2009-03-24, 23:52 | Link #14201 |
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OK, lets imagine Haruhi has achieve self awareness. Can Haruhi utilize her powers in a way that does not make sense to her?
Can she simply say I don't want any IDE in this here universe? How should she achieve this? Does she goes on to figure out how exactly the IDE stores itself; then goes on to destroy that means of data storage? She may also want all crabs to have soft shells, but that just doesn't make sense in you believe evolution; so that may remain impossible. Otherwise, the Haruhiverse is filled with what Discworld calls narrativium; the substance that forms whatever you believe to be. |
2009-03-24, 23:59 | Link #14202 | ||
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And I'd assume that Endless Eight gave her plenty of time for her to reflect on her fate. A long, long time to reflect. I wonder how many times Yuki went crazy and killed them all that she didn't tell anyone about? Quote:
The Haruhi universe is basically a massive, incredibly complex, SQL-based data structure, judging by how the IDE inputs its commands. Controlling it is merely a matter of inputting the right commands. Haruhi's powers can take care of this for her. A self-aware Haruhi would only need to will something to be true, and it would be. This is what it means to be all-powerful, and why making Haruhi self-aware is an absolute last resort. |
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2009-03-25, 00:02 | Link #14203 |
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She can change normal pigeons into the now extinct Carrier Pigeons on a whim without even knowing about it if she wants something enough.
She can make a colored contact lens into a deadly weapons just by believing it can (and yet doesn't even notice she did it...twice). She can make a cat talk without noticing even when it is on camera and she's directing. She can make the sakura trees bloom in October...and not notice anything is out of place. Haruhi could be scary if she knew something.
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2009-03-25, 00:33 | Link #14205 | |
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2009-03-25, 00:35 | Link #14206 |
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Well, if she did come to realize her power, the next step would be to use that power to gain omniscience. But if she does, knowing everything that ever is, was, will be and might be, she might just divorce herself from the world and hang out on Mars.
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2009-03-25, 01:12 | Link #14209 |
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One more thing, I believe it is implied that the IDE could avoid the fallout from Harupowers if it chooses to.
Vol. 1: Yuki states that the IDE hopes that they return to the universe because Haruhi may be a once in a universe occurance. This implies that however screwed up they make the world and the timeline by disappearing, the IDE will remain. Endless 8: while the rest of the universe goes on a time loop, the IDE somehow remembers each one. With that in mind, would you blame Yuki for arming Ryoko with the ability to fight off other Data Entities? I'd like a glowing blue Haruhi full frontal though. And Kyon = Rorschach? |
2009-03-25, 01:16 | Link #14210 |
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Thing is, Yuki seems to have only rewritten roughly one year of time (perhaps less). As some events still happen as they always did, and she didn't write herself out of the escape program from 3.5 years ago. Kyon of course remembers everything since she didn't tamper with him (much like Haruhi's will never tampers with Kyon..save maybe Endless Eight due to the resets). But the library incident is more or less the same from Haruhi's first city investigation.
The real questions get to be...how do we genderbend all this....Book 4 was one of those Bridges to Cross later. Is it Later yet?
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2009-03-25, 01:22 | Link #14211 | ||||
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But that's book one and a lot of the concepts weren't fully formed yet. Quote:
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She may have had her Interface abilities, I don't know. Keep in mind that Yuki DID destroy the IDE during that period of time. The book even says it. Quote:
It's all moot anyway, as Kyon fixing the timestream destroyed everything that happened in Vol. 4, and the Yukiverse only existed for like ten minutes. Sure. |
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2009-03-25, 07:15 | Link #14218 | ||||
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It'd seem optimistic to hope that not having intimate knowledge on her query would keep her from killing you. Quote:
The only rational law that bind Haruhi's power, is her own common sense of how she thinks the world should work. Quote:
And again, the fact that Yuki using the power was able to erase the IDE suggests that Haruhi would be capable of it to if she decided to. Read some text that dealt with that. It mainly differed in that he was less rough (not needed since he out masses Kyonko by so much) and he didn't seem mad about Kynko getting to aggressive with Mitsuuru. In fact, he seemed to mostly be flirting with her.
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2009-03-25, 17:38 | Link #14219 |
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"I want that thing that took Yuki away to be gone."
That's all Haruhi really has to do. Which is why the Organization, the time travelers and the Data thingie have been trying to get on her good side. As a result, don't expect Nagato to disappear until Haruhi begins wanting her gone*, which isn't happening anytime soon. * Whether Haruhi or the Data thingie does it is irrelevant. The fact is that she is "protected" as long as Haruhi likes her.
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The thing with narrativium is that Haruhi's wishes would always bring about HER desired outcome, because that's how the story would flow. Probably a reason why most of the use of her power is subconscious. Does anyone know the story of the sadistic genie? If you don't word your wish properly, the results always backfire? Would Haruhi's awareness of her power enhance or cripple her? Say she decides to change the cosmological constant, or the speed of light, can she really imagine the consequences? If she can't fully imagine it, I'd argue you have the ability to find a loophole to avoid said power. Imagine you are the IDE. You know Haruhi is coming. Wouldn't you create something that's distinctly not the IDE but still capable of carrying out your objectives? Quote:
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