Those whiny Canadians

[Pepperidge]

I don't think the CRTC should be dissolved, but I also sure as hell don't think stations need to air 60% Canadian content. What does that say about the industry when you have to FORCE stations to air it?

[eXistenZ]

there was this store in calgary here that rented only anime, they ended up closing, they werent open for very long. anywho to the point, someone saw a potential for a very good business i think. i think tho that they failed because of the high prices for dvd's, coz if im not mistaken i believe video stores have to pay extra for renting out dvd's. so with anime already exspensive it simply cost to much.

hence a good exposure of anime in canada would be great, and probably would succeed if not surpass the US market in growth potential.

YTV could probably show cowboy bebop uncut, later during the evening. heck the buffy, spike sex scene was show, no nudity but still, ya didnt have to guess the implied situation. Content rating in canada is more wide open then in the states, showcase anyone, or as i like to call it, showporn. YTV is more then just a kiddy channel, they are a youth channel, be it 6 to 20's. teletoon as it gets later show more for the adults and young adults. basically Canadian Tv would be perfect for showing anime in a more purer form. i dont know about subs tho.

Remember Canada isnt a victorian repressed type society such as the states, sorta like Bush saying abstinence, instead of safe sex. didnt anyone tell him that telling younger people no is like telling them yes.

as for buyin anime, hell im not go into that, i have no credit cards, couldnt get one, couldnt get one from my parents, after all i am 24 and work. but i have debt up the kazoo. so a better exposure of anime in retail stores with lower pricing id say would be hella better.

btw HMV has a huge selection, its the same as amazons and prolly a little more, remember if it aint on the shelves, ya can prolly order it through them. i got my macross plus ost's from them, the first was on the shelf and the second i ordered straight from Japan.

Also in calgary, video and sound has a huge selection of anime, lots of titles for rent. Casablanca Video in Marda Loop in the SW. The Sentry Box just offa 10 ave and like 18th st sw has a selection, including comics and a few other things.

but still, prices are huge.

as for the crtc, well, they are a bugger for some of the other US channel, hbo, showtime, CN, and anime unleashed on g4techtv.

[noibauten]

Here in Québec , we have access to the anime from USA and France , so we have a lot (Still not enough IMO). They are also a lot of manga that come from France. But i would subscribe to a anime network in French or English if it was availble here.

About the CRTC thing , i also think the are necessary in Canada.

[Navi en Grey]

From what I know, and I know I may be wrong, Canada doesn't have a very high population (I think like 10 million or so).

What I think is anime needs to get more popular in Canada for the networks there to care to broadcast them. 10 million or so livining in Canada .. I would just assume only 30,000 or more there even know what anime is.

Canadiens are bound to whine more because subscriptions to magazines are always expensive, prices there are higher, and of course, stuff from america tend to cost more than in america. I don't know why, but I think those problems solved would probably make Canadiens stop whining ..

- Navi

[Pepperidge]

Originally Posted by noibauten

About the CRTC thing , i also think the are necessary in Canada.

Yeah, but they go too far. Yes, quality Canadian programming should be produced to keep the industry alive, but requiring stations to air 60% Canadian content in prime time only leads to the airwaves being saturated with programs whose sole purpose is to fill up that requirement, carrying no real artistic value whatsoever.

There are 30 million people in Canada, and while economies of scale are an issue, prices being higher beyond the exchange rate are a result of poor distribution rather than prices being scaled accordingly. In Canada, many Hollywood movies are actually cheaper than they are in the US because a lot of those companies take advantage of loopholes in distribution and sublicensing. A lot of untangling has to be done for this to work, but because anime companies have poor distribution channels in Canada, their products often cost far, far more than they should, or are often hard to find.

And as I see it, the farther you are away from Montreal, the smaller your selection is.

And people, if you haven't been voting for Gundam SEED on Teletoon's Suggest-A-Show, go do it NOW! They're announcing their acquisitions in a mere few weeks, but there's still a chance that the contracts may not even be signed yet.

[Mr_Paper]

Originally Posted by Navi en Grey

From what I know, and I know I may be wrong, Canada doesn't have a very high population (I think like 10 million or so).

What I think is anime needs to get more popular in Canada for the networks there to care to broadcast them. 10 million or so livining in Canada .. I would just assume only 30,000 or more there even know what anime is.

Canadiens are bound to whine more because subscriptions to magazines are always expensive, prices there are higher, and of course, stuff from america tend to cost more than in america. I don't know why, but I think those problems solved would probably make Canadiens stop whining ..

- Navi

First; The current population of Canada, according to Statistics Canada, was 31,825,416 as of April 1st 2004 (or atleast that's how many responded to the census poll).

Well it's true that if more television networks showed anime it would be of great help, there are many stupid laws and stipulations in place that make it very difficult for that to happen. A good example of this is Canada's first Arab television network. While its content is completely legal it will almost certainly never be picked up by any cable providers. This is because while the networks can show anything they want that isn't slanderous, liable, racist, etc. it is ultimately the cable providers fault and responsibility if anyone takes offense to what's shown on that channel. This stupid law was actually passed unanimously by our government... although the public was never made aware of it's existance.

