of the Old Covenant.

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Can it killed a full powered god? Maybe, if that god stand still and let Godou kicks till he dies.

I do not know a single Godou authority who can killed a full powered god. [White stallion] can kill a god if that god stand still and let Godou kill him. [Camel] can kill a divine beast in a single kick, Rama, even incomplete had much more power and stamina than a divine beast, against the avatars of Verethragna who had been transformed into divine beasts by Circe, Godou should have been able to kill them easily if only his skill/authority, and no divine power were taken.

Among all the authorities that Godou took from Verethragna, [Gale] [Adolescent] [Ram] are the only ones I know who can not kill a god, all the others can kill if you know how to use it at the right time. These are authorities to kill a god. The human, divine beasts and others are piece of cake, or at least, and so it should be, following the logic of the series

Originally Posted by roronoa20

How could Heretic gods' personality shifted related to a product of campione's authority?

Godou's behavior changed was due to his authority effectively calmed his mind down and the girls doesn't behave differently with [Youth]'s divine protection.

You said that if Voban's wolf follow the [boar]'s principle. It might run wild and disobey Voban. His werewolf doesn't possess an ego nor personality. However, it has intelligence and instinct to get the job done. I'll guess I'll use AI or robot instead of puppet then. It might convey my message a little bit better.

About Voban's wolves, I may be wrong at that point.

Originally Posted by Sakamaki Izayoi

Not even 2 volumes into it and I already like Ren more than Godou(though, he was a decent MC too), actually I feel like I'll probably enjoy this a bit more than Campione.

What I liked the most in this new series, and that the girls are not in love with the protagonist at first sight. Liliana, Yuri and Ena (mainly this one), I never liked how they entered the harem, in my opinion was very forced. Godou saves the girl and buuum, she falls in love.

Until the volume 2 of Shiniki no Campioness, I had the impression that Riona looks at Ren more like a partner, for Cassandra he is more like a brother, and Stella, well she seems to be a passionate tsundere, but she is already with him a lot more time than the others.

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

"It is true, the ENERGY STORED in the stone of Prometheus has been exhausted now." There is no other way to drive the monster away. "If you can not understand this, then you can only be described as a fool." (Verethragna to godou)
(Volume 3 / Chapter 4 / part 3)
because it uses the word ENERGY STORED, instead of STORED SKILL

Sir Brennan a skilled magician, equipped with a divine tool, used this method in his duel with Voban, he also used a spell to reinforce the attack and did not reach a tenth of a god's power, Verethragna was still magically powerful enough to fire a lightning over Godou. If Godou used his own power he certainly would not have enough to kill Verethragna, and if [Prometheus' Grimoire] stole only skills, without stealing magical power, then the god himself without an authority would have killed Lucretia and regained his authority without being transformed into an empty shell. Even a god on the verge of death has much more power than a human, this god escaped from the confinement and went after the [Prometheus' Grimoire] to regain his power, in his morinbundo state he beat Lu Yinghua, Sayanomiya Kaoru and Amakasu Touma. If Lucretia just took her skill / authority, she would be dead long before the series started

PS: all that I have read so far about [Prometheus' Grimoire], and that a human who attempts to use the stored divine power can suffer an agonizing death.

"By the way, I wanted to remind you.It is better if you do not use the stored divine power. For humans is very powerful. If used, it can cause the brain and blood of the whole body to boil. An extremely painful death. The user before me also died like this.I'm not fooling you. " (Volume 3 / Chapter 6 / Part 1)

But I may be wrong so could you show me where it was said that Godou used his life force to use it?

Truly, I got this part wrong. 'Authority = skill' this shouldn't be applied to the heretic gods. I said that we shouldn't use heretic gods as a case study for campione, it's also true in reverse. However, I still stand that campione doesn't gain an increase in magical capacity from usurping an authority. Since, we have no confirmation statement from the book.

