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Old 2016-07-07, 23:20   Link #21
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Well, this may be like ViVid S2 at least in spirit, but it may also be an alternate reality or reboot. We'll have to wait and see. But yeah, Force seems on indefinite hold, and I wouldn't expect Yukari Tamura to be involved at all.


I guess that's one possibility, though seems rather cruel. Another possibility is to just write her out by saying that she's off deep under-cover on some secret mission and Vivio can't contact her or something... Or I guess basically they could just not address it at all, and leave it to be a sort of secret history that people who know the franchise know but never gets brought up in the show at all. (There are other characters in the show whose parents never really get brought up either, so it's not that unlikely, but it would change the tone a fair bit.)

But yeah, given the presumed choice of doing this or letting the franchise just die entirely, it doesn't surprise me that they went this route.

mmm You have seen the raws of Vivid? there enough material for a S2 and S3 and a detail is that never turns deadly serious, but serious sometimes.

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Also this would be a Vivid full original, with other girls instead of the next to appear.

A story about that girl and her encounter with Vivio

offtopic: I confess that MSLN is my favorite anime of all times
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Old 2016-07-07, 23:22   Link #22
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Ew, it's like Vivid was a huge mistake. And I meant the technical aspects handled by A-1, the manga is already so-so in my book the anime just exposed its flaws more.
and which is why Original route might good idea
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Old 2016-07-07, 23:24   Link #23
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(I honestly don't know what this means we should do about putting this in the Nanoha forum, but technically speaking this is not Nanoha... even though it clearly is...)
While Vivid Strike may not have "Nanoha" in the name, the existence and use of characters from Nanoha ViviD pretty much cement it as part of the franchise, and thus I think this rightly deserves to be put in the subforum. There's precedent before anyway - MS IGLOO doesn't have "Gundam" in the name, but no one's arguing that it's a Gundam show, and thus is in the Gundam subforum.
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Old 2016-07-07, 23:24   Link #24
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Looks like it is coming in Fall 2016.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...ctober/.104075
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Old 2016-07-07, 23:33   Link #25
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Old 2016-07-07, 23:45   Link #26
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wow.... this was a surprised or rather the news that I read in this thread. I didn't expect to see a nanoha without a nanoha

I don't know if its good news to see another season or not.... >_>
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Old 2016-07-07, 23:59   Link #27
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So i guess this is somewhat similar to Strikers Sound Stage X.
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Old 2016-07-08, 00:06   Link #28
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What a mess....

It does hurt getting the full picture of what happened with Yukari Tamura. Although personally I always consider her first as Furude Rika and second as Nanoha. Though it still sucks that Nanoha is basically going to disappear from her own franchise.

I just hope they write her away due to missions or work or just don't mention her. I'd outright not watch anything where they actually kill off the character.
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Old 2016-07-08, 00:41   Link #29
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So, as far as I can understand, this is a spinoff of vivid, which uses most of the cast of vivid, and there's a new character who looks like Nanoha...

Ok, sure, why not?

Honestly, at this point all I want is actual battles with actual stakes again. Can I have that, seven arcs? Can I see Ein and Rio kicking butt for real? I honestly don't care how or why, just, please do it.
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Old 2016-07-08, 00:43   Link #30
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So I've actually removed "Nanoha" from the thread title because it's actually pretty noteworthy (as others have pointed out) that the franchise is not given the Nanoha name. There's been some pretty major fallout in the production committee that seems to have resulted in this fracturing. It looks like King Records is still involved in this one, but they seem to be back in the drivers seat along with Seven Arcs. To this point it doesn't look like Aniplex is involved (we'll see). Of course, Yukari Tamura is not mentioned at all, as she's no longer with King Records (and I think most people suspect that's part of this whole thing in the first place, and why ViVid didn't have any BD release).

Anyway, so yeah -- the franchise has split-off again.

(I honestly don't know what this means we should do about putting this in the Nanoha forum, but technically speaking this is not Nanoha... even though it clearly is...)
I assume you're basing this off the new OP/ED singers being signed to King Records, since there's no mention of the production committee on the website, or in the extended staff listing given out as PR

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<STAFF>
原作・脚本:都築真紀
監督:西村純二
キャラクター原案:藤真拓哉
キャラクターデザイン:いとうまりこ
サブデザイン:新垣一成
デバイスデザイン:大塚あきら
プロップデザイン:岡戸智凱
総作画監督:橋本貴吉、新垣一成
アクション監修:飯野まこと
メインアニメーター:中西和也
美術設定:泉 寛、益田賢治
美術監督:Scott MacDonald(スコット マクドナルド)
色彩設計:菅原美佳
撮影監督:北岡 正
編集:関 一彦
音楽:吉川洋一郎
音響制作:グロービジョン
制作:セブン・アークス・ピクチャーズ
オープニングテーマ:小倉 唯
エンディングテーマ:水瀬いのり
(source: http://www.animatetimes.com/news/det...?id=1467943041)

of note:

as noted, Tsuzuki is credited as original creator & writer
Vivid manga artist Takuya Fujima credited as original character designer
the majority of the animation staff are freelancers, except a couple who are Seven Arcs regulars
only two or three of them worked on the Seven Arcs part of the Nanoha franchise; none of them worked on the ViVid anime

This is all quite weird. Feels like a rights spat or something.

