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Okashira · 2014-09-18, 12:39

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Originally Posted by Awrya

For some reason I think the chances are high that the guard called Zentos is behind the assassination attempt, but the hydra appearing was beyond his prediction.

Zentos was among his comrades in the future, he was highlighted almost as much as Urza (but his death was off screen); it's pretty obvious that the main goal of his trip is him rather than the princess..... In other words, he'll probably be in danger rather than the opposite.

Speaking of, from the "important" faces, there is still another party member left (a woman with glasses).

VooXoo · 2014-09-18, 13:58

Spoiler for Truth behind the princess death:

The MC should gain fame after this, he already got the money, his objective is closer...I don't like it, seems too easy...
A good thing is, the MC already knows who he can trust and who will/can betray(not counting the people who died soon in the true timeline and people affected by his moves), probably he already knows all the spies of the demon king.

Okashira · 2014-09-18, 14:34

Ah, so I read ahead based on me not being sure. Probably the end was the best of the deal....

Spoiler:

It's a pretty big spoil, so be sure before clicking; it might ruin the fun of the arc.....

Spoiler:

- This whole mess took half of the first arc to finish.
- Zentos was Kyle's shishou a few years before his suicide attack, that's why he trusted him. He never thought that the princess death was anything more than an accident.
- When they get to the carriage, it's obvious that the princess death was not meant to be accidental, so they had to protect her.
- Long story, after a lot, the thing ended up as a duel between Kyle and Zentos, their fighting style was quite similar.
- Kyle made sure not to kill Zentos right away, as to talk a little.
- They get to the kingdom, the king offers a reward, and Kyle goes for a medal of honor, rejecting titles and wealth.
- The narration points out that the "tale of the hero Kyle", has started.

...... The actual cool part starts here, on the arc's conclusion.

Spoiler:

.... Not sure if I got everything right

Esclair · 2014-09-18, 15:22

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Originally Posted by VooXoo

Spoiler for Truth behind the princess death:

The MC should gain fame after this, he already got the money, his objective is closer...I don't like it, seems too easy...
A good thing is, the MC already knows who he can trust and who will/can betray(not counting the people who died soon in the true timeline and people affected by his moves), probably he already knows all the spies of the demon king.

It seems like he'll kill the Demon Lord pretty easily this time around, only to find out about the 'real' antagonist whom the Demon Lord was trying to fight against with the reset magic.

Chosen_Hero · 2014-09-18, 15:24

Or maybe he is the Demon Lord himself but doesn't know he'll become one.

XFire · 2014-09-18, 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esclair

It seems like he'll kill the Demon Lord pretty easily this time around, only to find out about the 'real' antagonist whom the Demon Lord was trying to fight against with the reset magic.

I thought an earlier spoiler mentioned the Demon King will still wreck his shit unless he does something drastic, since last time it took a suicide mission with the strongest group of allies in the world.

Breimoon · 2014-09-18, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okashira

Ah, so I read ahead based on me not being sure. Probably the end was the best of the deal....

Spoiler:

It's a pretty big spoil, so be sure before clicking; it might ruin the fun of the arc.....

Spoiler:

- This whole mess took half of the first arc to finish.
- Zentos was Kyle's shishou a few years before his suicide attack, that's why he trusted him. He never thought that the princess death was anything more than an accident.
- When they get to the carriage, it's obvious that the princess death was not meant to be accidental, so they had to protect her.
- Long story, after a lot, the thing ended up as a duel between Kyle and Zentos, their fighting style was quite similar.
- Kyle made sure not to kill Zentos right away, as to talk a little.
- They get to the kingdom, the king offers a reward, and Kyle goes for a medal of honor, rejecting titles and wealth.
- The narration points out that the "tale of the hero Kyle", has started.

...... The actual cool part starts here, on the arc's conclusion.

Spoiler:

.... Not sure if I got everything right

as far as i understood from GT it should be right

Bakahou · 2014-09-18, 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okashira

Ah, so I read ahead based on me not being sure. Probably the end was the best of the deal....