Originally Posted by GodSoul

As for durability, if you say he won because the body was fragile in ancient Gaul. Rama(complete) fought again with Godou but without the great ritual of the Old Covenant, he spared Rama's life when he struck a swivel blow at his head, Rama recalled that Godou had not used much power in this attack and that he would have died had he attacked seriously.

But if in that state he is still fragile, then all that remains is to say that God Rama is made of sugar when he does not have the great ritual of the Old Covenant to support, and even more fragile than a divine beast. So the [Camel] can not kill a god who uses The great ritual of the Old Covenant.

Yes, Incomplete Rama's durability is weaker than fully-powered god. There's 3 factors why [Camel] manage to score a win from Rama at that moment.

1. Rama was caught off guard thus his defense is lower.
2. He wasn't in his peak physical condition which mean less durability and fire power. (His peak form does indeed show an even stronger attack power.)
3. It hit his vital spot. His heart was show to be particularly weak. Luo Hao was capable of subduing him with a blow to the chest.

The aftermath of this attack was the same.

1.Rama got hit at his chest area.
2. His body exploded violently.

In vol. 17, Godou managed to defeat Rama with [Camel] due to the intervention of Athena. Her cursed caused him to lose a sizable amount of magical energy and dispelled his awakened state.

In vol.21, Complete Rama didn't say that he would've died. He only said that Godou kick was weaker than usual, and still pretty nonchalant about it. This is the only time when fully powered Rama vs [Camel]

「……Your kick, it was weaker compared to before.」

Rama talked suspiciously while Godou was still bending over him. As expected from a war god, he was nonchalant even after getting hit on the temple.

「I am already defeated by your kick twice.」

「Both of them were because you were dog tired from only just getting revived, or when you lost control, so they cannot be used as reference. More importantly」

Godou even said himself that it didn't count

Rama isn't weak, but [Camel] doesn't have enough power to kill the god, unless said god was weaken, caught off guard or hit the vital spot. Godou couldn't even kill [Bull] with this authority.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Truly, I got this part wrong. 'Authority = skill' this shouldn't be applied to the heretic gods. I said that we shouldn't use heretic gods as a case study for campione, it's also true in reverse. However, I still stand that campione doesn't gain an increase in magical capacity from usurping an authority. Since, we have no confirmation statement from the book.




Yes, Incomplete Rama's durability is weaker than fully-powered god. There's 3 factors why [Camel] manage to score a win from Rama at that moment.

1. Rama was caught off guard thus his defense is lower.
2. He wasn't in his peak physical condition which mean less durability and fire power. (His peak form does indeed show an even stronger attack power.)
3. It hit his vital spot. His heart was show to be particularly weak. Luo Hao was capable of subduing him with a blow to the chest.

The aftermath of this attack was the same.

1.Rama got hit at his chest area.
2. His body exploded violently.

In vol. 17, Godou managed to defeat Rama with [Camel] due to the intervention of Athena. Her cursed caused him to lose a sizable amount of magical energy and dispelled his awakened state.

In vol.21, Complete Rama didn't say that he would've died. He only said that Godou kick was weaker than usual, and still pretty nonchalant about it. This is the only time when fully powered Rama vs [Camel]

「……Your kick, it was weaker compared to before.」

Rama talked suspiciously while Godou was still bending over him. As expected from a war god, he was nonchalant even after getting hit on the temple.

「I am already defeated by your kick twice.」

「Both of them were because you were dog tired from only just getting revived, or when you lost control, so they cannot be used as reference. More importantly」

Godou even said himself that it didn't count

Rama isn't weak, but [Camel] doesn't have enough power to kill the god, unless said god was weaken, caught off guard or hit the vital spot. Godou couldn't even kill [Bull] with this authority.

You are disregarding the fact that Rama is a god of steel, and one of the strongest.

The kicks vary in strength, a kick with full power explodes, burns, etc the target, leading to destruction, the normal kick just breaks your body, or sometimes causes smaller bursts of energy.

Basically you can not compare these scenes, they are different times for all sides, remembering that Rama even without his sword and pact claimed to be able to defeat Athena in direct combat.