All the previous anime are listed in the meta keywords on the website:

魔法少女リリカルなのは,魔法少女リリカルなのはA's,魔法少女リリカルなのはStrikerS,魔法少 女リリカルなのはThe MOVIE 1st,魔法少女リリカルなのはThe MOVIE 2nd A's,魔法少女リリカルなのはViVid

So they're clearly not shying away from associating it with, well, everything.

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So, as far as I can understand, this is a spinoff of vivid, which uses most of the cast of vivid, and there's a new character who looks like Nanoha...
Lol this is the funniest part.
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Old 2016-07-08, 01:21   Link #31
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So, as far as I can understand, this is a spinoff of vivid, which uses most of the cast of vivid, and there's a new character who looks like Nanoha...
A combination/remake of the first two seasons - Vivio is Nanoha, Fate is...Fate, Nanoha is Hayate and Hayate is a ferret.

...or they just made Vivio be Nanoha's actual daughter, and Nanoha is older. See guys, we can have both Vivio and Nanoha now! She's like her mom!

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Honestly, at this point all I want is actual battles with actual stakes again. Can I have that, seven arcs? Can I see Ein and Rio kicking butt for real? I honestly don't care how or why, just, please do it.
Seriously. I was disappointed when I heard of the tired "tournament arc" trope and how the anime stopped in the middle of it.
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Old 2016-07-08, 01:27   Link #32
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Yukari Tamura is one of my favorite voice actors of all time, and part of her performance here helped.

This is the end of the road for me. It's been... interesting.

Oh, and bye Fate.
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Old 2016-07-08, 01:31   Link #33
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Hmm...what if the girl in the picture is Vivio, and she is Nanoha's biological daughter? That way you can "have both at once". Mommy's too busy with work to show up, but her legacy lives on.

...would give her even more motivation to save Vivio in the parallel-dimension version of Strikers, if it occurs at all.

Now I want to know if it is indeed an alternate dimension. What if Vivio is the same age and Nanoha's the same age and they're rivals ARGH
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Old 2016-07-08, 01:37   Link #34
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Old 2016-07-08, 02:10   Link #35
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So are we getting a spin off or season two of Vivid?
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Old 2016-07-08, 02:28   Link #36
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So are we getting a spin off or season two of Vivid?
Nanoha would still be involved with notable speaking parts in a second season of Vivid. They couldn't do it without Yukarin, and I have never heard anyone manage to mimic her voice.

This would have to be a spin off. And... look, it makes sense from an outside perspective. The original cast has been here for a while, the new generation is growing into their power and becoming forces to be noted in the world. Having a "changing of the guard," so to speak, letting Nanoha and crew pass the torch on to the younger generation and let the new kids forge adventures and names for themselves... it's a logical step. The Nanoha verse is plenty big enough and complex enough to give them many opportunities to step up and become heroes in their own right.

...But Nanoha is Nanoha! She is the living icon of this world, the face of the franchise, the voice that tells us there is nothing to fear, for she will keep us safe. She is our hero. Losing her like this strikes deep into my soul.
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Old 2016-07-08, 02:55   Link #37
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Nanoha would still be involved with notable speaking parts in a second season of Vivid. They couldn't do it without Yukarin, and I have never heard anyone manage to mimic her voice.

This would have to be a spin off. And... look, it makes sense from an outside perspective. The original cast has been here for a while, the new generation is growing into their power and becoming forces to be noted in the world. Having a "changing of the guard," so to speak, letting Nanoha and crew pass the torch on to the younger generation and let the new kids forge adventures and names for themselves... it's a logical step. The Nanoha verse is plenty big enough and complex enough to give them many opportunities to step up and become heroes in their own right.

...But Nanoha is Nanoha! She is the living icon of this world, the face of the franchise, the voice that tells us there is nothing to fear, for she will keep us safe. She is our hero. Losing her like this strikes deep into my sould.
What if all I wanted was a magical girl show about adults

Oh well, I haven't followed Nanoha (or been around the subforum) since the days where Force was just announced so no big deal to me in the end.
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Old 2016-07-08, 04:13   Link #38
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Just learned about the news of this new series. As a long time fan, I am excited for it. But it's also tearing into me that this won't be a continuation of the Vivid series. From what I've read, it seems like a soft reboot or maybe a complete reboot in general.

So does this mean that Nanoha is officially dead from her own franchise? I mean I've read about what happened with Yukari's incident with King Records, but this is just tearing us long time fans into the heart. There's definitely going to be subtle call backs to the Nanoha series. I mean Vivio still has the last name of Takamachi. But then again, they can go around about how she has that last name and make it as she already had that last name without the help of Nanoha and Fate.

Oh wells, here's looking forward to Vivio StrikerS and into the future of this new spinoff franchise.
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Old 2016-07-08, 04:23   Link #39
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Well, Vivid by A-1 was a dissapointment on the most part so no wonder 7Arcs took it back.
As an adaptation it was good actually. The main drawbacks were horrible new charadesignes and really strange place to finish the season.
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Old 2016-07-08, 04:59   Link #40
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Well, I also both exited (YAY! A new season in TSAB-verse) and wary (whoa, such a HUGE change) I overall very glad that we got a whole new work. rather than an adaptation. I like some Vivid ideas, but overall tournamet-centred premise is a bit left down, considering just HOW many interesting info we could get from the times of the Ancient Belka. Maybe we had chance to see a bigger amphasis on the war-torn past (and present) of the Dimension Sea.

P.S. The MC would be voiced by Eddelruttio's (Aldnoah Zero) VA... I can imagine her intoning: "Increase the output of Aldnoah Drive!" instead of usuall "<Device name> Set Up!"
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