I'd wager there is a higher number of people in Canada that know about anime then you give us credit for. As of 2001, nearly seven million people in Canada were of Asian origin with around four million of them having been born outside of Canada. That means that in 2001, one can estimate that, nearly one seventh of the population could of had exposure to anime in one form or another.

Things being more expensive here than in America doesn't bother me as much as you might think... Rather, the dumbass responsible for making it that way does. Despite it being better in the long run, I'd rather 5 minutes unsupervised with the idiot than see the problem fixed. -.-

@Pepperidge - I haven't been voting for Gundam SEED... I didn't care for the show. Instead I've been voting for a variety of shows from Ah! My Goddess and Fruits Basket to L/R and Hellsing. ^^

[Pepperidge]

Originally Posted by Mr_Paper

@Pepperidge - I haven't been voting for Gundam SEED... I didn't care for the show. Instead I've been voting for a variety of shows from Ah! My Goddess and Fruits Basket to L/R and Hellsing. ^^

I don't advise people to vote for Gundam SEED because I expect them to like it, I advise people to vote for Gundam SEED because it's the most logical choice for Teletoon to air. The English language production is done in Canada, so it gets CanCon points, it's heavily marketable, and targets teens. It would be a sure fire hit if played uncut in a primetime slot.

If the first anime they air isn't a hit, what makes you think that they'll bother with any more?

YTV would be better for Fruits Basket - they're the one with the established female viewership.

[Mr_Paper]

I've basically been suggesting the same shows to YTV too.

I like to keep my bases covered. ^^

[Lomiothiel]

I voted for Gundam Seed... I'm like dying to see that... lol... and then there's the sequel... Gundam Seed Destiny which comes out in October 2004 but most likely Bandai will liscene it as soon as it comes out... pooy...

anyways, Navi en Grey, Canada has over 30 MILLION people, not 10... Although we don't a lot of anime or population compared to other countries such as Japan.... (that's stating the obivous... lol...) we get more uncut stuff though then America... (as far as I'm concerned... being in America for a while, I should know... ) I remembered YTV showing uncut Dragonball Z at like 2 am... @_@ as well as the uncut version of Gundam Wing Endless Waltz (which my American cousins said never aired on what ever anime channel they watch, either that or they missed it... XD) If you were to ask 10 people if they knew or heard or seen DBZ, I bet at least 7 out of 10 of them would say probably say yes. (considering it's been airing Dragon Ball to present... yes, they'er still airing Dragon Ball on YTV) Canadians know more about anime then you think ^_~...

Anyways, in Toronto, there's actually quite a few stores that are STRICTLY DEDICATED TO ANIME!! For buying, renting, manga, collector's items, posters and other little goodies... the only thing i see expensive are the Gundam models... like $150 for a large scale Wing Zero Endless Waltz model... X_x... I think I'll stick to my cheap $15 model from Toys R Us.... XD!! We also have an anime convention that's called Anime North and believe me, MANY PEOPLE go to this convention!! I think the reason we don't get a lot of anime is cuz of ratings n' violence. Channels like YTV target mostly younger audiences. For those of you who have seen BeyBlade and are a big fan, you'd know they've cut out a lot of scenes just to make them more "approirate" for kids. (plz mind spelling... not the best speller around) It might be harder to cut scenes for more violent animes. (But don't we love all those fighting, bloody, dying ppl scenes?... btw, CN cut out a lot of scenes with dead bodies or explosions or "too much blood" in Gundam Seed... >.<) For BeyBlade, they put in Dizzi to fill in all the lost times from the cut scenes or longer commerical breaks... ¬.¬... And the Canadian government wants Canadian television to air Canadian shows...

I'd probably *reduce* my whinning if we got some decent anime. (*remembers Sailor Moon* The pink videos... *shudders* and I still bought them... T_T... I think I must had some screws loose either that or I was color blind... it's NEON PINK!! X_x.. ) I'd prefere we'd get uncut anime even if it's aired at like 2 in the morning... I'd just tape it... lol...

Navi en Grey again: Naruto winning?? I dont really know about that... there's a few other animes out that that would make it a really close vote *if* there was a vote... I'd keep blabbing but this is already long enough... XD... yay! Gundam Seed! Hopefully teletoon will get it!! ^_^!!

[Pepperidge]

Content has nothing to do with it. If it did, YTV wouldn't be airing Inu-Yasha uncut, and they wouldn't have aired Endless Waltz uncut several years ago either. The edits being made to Gundam SEED for the US would be completely unneccessary for Canadian broadcast.

The problem is that they don't realize how large a market there is for uncut anime, and that's mostly because the market isn't very vocal. Not to mention the number of new fans that a nightly airing of a show like Gundam SEED would surely create.

Also, YTV never aired DBZ uncut.