And in any case it has already been reported that a [Camel] kick can destroy Dragon-level divine beasts, it's actually a simple thing to kill these beasts, Ame no Murakumo in Ena's hands could do that, and it became clear that being used by Godou is even bigger (battle against Hanuman).

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

You are disregarding the fact that Rama is a god of steel, and one of the strongest.

The kicks vary in strength, a kick with full power explodes, burns, etc the target, leading to destruction, the normal kick just breaks your body, or sometimes causes smaller bursts of energy.

Basically you can not compare these scenes, they are different times for all sides, remembering that Rama even without his sword and pact claimed to be able to defeat Athena in direct combat.

Yes, he's the strongest and got his butt kick because he's not in his top condition.

Every time that Godou scored a win, it's that explosive kick. I can definitely compare these scene. The condition is similar. Rama's tired and not in his complete state. Godou even uses the same attack

Rama can beat Athena in a single combat. That's the fact. However, it was a curse that Athena used against Rama, they weren't having a mexican stand off and lunging at each other.

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

And in any case it has already been reported that a [Camel] kick can destroy Dragon-level divine beasts, it's actually a simple thing to kill these beasts, Ame no Murakumo in Ena's hands could do that, and it became clear that being used by Godou is even bigger (battle against Hanuman).

[Camel] can destroy Dragon-level divine beast, but we're not talking about divine beast. It's about either [Camel] has enough power to kill a fully-powered god or not. It can't even kill [Bull] which is a divine beast fragmented from Godou's authority. Ama no murakumo isn't a topic of discussion here.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Yes, he's the strongest and got his butt kick because he's not in his top condition.

Every time that Godou scored a win, it's that explosive kick. I can definitely compare these scene. The condition is similar. Rama's tired and not in his complete state. Godou even uses the same attack

Rama can beat Athena in a single combat. That's the fact. However, it was a curse that Athena used against Rama, they weren't having a mexican stand off and lunging at each other.



[Camel] can destroy Dragon-level divine beast, but we're not talking about divine beast. It's about either [Camel] has enough power to kill a fully-powered god or not. It can't even kill [Bull] which is a divine beast fragmented from Godou's authority. Ama no murakumo isn't a topic of discussion here.

To my knowledge, it was being discussed that Godou lost power with his incarnations, and so the [Camel] kick did not kill an opponent he would normally kill in a kick.

I quoted Ame in Murakumo to show that there is variation of power of an Authority according to the power of the user.

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

To my knowledge, it was being discussed that Godou lost power with his incarnations, and so the [Camel] kick did not kill an opponent he would normally kill in a kick.

I quoted Ame in Murakumo to show that there is variation of power of an Authority according to the power of the user.

Losing an incarnation has no effect on Godou's magic reserve. There's no dialogue that confirm or imply that he lost his magical energy. If the author doesn't write it down, it's not a fact.

In Baka's translation, Voban never mention a lost of magical energy at all, and he lost several full authorities.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Truly, I got this part wrong. 'Authority = skill' this shouldn't be applied to the heretic gods. I said that we shouldn't use heretic gods as a case study for campione, it's also true in reverse. However, I still stand that campione doesn't gain an increase in magical capacity from usurping an authority. Since, we have no confirmation statement from the book.

「Fufufufu. This thing is the genuine Circle of Usurpation. We bestowed a new name to this divine tool that was once crowned with the name of pillage. The usurpation of god’s POWER AND AUTHORITY by humans who was turned into godslayer……. This is the vessel for the sake to realize that.」(volume 21/Chapter 2/Part 2)

Apparently, the person who had just crushed the sense of Ren's curiosity spoke of his past simply as a whim. Along with a dignified expression that could only come from the nobility of the past, the Marquis Voban twisted his lips into something that was not a mocking, much less cynical smile. Immediately afterwards, Fenrir's body lying behind him disappeared. Suddenly it was shattered when they themselves had turned to dust and scattered through the air. However, the senses of Ren, of the Assassin of Gods known as Ren, saw this. The magical power that lay in the body and soul of the great Fenrir wolf was being absorbed by its predator. (volume 2 / Chapter 4 / Part 1 = Shiniki no Campioness)

""""The magical power that lay in the body and soul of the great Fenrir wolf was being absorbed by its predator. """""

In this text of SNC you can read MAGIC POWER, no skills / authority, and MAGIC POWER.

