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**monir** · 2019-04-17, 13:47

What's separating Bernie from others at the moment? Well.....

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He doesn't need safe space.

The amount attention/audience he drew for that FoxNews townhall that even Trump was feeling queasy as evident in his recent tweets. Other Democratic candidates should take heed and not just seek the friendly media like MSNBC and CNN.

Key Board · 2019-04-17, 20:10

He really shouldn't be a Democrat, but sadly the 2 party system is broken.

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Sugetsu · 2019-04-17, 20:49

^ He is not a Democrat, he is an independent. although he works more frequently with them. He is running as democrat as to not split the vote 3 ways and help elect Trump.

Key Board · 2019-04-19, 17:16

You're right, and that's my point.
But as long as he does so, the "centrist" Dems have power over the process.

And in the end someone else wins the primary, because "oh, Bernie's too far left!"
than establishment Dems feel a bit smug about it.
than everything goes back to status quo.

And nothing changes.. again

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**monir** · 2019-04-19, 23:43

I'm not understanding your pessimism at the moment. First, it's too early. Second, Bernie isn't going away. Not yet. Third, his biggest competition, Biden, will have his own issue to deal with. Fourth, DNC isn't the same one from 2016. The rise of people like AOC should be quite evident to the point that the Dem voter base are moving rapidly to the left.

The only obstacle that I see in Bernie's path to nomination are the black voters who are historically more conservative aka centrist. The recent gallup poll also showed more dems are identifying themselves as "liberal" rather than "moderate" or "conservative." The party is shifting quickly to further left.

Yeah, I know the common wisdom here is the DNC will do everything in their power to thwart a Bernie nomination, but I sincerely believe it won't be that easy this time around.

Sugetsu · 2019-04-20, 11:25

The New York Times says: ‘Stop Sanders’ Democrats Are Agonizing Over His Momentum

Toukairin · 2019-04-20, 11:42

I didn't think it like this not long ago, but I seriouslt believe that Joe Biden should not step into the race. Why? Because the left-leaning ideas of several DNC candidates are finding genuine interest among voters. Heck, even Bernie won over a Fox News crowd by putting forward medicare-for-all.

Now that people are accepting or are getting more interested in applying left-leaning/liberal ideas that already bear fruits in other Western countries, there is little interest for moderates and centrists. Speaking of African-Americans, you can hit the nail on medical coverage all day long, and they would vote in a large majority for a DNC candidate. Remember that African-Americans suffer the most from being denied medical coverage.

Since Biden is a moderate who has made too many gaffes, especially when it comes to the question of physical proximity and the bad jokes he made about it, I think he should stay away. Besides, Biden waited for way too long when he should have gone on the trail doing town halls if he wanted to join the race.

That being said, I really want to know a lot more about what Bernie would do against Russia, the Saudis, and Israel since all 3 countries took advantage of Trump to sway foreign policies.

Sugetsu · 2019-05-11, 10:00

Here is another progressive candidate. I must say that this one is my favorite by far, even though I like Bernie, Tulsi and Yang, this person is truly remarkable.

I wish she would make it into the debate stage.

Marianne Williamson

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**monir** · 2020-02-23, 11:58

With the win in Nevada, who isn't feeling the Bern?

Recent polls show he will go on to win California too! Democratic party needs a kick in the pants. He's the best way to provide that kick. Whether or not he goes on to win it all against Donnie, it should wake up the Dem voters for some very needed change.

Ithekro · 2020-02-23, 13:23

I voted for him in the November 2016 election even though he wasn't on the ballot anymore. Mostly because I didn't trust any of the candidate on the ballot. Trump didn't seem like a good option and I do not trust Clinton at all.

**monir** · 2020-02-23, 15:26

Considering all the other candidates Barney is running against, it will be difficult to imagine how Barney does not get the nomination this time around. If he wins California it's game over although I admit it's still pretty early.

OH&S · 2020-02-23, 20:13

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**monir** · 2020-02-23, 23:36

Unlike the others, he's sticking to his message regardless of how it may come across. Others still seem to care about how their messaging may come across to a Trump supporter while Bernie is saying what the Dems want to hear. If he goes on to win South Carolina where uncle Joe enjoyed a hefty lead as early as last week, DNC will have no other choice but to confront the reality that Bernie is representing the party.

OH&S · 2020-02-24, 05:21

I have to say, I've been getting considerable anxiety watching the Democratic presidential nominations occur. Largely because that I fear that the only way Bernie can win is if he wins big like in Nevada so that the results are impossible to rig. That requires him to perform well in the South Carolina debate and win the primary leading into Super Tuesday; that's currently still not a guarantee.

My big fear is that Michael Bloomberg, the centre-right Democratic establishment and cable news media bias will try and hamper Bernie and steal the nomination from him at a contested convention; and in doing so will guarantee Trump's second term. There is an unfathomable amount of money being spent and corporate interests that are doing everything they can to deny Bernie the nomination. The Iowa Caucus debacle can definitely be seen as evidence of shady things occurring behind the scenes.

That said, watching the Nevada debate and the results of the caucus unfold has been really exhilarating. Probably the best debate and media fallout throughout this entire process to date. The SC debate is going to be the most vicious for Bernie; everyone will be clawing at him because of his front-runner status.

**monir** · 2020-02-24, 07:12

I enjoyed seeing talking heads explode in MSNBC. Establishment needs to be purged before this party can be taken seriously. Bernie is the way to get there right now.

ganbaru · 2020-02-24, 09:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by monir

I enjoyed seeing talking heads explode in MSNBC.

When FoxNews have a ''fairer'' coverage of the Sander campaign than the so call ''Liberal Network''...