Spoiler:

It's a pretty big spoil, so be sure before clicking; it might ruin the fun of the arc.....

Spoiler:

- This whole mess took half of the first arc to finish.
- Zentos was Kyle's shishou a few years before his suicide attack, that's why he trusted him. He never thought that the princess death was anything more than an accident.
- When they get to the carriage, it's obvious that the princess death was not meant to be accidental, so they had to protect her.
- Long story, after a lot, the thing ended up as a duel between Kyle and Zentos, their fighting style was quite similar.
- Kyle made sure not to kill Zentos right away, as to talk a little.
- They get to the kingdom, the king offers a reward, and Kyle goes for a medal of honor, rejecting titles and wealth.
- The narration points out that the "tale of the hero Kyle", has started.

...... The actual cool part starts here, on the arc's conclusion.

Spoiler:

.... Not sure if I got everything right

Damn that sounds fun as hell. Thanks for the spoiler.

Valky · 2014-09-18, 16:44

It looks interesting. The hero is a two-timer since the few starting chapters. I get the feeling that he will die not by the Demon King.

Btw, for those who read the raw, will we see Rudolph (the former hero)?

jaydreadzz · 2014-09-18, 17:28

since the princess is saved so that's mean their might a new possibility of
*cough*New*cough*Flag*cough
since the history has change

VooXoo · 2014-09-18, 18:18

Maybe the demon lord really wanted to save the world, but how can you explain the situation to the human race and make them accept a total genocide for a problem they don't know and he probably couldn't prove?
Is even possible the demon lord just wanted to return back for personal stuff, like saving a single loved person, for a demon after all morals are on another scale.

kasimmorathi · 2014-09-18, 18:33

Hero stated that one of three options to completing his objective was to become a hero, or become king. He believed he couldn't become king. With the princess however... he has an opportunity to leverage.

XFire · 2014-09-18, 19:10

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Originally Posted by kasimmorathi

Hero stated that one of three options to completing his objective was to become a hero, or become king. He believed he couldn't become king. With the princess however... he has an opportunity to leverage.

The third one inevitably being "become the demon lord"

Lhklan · 2014-09-18, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esclair

It seems like he'll kill the Demon Lord pretty easily this time around, only to find out about the 'real' antagonist whom the Demon Lord was trying to fight against with the reset magic.

The Demon Lord can still kick his ass though, as evidences in that chapter where he pulls out the "phantom dummy" for training. Kail only lasted 10 seconds despite it being a copy. (Manga chapter already show that)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Or maybe he is the Demon Lord himself but doesn't know he'll become one.

Not happening. Cause if he really is the Demon Lord and the sword's explanations were correct, why didn't his soul fused with that with the Demon Lord?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaydreadzz

since the princess is saved so that's mean their might a new possibility of
*cough*New*cough*Flag*cough
since the history has change

Yeah, this was going through my head the whole time. I mean, while he's using her, she doesn't know that, and only thought this dashing hero appeared to save her.

He's going to die cause of the girls and not the Demon Lord this time around

Esclair · 2014-09-18, 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by XFire

I thought an earlier spoiler mentioned the Demon King will still wreck his shit unless he does something drastic, since last time it took a suicide mission with the strongest group of allies in the world.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lhklan

The Demon Lord can still kick his ass though, as evidences in that chapter where he pulls out the "phantom dummy" for training. Kail only lasted 10 seconds despite it being a copy. (Manga chapter already show that)

It's still going to be a while before he has to fight the Demon Lord, and by that time he'll have plenty of time to prep.

VooXoo · 2014-09-19, 03:11

Yeah, the suicide squad was enough powerful for a last stand only after raiding the ancient tomb, his allies were probably humanity had to offer and even with that everyone died and even the MC was dying from his wounds, the demon lord is simply so strong.
The phantom for training is probably a bit weaker than the original.
Anyway I'm interested in future allies, many people changed after the first invasion (the MC friend made a total 180°), that means people who gave their all for humanity in the previous timeline will be hard to get in this one.