If the usurpation of divine power happens only once, as you yourself say. And after killing another god, divine power will not be gained, only abilities / authorities, because Godou did not receive a Lancelot authority? Guinevere did not steal Lancelot's abilities / authority, she stole his divine power, and as the two are different(how do you say), it makes no sense Godou does not have a skills / authority of Lancelot.

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Losing an incarnation has no effect on Godou's magic reserve. There's no dialogue that confirm or imply that he lost his magical energy. If the author doesn't write it down, it's not a fact.

In Baka's translation, Voban never mention a lost of magical energy at all, and he lost several full authorities.

When Fenrir dies his magical power and absorbed by Voban with Ren as a witness, the magical power of the god becomes an authority in the body of the campione that has been affirmed many times in the series, so if this authority is lost, then what is the logic of magical power not to be lost in the process?

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Rama talked suspiciously while Godou was still bending over him. As expected from a war god, he was nonchalant even after getting hit on the temple.

「I am already defeated by your kick twice.」

「Both of them were because you were dog tired from only just getting revived, or when you lost control, so they cannot be used as reference. More importantly」

Godou even said himself that it didn't count

Rama isn't weak, but [Camel] doesn't have enough power to kill the god, unless said god was weaken, caught off guard or hit the vital spot. Godou couldn't even kill [Bull] with this authority.

Godou is hypocrite, throughout the series he will always use an excuse to depreciate his feats, when he had a duel with Doni in ancient galia, Doni was preparing to cut godou in two in a single blow, Godou saw through Doni scheme, asked him not to use these tricks with a newbie, which Doni replied that if he was really a beginner he would not have realized his intentions. No matter how many victories he has, he always finds an excuse to lessen his achievement. Godou will always insist on being a pacifist.

Godou did not want to kill Rama, his goal was to defeat him and become his friend to defeat the goddess of fate.

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

「Fufufufu. This thing is the genuine Circle of Usurpation. We bestowed a new name to this divine tool that was once crowned with the name of pillage. The usurpation of god’s POWER AND AUTHORITY by humans who was turned into godslayer……. This is the vessel for the sake to realize that.」(volume 21/Chapter 2/Part 2)

Apparently, the person who had just crushed the sense of Ren's curiosity spoke of his past simply as a whim. Along with a dignified expression that could only come from the nobility of the past, the Marquis Voban twisted his lips into something that was not a mocking, much less cynical smile. Immediately afterwards, Fenrir's body lying behind him disappeared. Suddenly it was shattered when they themselves had turned to dust and scattered through the air. However, the senses of Ren, of the Assassin of Gods known as Ren, saw this. The magical power that lay in the body and soul of the great Fenrir wolf was being absorbed by its predator. (volume 2 / Chapter 4 / Part 1 = Shiniki no Campioness)

""""The magical power that lay in the body and soul of the great Fenrir wolf was being absorbed by its predator. """""

In this text of SNC you can read MAGIC POWER, no skills / authority, and MAGIC POWER.

If the usurpation of divine power happens only once, as you yourself say. And after killing another god, divine power will not be gained, only abilities / authorities, because Godou did not receive a Lancelot authority? Guinevere did not steal Lancelot's abilities / authority, she stole his divine power, and as the two are different(how do you say), it makes no sense Godou does not have a skills / authority of Lancelot.



When Fenrir dies his magical power and absorbed by Voban with Ren as a witness, the magical power of the god becomes an authority in the body of the campione that has been affirmed many times in the series, so if this authority is lost, then what is the logic of magical power not to be lost in the process?