Endscape · 2020-02-24, 10:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by ganbaru

When FoxNews have a ''fairer'' coverage of the Sander campaign than the so call ''Liberal Network''...

It all comes from the same place, really.

MSNBC and the like are biased against Bernie because they think his socialism is a weakness.

Fox News is fair(er) to him because they think the same.

Sugetsu · 2020-02-24, 13:21

Marianne Williamson endorsed Bernie yesterday. She didn't do well but I am happy that she will be lending her voice to camping for him. Here is hoping that Yang and Tulsi follow suit.

EroKing · 2020-02-24, 14:18

Oh hey, monir bro is active again due to election season! #Bernie2020

OH&S · 2020-02-25, 22:05

The South Carolina debate has been one of the worst moderated shit shows throughout this process yet. As expected, heaps of Sanders bashing; though while the first half was rough, he recovered in the final half.

There also appears to be something odd with the audience and their support for Bloomberg... gee, I wonder why...

2019-04-17, 20:10	Link #42
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	He really shouldn't be a Democrat, but sadly the 2 party system is broken. // __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2019-04-17, 20:49	Link #43
Sugetsu Kurumada's lost child Join Date: Nov 2003	^ He is not a Democrat, he is an independent. although he works more frequently with them. He is running as democrat as to not split the vote 3 ways and help elect Trump. __________________ "If you educate people, you cannot control them." ~Jacque Fresco

2019-04-19, 17:16	Link #44
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	You're right, and that's my point. But as long as he does so, the "centrist" Dems have power over the process. And in the end someone else wins the primary, because "oh, Bernie's too far left!" than establishment Dems feel a bit smug about it. than everything goes back to status quo. And nothing changes.. again // __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell

2019-04-20, 11:25	Link #46
Sugetsu Kurumada's lost child Join Date: Nov 2003	The New York Times says: ‘Stop Sanders’ Democrats Are Agonizing Over His Momentum __________________ "If you educate people, you cannot control them." ~Jacque Fresco

2019-05-11, 10:00	Link #48
Sugetsu Kurumada's lost child Join Date: Nov 2003	Here is another progressive candidate. I must say that this one is my favorite by far, even though I like Bernie, Tulsi and Yang, this person is truly remarkable. I wish she would make it into the debate stage. Marianne Williamson YouTube https://youtu.be/6M38RJYrjXI Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? __________________ "If you educate people, you cannot control them." ~Jacque Fresco

2019-04-20, 11:42	Link #47
Toukairin Banned Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: A city with a small mountain in the middle	I didn't think it like this not long ago, but I seriouslt believe that Joe Biden should not step into the race. Why? Because the left-leaning ideas of several DNC candidates are finding genuine interest among voters. Heck, even Bernie won over a Fox News crowd by putting forward medicare-for-all. Now that people are accepting or are getting more interested in applying left-leaning/liberal ideas that already bear fruits in other Western countries, there is little interest for moderates and centrists. Speaking of African-Americans, you can hit the nail on medical coverage all day long, and they would vote in a large majority for a DNC candidate. Remember that African-Americans suffer the most from being denied medical coverage. Since Biden is a moderate who has made too many gaffes, especially when it comes to the question of physical proximity and the bad jokes he made about it, I think he should stay away. Besides, Biden waited for way too long when he should have gone on the trail doing town halls if he wanted to join the race. That being said, I really want to know a lot more about what Bernie would do against Russia, the Saudis, and Israel since all 3 countries took advantage of Trump to sway foreign policies.

2020-02-23, 13:23	Link #50
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	I voted for him in the November 2016 election even though he wasn't on the ballot anymore. Mostly because I didn't trust any of the candidate on the ballot. Trump didn't seem like a good option and I do not trust Clinton at all. __________________

2020-02-23, 20:13	Link #52
OH&S Index III was a mistake Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 32	YouTube https://youtu.be/UyWa24J3Tuc Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? __________________

2020-02-24, 05:21	Link #54
OH&S Index III was a mistake Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 32	I have to say, I've been getting considerable anxiety watching the Democratic presidential nominations occur. Largely because that I fear that the only way Bernie can win is if he wins big like in Nevada so that the results are impossible to rig. That requires him to perform well in the South Carolina debate and win the primary leading into Super Tuesday; that's currently still not a guarantee. My big fear is that Michael Bloomberg, the centre-right Democratic establishment and cable news media bias will try and hamper Bernie and steal the nomination from him at a contested convention; and in doing so will guarantee Trump's second term. There is an unfathomable amount of money being spent and corporate interests that are doing everything they can to deny Bernie the nomination. The Iowa Caucus debacle can definitely be seen as evidence of shady things occurring behind the scenes. That said, watching the Nevada debate and the results of the caucus unfold has been really exhilarating. Probably the best debate and media fallout throughout this entire process to date. The SC debate is going to be the most vicious for Bernie; everyone will be clawing at him because of his front-runner status. __________________

2020-02-24, 13:21	Link #58
Sugetsu Kurumada's lost child Join Date: Nov 2003	Marianne Williamson endorsed Bernie yesterday. She didn't do well but I am happy that she will be lending her voice to camping for him. Here is hoping that Yang and Tulsi follow suit. __________________ "If you educate people, you cannot control them." ~Jacque Fresco

2020-02-24, 14:18	Link #59
EroKing Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Age: 38	Oh hey, monir bro is active again due to election season! #Bernie2020 __________________

2020-02-25, 22:05	Link #60
OH&S Index III was a mistake Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 32	The South Carolina debate has been one of the worst moderated shit shows throughout this process yet. As expected, heaps of Sanders bashing; though while the first half was rough, he recovered in the final half. There also appears to be something odd with the audience and their support for Bloomberg... gee, I wonder why... __________________