Fwarlord · 2014-09-20, 09:20

I have a theory:
Let's say, Kyle will success in his plan to become a famed hero who can unite the human world to fight the demons. But that journey also claims some of his comrade's lifes(for example, Riize and Urza). So Kyle come up with a plan, he will return to the past one more time to save his fallen comrades. He will lead the human world to attack the demons, both to make sure they won't get attacked first and to use their lifes to pay for the cost of the forbidden spell. In their first strike, the humans destroy a demons' border village and kill every demon here, including friends, mother and childhood friend of a young demon who is training in a faraway place. When the young demon returns home, just to find out each and every one precious to him was killed, he vows to take his revenge. Then he become a dark knight, leading an elite demon squad to execute a suicide mission: killing the human's leader, the hero Kyle. The dark knight finally succeed, in exchange for his entire team's life, including his own. In his last breath, a scarlet stone come to him and a forbidden spell is activated...

Lhklan · 2014-09-20, 09:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by VooXoo

Yeah, the suicide squad was enough powerful for a last stand only after raiding the ancient tomb, his allies were probably humanity had to offer and even with that everyone died and even the MC was dying from his wounds, the demon lord is simply so strong.
The phantom for training is probably a bit weaker than the original.
Anyway I'm interested in future allies, many people changed after the first invasion (the MC friend made a total 180°), that means people who gave their all for humanity in the previous timeline will be hard to get in this one.

There is also a chance that he might gain allies that he didn't have before - like Riize, for example - which could change the timeline even more.

Hell, the Hydra is already the first change.

Tenzen12 · 2014-09-20, 12:51

Theory Kyle = Demon lord is prety stupid, Only idiot would lock himself into infinite time-loop where he kills his loved one just to get killed by himself and repeat whole cycle again.

....Kyle is not idiot.

Not mention you would need another two loops which would make story too convulsive.

Fwarlord · 2014-09-20, 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Theory Kyle = Demon lord is prety stupid, Only idiot would lock himself into infinite time-loop where he kills his loved one just to get killed by himself and repeat whole cycle again.

....Kyle is not idiot.

Not mention you would need another two loops which would make story too convulsive.

I said nothing about Kyle himself being the demon lord.

2014-09-18, 13:58	Link #42
VooXoo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rieti-Italia	Spoiler for Truth behind the princess death: Someone on batoto said the princess was assassinated from the king, not the prince, seems like her father was jealous of her popularity, it make sense, a elite swordman was the rider and killed the guards with ease, if Zantos was there he was in the conspiracy, if not he is innocent(because he survived) I wonder what character have the princess, was she a saint or it was all a facade for gaining the trust of the people and the king wasn't fearing her growing popularity wittout base? The MC should gain fame after this, he already got the money, his objective is closer...I don't like it, seems too easy... A good thing is, the MC already knows who he can trust and who will/can betray(not counting the people who died soon in the true timeline and people affected by his moves), probably he already knows all the spies of the demon king.

2014-09-18, 14:34	Link #43
Okashira どうだろうね。ふふ Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Chile	Ah, so I read ahead based on me not being sure. Probably the end was the best of the deal.... Spoiler: It's a pretty big spoil, so be sure before clicking; it might ruin the fun of the arc..... Spoiler: - This whole mess took half of the first arc to finish. - Zentos was Kyle's shishou a few years before his suicide attack, that's why he trusted him. He never thought that the princess death was anything more than an accident. - When they get to the carriage, it's obvious that the princess death was not meant to be accidental, so they had to protect her. - Long story, after a lot, the thing ended up as a duel between Kyle and Zentos, their fighting style was quite similar. - Kyle made sure not to kill Zentos right away, as to talk a little. - They get to the kingdom, the king offers a reward, and Kyle goes for a medal of honor, rejecting titles and wealth. - The narration points out that the "tale of the hero Kyle", has started. ...... The actual cool part starts here, on the arc's conclusion. Spoiler: - We are shown an extra chapter, the king in his chamber his cursing since the princess survived. - His childhood dream was to be a King remembered through history, thus he feels menace by the princess ever growing popularity; so yea, he used Zentos to rill the prince into the plan; which is why the prince took the fall in the end knowing nothing. - He thinks his next move will be risky, but he has to do something as the princess is sure to be queen now; he muses about dis-inheriting her.... - ..... Then he notices a fully cladded figure, next to his fireplace. - Kyle was there, Zantos last words were something like "I'm sorry, your majesty", which is why he came to suspect the plan. - Kyle points out that even in the future, the king's attitude was troublesome, and if anything, he can't forgive that a stupid act of jealousy forced him to cut down one of his nakama. - "You are supposed to die 3 years from now on, but since it's like this, we might as well hurry the issue. Don't worry, at least you'll keep your dignity and you won't be known as a piece of scum that conspired against his family due to envy", Kyle pushes the king through the balcony. - Since stating that the king was "drunk and fell off the balcony" was too embarrassing, the official communicate was that he was struck down by a sudden illness, and the deal was closed.... .... Not sure if I got everything right __________________ Now sponsoring : video game analogies (ES) Last update : Chapter 25 as of 31/08/12 Last edited by Okashira; 2014-09-18 at 15:10.