I've never said magical power. I said magical energy which can be use as a fuel to activate authority. Does Ren, Riona or narrative state that Voban's magical energy has increased? No, they didn't. When Ren gained Nike's authority, did he say that his magical energy has increased?

Power is an ability to do something.

Energy is a strength require to sustain physical or mental activity.

Of course, God's divine power would become an authority when usurped by godslayer.

When Alec gained [The Labyrinth], he never mentioned an increase in magic capacity.

Godou gaining Sun Stealer or losing his incarnation has never mention a change in his internal magic reserve.

If killing a god increase your reserve, shouldn't the author put it in his author notes or somewhere in the series? In the entirety of this series, not even once that Godou has his magical capacity increased except the time he became godslayer.

Originally Posted by GodSoul

Godou is hypocrite, throughout the series he will always use an excuse to depreciate his feats, when he had a duel with Doni in ancient galia, Doni was preparing to cut godou in two in a single blow, Godou saw through Doni scheme, asked him not to use these tricks with a newbie, which Doni replied that if he was really a beginner he would not have realized his intentions. No matter how many victories he has, he always finds an excuse to lessen his achievement.

Godou did not want to kill Rama, his goal was to defeat him and become his friend to defeat the goddess of fate.

Yes, that kick wasn't pack with killing intention. However, the previous two was a success due to an outside factor not that Godou was holding back. Rama at full power never once face the maximum output [Camel]. The other gods and campione who face that kick wasn't dead either. Doni got it smash right at his head and only lost his consciousness.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Yes, that kick wasn't pack with killing intention. However, the previous two was a success due to an outside factor not that Godou was holding back. Rama at full power never once face the maximum output [Camel]. The other gods and campione who face that kick wasn't dead either. Doni got it smash right at his head and only lost his consciousness.

I do not remember Doni getting a kick with power to kill like the one who defeated Rama, was closer to the kick that broke the bones of Athena.

Besides that Man of Steel is a defensive Authority that already supports the White Stallion without any notable damage, it does not serve as a basis.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by roronoa20

I've never said magical power. I said magical energy which can be use as a fuel to activate authority. Does Ren, Riona or narrative state that Voban's magical energy has increased? No, they didn't. When Ren gained Nike's authority, did he say that his magical energy has increased?

Power is an ability to do something.

Energy is a strength require to sustain physical or mental activity.

Of course, God's divine power would become an authority when usurped by godslayer.

When Alec gained [The Labyrinth], he never mentioned an increase in magic capacity.

Godou gaining Sun Stealer or losing his incarnation has never mention a change in his internal magic reserve.

If killing a god increase your reserve, shouldn't the author put it in his author notes or somewhere in the series? In the entirety of this series, not even once that Godou has his magical capacity increased except the time he became godslayer.



Yes, that kick wasn't pack with killing intention. However, the previous two was a success due to an outside factor not that Godou was holding back. Rama at full power never once face the maximum output [Camel]. The other gods and campione who face that kick wasn't dead either. Doni got it smash right at his head and only lost his consciousness.

Yes, you're right. I'm wrong.

In the campione series that I read, magical power, aka ki / chi / qi are the same, and authorities consume large amounts of magical power or aka ki / chi / qi, this was stated throughout the series, I am impressed by someone who says he is a fan of the series since 2012 have read all the volumes, not knowing this.

I think it's not just our perspective and opinions that are different, the series we are reading should also be.

I'm wrong to think that you and I are reading the same series. So, frankly, I'm sorry for making you waste your time.

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

Yes, you're right. I'm wrong.

In the campione series that I read, magical power, aka ki / chi / qi are the same, and authorities consume large amounts of magical power or aka ki / chi / qi, this was stated throughout the series, I am impressed by someone who says he is a fan of the series since 2012 have read all the volumes, not knowing this.

I think it's not just our perspective and opinions that are different, the series we are reading should also be.

I'm wrong to think that you and I are reading the same series. So, frankly, I'm sorry for making you waste your time.

Ok, let's start with this.

