2016-06-20, 20:03 | Link #1941 |
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I was wondering why nobody seemed to mention this before, and we're already quite a few posts in after the ep. I guess people just didn't feel like mentioning the obvious
Another question is whether or not the one who hired Elsa was also the one who hired the shaman. There might be more than one side conspiring against Emilia! Crack theory time! That new handsome knight is the one who sent the shaman (but not Elsa). Reason? He actually loves Emilia and want her to stay away from the (likely to be bloody) priestess business by stripping her (heh) of her backer. He probably wouldn't mind a few maids and peasants dying along the way. The one who hired Elsa was probably that rude priestess with kansai-ben, because Priscilla doesn't seem to be one to mingle in underhanded tactics (not sure about her backer though), and the other one seems to be an idiot .
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2016-06-20, 21:01 | Link #1942 |
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It seems extremely short-sighted to say that Subaru should have stayed put. That's the one thing he cannot and must not do given he has no control over his ability; he can't set the savepoint or even determine if he will even respawn the next time he dies. He has to live each moment as if it's his last until forced to respawn (and even then the rules can change on him).
Imagine he didn't force his way to the castle, Emilia dies and then the save point is established AFTER Emilia dies. He could have done a better job convincing Emilia but it's well within his established character to be somewhat clumsy in his attempts. And it's not like he gets to rehearse this, I doubt anyone in this thread could get through a job interval without a hiccup for instance and that's with preparation. When you're on the spot, it's hard. |
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2016-06-20, 23:44 | Link #1946 | |
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Or how about he goes in, Emilia gets killed and he doesn't. What if he just gets knocked out? Exactly, he has to live each moment like he's only got one shot. Burning the trust he has with Emilia, possibly getting himself arrested or stuck outside isn't a flawless plan. He could just as easily find out what happens from where he is and slit his own throat. I get why Subaru feels he needs to get involved in this. I don't think there is anything out of character or not understandable about his choice. What I don't think is that his decision is absolutely the right one and that disagreeing with it is short-sighted or objectively wrong.
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2016-06-21, 01:34 | Link #1947 | ||
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If he's present and the people there solve everything, then GREAT! It's not much worse in terms of his ultimate goal of saving Emilia. But consider the case where something can get past the guard and harm Emilia; only on-hand foreknowledge has the slightest chance of helping. (Also keep in mind he didn't originally plan to come in the way he did with the other candidate). Quote:
As mentioned above, Emilia is under heavy guard so any situation that arises has to be something that can only be dealt with via information. Second-hand information that Emilia died gives you nothing but being there to see the slightest grain of insight just might eventually add up to something useful. Ultimately, losing Emilia's trust is a heavy blow and obviously there's no guarantee that what Subaru gains will ever outweigh what was lose. It could turn out to be the worst decision (for instance, I highly suspect the save point won't roll back him coming to the castle). But if the alternative is to sit back and do nothing, that is certainly inferior to being proactive* *To a certain degree. I'm sure Subaru didn't originally plan on doing something as stupid as coming in with another candidate in plain sight of Emilia but he's a dullard for not noticing it coming although to be fair, the point where that became obvious was a no return point. |
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2016-06-21, 03:02 | Link #1949 | |
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Because he wears a helmet 24/7, and people who do that are usually either the major antagonist or crazy. Eg. Darth Vader, every antagonist in Gundam etc. |
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2016-06-21, 06:34 | Link #1951 | |
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2016-06-21, 08:14 | Link #1952 | |
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As far as "the guys that did the actual fighting and winning?" being there, well, Reinhard isn't exactly great at finding the villains before they do villainous shit, and Roswaal can't even protect his own demesne. They're better fighters than Subaru by leaps and mountains and bounds, but they're not omniscient. That's the beauty of being able to go back in time. Of course, you have to know that you need to go back in time in the first place.
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2016-06-21, 08:45 | Link #1953 | |
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Imagine how devasted he'd be if what you said happens and then a savepoint gets set right after that event.
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2016-06-21, 09:17 | Link #1954 |
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But if we go by that argument, being there also wouldn't guarantee a reset at an opportune moment, since we don't know how it is setup after all. For all we know the savepoint can even be at the moment right before something went wrong at the ceremony.
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2016-06-21, 09:46 | Link #1955 | |
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Trying something but failing and then getting locked out. VS Not having tried at all and then getting locked out. Both are equally likely right now since we don't know very much about his ability at all. I know which I'd rather live with though. With that said, while I think staying behind and doing nothing is the poorer choice, I don't think Subaru's current approach is the best or even close to it. Clearly he could have approached this better but I guess this makes for an interesting set up. Probably nothing will happen yet and Subaru will get a savepoint after this mistake. Last edited by ChronoReverse; 2016-06-21 at 10:05. |
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2016-06-21, 12:28 | Link #1956 | |
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(I don't actually think much of his decision making, but if all we care about are the savepoints, his insistence on being there somewhat makes sense.) |
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2016-06-21, 13:52 | Link #1957 |
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Though Subaru's presence seems irrelevant to the whole new political scheme of things, it has its merits and serves two purposes. One, he the story teller brings the audience into court. Two, if bad shtuff happens to Emilia, he can kill himself to reset to save her. He may be paranoid but the concern is reasonable and justified.
I'm still trying to understand why Emilia is going along with Master Magician plan. She doesn't seem to be into it. If the main competition is between thief girl Felt backed by Sir Saint Sword vs. half elf Emilia backed by Clown Magician Master, I think it's clear who the winner will be. |
2016-06-21, 14:03 | Link #1958 |
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Ram didn't die in the previous arc, Rem did. She died as a result of the shaman's curse. In that loop Subaru didn't work at the mansion, so Rem went to the village by herself, got bit, and died as a result of the curse the bit inflicted.
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2016-06-21, 15:44 | Link #1960 | |
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Rosewald on the other hand is said to be the best magi in the entire kingdom. the true question is imho, and I raised it before, why Rosewald would support someone who fits the description of the entire world's big bad bogeyman. Especially sicne Emilias emotionless and angry expressions totally give me the vibes I'd expect from Satella. - that is if she is actually realyl as evil as everyone says.
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