2016-08-13, 05:33 | Link #61 |
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That's not really saying much, especially considering some of the dialog in Attack of the Clones, but they really did do a good job of fleshing out the character and giving his actions more meaning, rather than the largely "we need Anakin to (re)act this way because plot" treatment in the movies.
As for me, I have the benefit of having grown up with the Original Trilogy. I have enough of a "Vader baseline" in my head that can partition the "Anakin becomes Vader" part over to one side in my brain every time he does something "un-Vaderlike", and it's like they're two completely different people. None of Anakin's many shortcomings as a literary character affect the concentrated mass of badass menace that is the Dark Lord of the Sith. Hopefully RO does nothing to change that...
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2016-08-13, 07:38 | Link #62 | |
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2016-08-13, 17:04 | Link #63 |
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Perhaps I misphrased it. Not so much "un-Vaderlike", but "something that diminishes Vader as a character, even separated by time and life-changing events". Prequel Anakin is full of those moments. TCW Anakin, not so much, thankfully.
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2016-08-13, 20:52 | Link #64 | |
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At least, I hope so...
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But, you and I are in the very, very small minority. The vast and overwhelming majority of people loved the film. There's a sizeable group that even thinks it's the best of the seven mainline films (I still am shocked there are people who think that, and so many). With Episode VII, though, Disney is like that team that is going to play it safe right before the half, comfortable with the score. They run a conservative play that's easy to defend, but difficult to for things to go wrong (that's the tried-and-true, loved story of Episode IV). But, it actually goes for a massive gain. They hit it big but not even doing anything well. They changed some minor details, threw in some slightly different backgrounds/settings, and voila, there's a blockbuster film. As Semblance said above, they would've hit it big whether they turned out a horrifically bad film or a good film simply because of how the prequels have been bashed and the fact that it says "Star Wars" at the beginning. There was no way Episode VII wouldn't do well. But what they needed was not just for Episode VII to do well, but to setup a string of massively successful sequel movies, anthology movies, and alllllll of the ancillary stuff. They shelled out billions for this IP, and they need to get their money's worth. Disney is a business, plain and simple. They don't care what is done as long as it sells and it continues to sell. Lucas made horrible decisions, but at least his first three movies, and really his first three major decisions in managing the Star Wars IP, were stunningly good. He had a mixed bag after Return, but the original trilogy is as close to perfect as you can get in movies. He was an artist, and he did a good job at that time. It was only later that people realized that, strangely, it's possible that technology not having yet advanced forced him to make better decisions because he couldn't act on the crazy ideas he had. Then there's Disney, which is nothing more than a money machine. They will make whatever decision gets them the most money. Now, I'm not an anti-business guy. Hell, I am in business. A large part of me says, "Hell yeah, get 'er done, Disney! Make it rain!" But the Star Wars fan in me says, "Good Lord. This is a disaster." That's why I am trying to remain as neutral as possible about Rogue One. Quote:
I doubt we have to worry about Episodes VIII and IX being like that. Like I said, I firmly believe Episode VII was a way to cleanse the palettes of older fans (well, anyone old enough to have seen all the prequels in theaters). All the marketing was so painfully obviously meant to show how much "different" Episode VII would be from the prequels (even though, in the end, there was probably more in common than not... that "practical effects" line that was repeated ad nauseum was crap... there was more CG in Episode VII than any prequels, and the "practical effects" were no more common than they were in the PT). From what I understand, they're approaching VIII much differently.
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2016-08-16, 02:03 | Link #70 |
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I'm going to have to call you on this one. While TFA didn't use use practical effects for everything like had to be done in the OT, even a casual observer could tell you they were easily more prevalent than in the PT. You only had green screen or copious CG when it was practical (the "stage" for Han's last scene) or when there was an obvious advantage (the various ship FX, touch ups, etc.). You didn't have sets that were chopped off at 6 feet "so we can CG in the rest of them", people acting opposite air because "I know you were looking forward to meeting her, but Miss Portman couldn't make it today, Mr Stamp, and we can always just film her parts later and composite you together in post", or pointless CG aliens or creatures walking past in the background constantly. Abrams used CG, but he didn't overuse it like Lucas did in the PT.
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2016-08-16, 05:53 | Link #72 |
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Episode 1 actually had some notable practical props and sets ("Gungans vs Droids"-scene and space-battles notwithstanding). Lucas' addiction to everything digital only came full force (no pun intended) in Episode 2 & 3 .
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2016-08-27, 21:29 | Link #75 |
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More Star Wars info & speculation:
Snoke’s Identity and More: What We Learned From ‘Star Wars: Life Debt’: "The newest novel continues to dig into what remains of the Empire following the Battle of Endor, the state of the fledgling New Republic, and the lives of key characters in the Star Wars universe. More than that, it lends some much-needed background to a whole host of mysteries in The Force Awakens, while teasing at what’s to come in Episode VIII. So what exactly did Life Debt teach us? Here’s what we were able to find." See: http://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainm...=YF&yptr=yahoo |
2016-10-13, 23:16 | Link #80 |
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I have so much difficulty getting into spin offs like this. I may not understand exactly when this takes place in the timeline, but since I already know what ultimately becomes of the death star and Darth Vadar and how it all happens, I'm left wondering, what's going to occur in this side story that's going to be of any particular interest to me. And right now, even with the release of this 2nd trailer, I'm just not seeing it.
I want to look forward to this. I really do. And I keep thinking I must be missing something obvious that's preventing me from wanting to know more about this new protagonist and what's going on. On another note, I almost had to do a double take when I heard Donnie Yen speak some lines in English. I don't hear that too often. |
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