I'm truly sorry for using the word 'magical energy'. I intend use this word since it might do a better job conveying what I want to say. 'Magical energy' that I use mean 'ki /chi /qi' or whenever that used to fuel the authority. If it confuse or upset you, I'm truly sorry.

The point that I want to say is. There's no mention of magical power got increased from usurping divine power. Godslayer only gain authority when usurp gods authority. Voban never stated that he lost his magical energy in SNC. If what you said is the case, then it should be written in the book.

I definitely read the same series as you, regardless of what you've thought.

Talking to you is pretty fun for me though. At least, I hope it won't end with a sour note.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Ok, let's start with this.

I'm truly sorry for using the word 'magical energy'. I intend use this word since it might do a better job conveying what I want to say. 'Magical energy' that I use mean 'ki /chi /qi' or whenever that used to fuel the authority. If it confuse or upset you, I'm truly sorry.

The point that I want to say is. There's no mention of magical power got increased from usurping divine power. Godslayer only gain authority when usurp gods authority. Voban never stated that he lost his magical energy in SNC. If what you said is the case, then it should be written in the book.

I definitely read the same series as you, regardless of what you've thought.

Talking to you is pretty fun for me though. At least, I hope it won't end with a sour note.

I understand

So let's use the perspective of a game: Mp for magical power.
Voban has 2000 Mp and Fenrir wolf has 1000 Mp (this is just an example)
During his fight Voban spends 1000 mp, and Fenrir wolf spends 900 Mp, then vobam kill Fenrir wolf when only 100 Mp is missing, by the logic he must earn 100 mp of Fenrir.

If the divine power of Fenrir is in Voban, over time he must recover those 900 of Mp that were spent by Fenrir in his fight, but the 1000 he spent, a total of 3000 or he can regain only power comparable to authority which he obtained, in that case when Voban is recovering he would have between 2000 and 3000 Mp points (this is just an example)

When Godou became campione, he remained several hours unconscious, its magical power and its authorities should be recovering during this time and adapting to Godou.

"There is no way to know which one had the most magical power, but I bet on Voban, and this 2000 and 1000 numbers are mere illustrations to convey my point of view, it has no relation to the series."

I also think it's fun to talk to you and discuss the series

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

I understand

So let's use the perspective of a game: Mp for magical power.
Voban has 2000 Mp and Fenrir wolf has 1000 Mp (this is just an example)
During his fight Voban spends 1000 mp, and Fenrir wolf spends 900 Mp, then vobam kill Fenrir wolf when only 200 Mp is missing, by the logic he must earn 100 mp of Fenrir.

If the divine power of Fenrir is in Voban, over time he must recover those 900 of Mp that were spent by Fenrir in his fight, but the 1000 he spent, a total of 3000 or he can regain only power comparable to authority which he obtained, in that case when Voban is recovering he would have between 2000 and 3000 Mp points (this is just an example)

When Godou became campione, he remained several hours unconscious, its magical power and its authorities should be recovering during this time and adapting to Godou.

"There is no way to know which one had the most magical power, but I bet on Voban, and this 2000 and 1000 numbers are mere illustrations to convey my point of view, it has no relation to the series."

I also think it's fun to talk to you and discuss the show

If we're using the game perspective.

For me, I think when godslayer usurps a god. It's similar to a random drop after you fight the boss. It can be either weapons, armors or magics. It won't have any effect on user's base status until activate. And player need to supply Mp in order for them to work.

Voban killed Fenrir, and the dog dropped [Ragnarok wolf].

I'm gladded that you feel the same.

[Uxas]

I was reading the first volume of Shiniki no Campiones, and I thought, Rokuhara Ren or Black Prince Alec, who would win in a fight? Alec and Ren have a similar authorities.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by Uxas

I was reading the first volume of Shiniki no Campiones, and I thought, Rokuhara Ren or Black Prince Alec, who would win in a fight? Alec and Ren have a similar authorities.

Alec has more powers and experience, he could use Labyrinth and prepare Judging Furies easily against Ren. Alec would still be the worst enemy to Ren, he is a cautious person who does not attack without thinking.