[Kyolux]

Went on both and suggested some titles, I do want to see Fruit basket on tv. Full metal panic would be good too isn't? Then they could bring Fumoffu :P

Pepperidge I checked out your zannen, Canada websites, and it rocks!! I'm wishing I could find enough people to go protest or something at the crtc place in Ottawa. I'm very close to Ottawa, oh and Teletoon sometimes gets shows that have no french dubs on air. So there's always hope for Gundam SEED. And they eventually get the french dubs later. I mainly watch Télétoon over Teletoon. But again I don't watch much TV.

[Spar-Q]

forgive me, for I have not read the entire thread.. but what I have read is quite interesting... I don't typically watch TV, for the fact that you can't control what's on, and it's all dubbed... but as for buying anime here, in St. John's NL, there's a nice comic store called Timemasters, and they carry a huge stock of anime stuff.. DVDs and mangas... They rent out DVDs too.... only problem is that since anime itself isn't a huge market, they can't keep a big stock.. they have a discount club setup where you buy 10 dvds (or mangas) and get one free.. it helps promote buying locally instead of over the net... and they can get anything you want for cheap too...

I hate the prices up here though... you're looking at about 39 dollars in CAD funds for a new DVD... closer to 30 if it's been out for a bit and is popular... and they wonder why people pirate DVD rips and such... in the states it's only about 22 bucks for a new DVD if I recall, but here it's just too expensive.

[Pepperidge]

It varies depending on where you live in the country. Montreal seems to be the best place to find anime, as well as a few places in Ontario. But the farther out you get, the worse it is. Maritimes/Newfoundland and pretty much everything west of Manitoba seem to be the worst off.

Unlike in the US, where you can walk into any Best Buy and find an entire aisle of brand new titles stacked end to end sideways. *just experienced that yesterday* Having good distribution in Canada is supposed to mean for the ENTIRE COUNTRY. If companies HAD good distribution, then Future Shops in Newfoundland would have just as much anime as Future Shops in Ottawa.

But Kyolux, do you think that Teletoon may still air SEED even if the French dub isn't ready until late this year/early next year? I've never seen the French feed, so I'm not familiar with how they handle situations like that.

[ChibiDusk]

The Movie Network(east) and Movie Central(west) are both Canadian Movie Channels which are availible over Digital cable and Sattelite. They show a nice amount of Anime Movies and a LOT of foriegn films (heck, one of their channels -of 5- shows 65% foriegn content in subbed form). So far of my memory they have shown: Princess Mononoke, Millenium Actress, Cowboy Bebop, and all of the Pokemon & Digimon Movies (if they count ). I was amazed they aired Millenium Actress! Now only if they would show Spirited Away or some others. Everything they show is UNCUT and COMMERCIAL-FREE

They aren't just for movies as well, they show a lot of HBO and Showcase SERIES, and if that's possible why not pick up a few anime series? They are good for mature content, hell even in the middle of day (2pm) you get quite controversal material (mostly foriegn).

It would be great

[Pepperidge]

The thing about Princess Mononoke and the Cowboy Bebop movie is that they're basically considered Hollywood movies in the way they're released on video and shown on premium stations.

And I don't think premium stations should air anime. Well, they can, but it won't help anything. Content is NOT the issue when it comes to airing shows in Canada, and the only way they're going to get adequate mainstream exposure is on cable.

[DrWho2002]

Pepperidge, you seem to be forgetting CNL out in BC all the time. They have very very reasonable prices and are both online and have a real walk in store as well.

www.thecnl.com

[Pepperidge]

Having one store where I can find anime doesn't fix the distribution issues.

[Kyolux]

Originally Posted by Pepperidge

But Kyolux, do you think that Teletoon may still air SEED even if the French dub isn't ready until late this year/early next year? I've never seen the French feed, so I'm not familiar with how they handle situations like that.

For sure, I've seen some shows on Teletoon in english that didn't aired ever in french, or stuff that did air, but over a year later. But honestly I think we have more shows in french that aren't aired at all in english. I don't recall seeing King of the hill on teletoon in english. But they do in french. And what's funny about Quebec's dubs, is that same goes for the simpsons and koth, they sometimes are in the USA like in the show, and sometimes they are in Quebec. Anyway, the french dubs won't affect the release of SEED in english. I'm 95% sure of it.

[Imazul]

Theres tons of anime on Canadian channels but theres almost no older crowds anime.

Stuff like SonicX, Ultimate Muscle, Cardcaptor, Inuyasha, DBZ, Shaman King(Hyper-Cut version) and even more...

Sadly most of these are either childish or cut to death or simply boring. We have tons of anime but we lack good animes...

[Galaxy]

Shaman King played/plays on TV?
there's this store (only seen the website never been in the store, seems like they do video rentals but I dont know if you could rent anime) in Ottawa that seems to have a good selection of manga/anime (from what I can see on their site), but when I looked at Fruits Basket DVD vol.1 it was 49.99$ yet amazon.ca was way cheaper there's also another store that I know of but they have a small selection of manga/anime DVD