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Chosen_Hero Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014	Or maybe he is the Demon Lord himself but doesn't know he'll become one. __________________

2014-09-18, 17:28	Link #50
jaydreadzz Love Miku x Rin <3 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: In Your Heart <3	since the princess is saved so that's mean their might a new possibility of coughNewcoughFlag*cough since the history has change __________________

2014-09-20, 09:20	Link #57
Fwarlord Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013	I have a theory: Let's say, Kyle will success in his plan to become a famed hero who can unite the human world to fight the demons. But that journey also claims some of his comrade's lifes(for example, Riize and Urza). So Kyle come up with a plan, he will return to the past one more time to save his fallen comrades. He will lead the human world to attack the demons, both to make sure they won't get attacked first and to use their lifes to pay for the cost of the forbidden spell. In their first strike, the humans destroy a demons' border village and kill every demon here, including friends, mother and childhood friend of a young demon who is training in a faraway place. When the young demon returns home, just to find out each and every one precious to him was killed, he vows to take his revenge. Then he become a dark knight, leading an elite demon squad to execute a suicide mission: killing the human's leader, the hero Kyle. The dark knight finally succeed, in exchange for his entire team's life, including his own. In his last breath, a scarlet stone come to him and a forbidden spell is activated... __________________ Lovers for Eternity

2014-09-18, 16:44	Link #49
Valky Radioactive Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: The Big Durian	It looks interesting. The hero is a two-timer since the few starting chapters. I get the feeling that he will die not by the Demon King. Btw, for those who read the raw, will we see Rudolph (the former hero)?

2014-09-18, 18:18	Link #51
VooXoo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rieti-Italia	Maybe the demon lord really wanted to save the world, but how can you explain the situation to the human race and make them accept a total genocide for a problem they don't know and he probably couldn't prove? Is even possible the demon lord just wanted to return back for personal stuff, like saving a single loved person, for a demon after all morals are on another scale.

2014-09-18, 18:33	Link #52
kasimmorathi Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	Hero stated that one of three options to completing his objective was to become a hero, or become king. He believed he couldn't become king. With the princess however... he has an opportunity to leverage.

2014-09-19, 03:11	Link #56
VooXoo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rieti-Italia	Yeah, the suicide squad was enough powerful for a last stand only after raiding the ancient tomb, his allies were probably humanity had to offer and even with that everyone died and even the MC was dying from his wounds, the demon lord is simply so strong. The phantom for training is probably a bit weaker than the original. Anyway I'm interested in future allies, many people changed after the first invasion (the MC friend made a total 180°), that means people who gave their all for humanity in the previous timeline will be hard to get in this one.

2014-09-20, 12:51	Link #59
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Theory Kyle = Demon lord is prety stupid, Only idiot would lock himself into infinite time-loop where he kills his loved one just to get killed by himself and repeat whole cycle again. ....Kyle is not idiot. Not mention you would need another two loops which would make story too convulsive. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)