His Judging Furies also superior to the Retribution of Nemesis when it comes to cause-effect, if completed, would be the end of Ren.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

Alec has more powers and experience, he could use Labyrinth and prepare Judging Furies easily against Ren. Alec would still be the worst enemy to Ren, he is a cautious person who does not attack without thinking.

His Judging Furies also superior to the Retribution of Nemesis when it comes to cause-effect, if completed, would be the end of Ren.

I think differently, I think maze would be a bad move against Ren, Ren's authority and very flexible, if Ren is trapped in the Labrin that is full of traps, he would use it to activate Nemesis and take control of the maze partially.

Ren does not have an offensive authority that allows him to attack first(differently Alex), so the first attack would come from Alex. Ren also has Stella, who counts as her authority, she can summon a friend deity who can give Weapons Divine to Ren, even if Alex has very flexible strategies, he needs to know the opponents' abilities, in a first encounter I would give victory and Ren, but if the fight goes on, I'd say Alex wins.

[Gundam Meister]

So how would Ren fair against the Campione of the original series in combat

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by Uxas

I was reading the first volume of Shiniki no Campiones, and I thought, Rokuhara Ren or Black Prince Alec, who would win in a fight? Alec and Ren have a similar authorities.

I'd say this won't be easy for Ren at all. Alec speed is equal to Ren, however, Alec can turn it on whenever he wants. Thus, it won't allow Ren to gain a distance from him. His mobility also superior to Ren.

Nemesis's authority relies on counterattack. Alec doesn't have an authority that use for physical confrontation, except lightning from his [Black lightning] which isn't powerful like Voban or Godou's lightning. I don't remember if his lightning can breach godslayer magic or not. If not, then nemesis counterattack won't do much.

Alec's manifiesting avatar allows physical attack passed through his body, since you can't really attack plasma, unless your name is Luo Hao.

[Weird greed] and [Judging Fury] is a little bit of a stretch here. It can be a key to Ren's agonizing death or victory.

Nemesis's authority is powerful enough to reflect [Boar] and copy [White Stallion]. If [judging fury] is used and Ren manage to stock an attack from them. I'm fairly confident that he can use his speed to escape from their attacks. He might be able to find a good timing to use it and deal a decisive blow to Alec in his physical form. [Weird greed] can be directly return to Alec or stored for future use.

Both of these authorities can end Ren instantly though.

[Black Lightning] attack mode will kill Ren without question. He can't return Voban's [Red Punishment], so Ren can't reflect a large scale attack instantly. This authority is probably one of the most efficient in dealing with gods or godslayer. The attack originate from Alec's body, so he can just activate his godspeed, run to their face and use it to his enemy at a pointblank range.

if Ren survive. Alec will be dead, since he can't use his speed to escape the copied [Black Lightning] anymore.

However, [Friendship Ring] can be a trump card for Ren too. If he manage to summoned a powerful god, and that god agrees to help him. It will tip the match into Ren's favor.

In conclusion, I find this will end it a stalemate where Alec's attack can't really do anything to Ren, and Ren doesn't have a mean to seriously incapacitate Alec either. If Alec gains knowledge about Ren's authority. He probably going to do nothing and use his godspeed to either escape or get what he want, since Ren can't follow his speed.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

I think differently, I think maze would be a bad move against Ren, Ren's authority and very flexible, if Ren is trapped in the Labrin that is full of traps, he would use it to activate Nemesis and take control of the maze partially.

Ren does not have an offensive authority that allows him to attack first(differently Alex), so the first attack would come from Alex. Ren also has Stella, who counts as her authority, she can summon a friend deity who can give Weapons Divine to Ren, even if Alex has very flexible strategies, he needs to know the opponents' abilities, in a first encounter I would give victory and Ren, but if the fight goes on, I'd say Alex wins.

Stella's power depends on the location, so it's not exactly a trump card, but rather something defined by the script. Alec has several ways to fight and a greater locomotion, except that the labyrinth has several levels, Ren would be slow to do anything.