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Tenzen12 · 2017-10-15, 11:15

It's. not that bad. I mean there is nothing wrong with eating defeated enemies, especially for proud warrior race as Klingons. It certainly doesn't do them any disservice.

As for Discovery itself it does follow classic Star Trek trends that promote understanding over violence. I wasn't exactly enthusiastic about double episode pilot, but it did get on right track afterwards.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2017-10-15, 11:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

It's. not that bad. I mean there is nothing wrong with eating defeated enemies, especially for proud warrior race as Klingons. It certainly doesn't do them any disservice.

As for Discovery itself it does follow classic Star Trek trends that promote understanding over violence. I wasn't exactly enthusiastic about double episode pilot, but it did get on right track afterwards.

If you listen to the video that I posted, it doesn't seem to be on the right track. And the problem is not only about Klingons eating enemies either. The writing for the plot and characters are all over the place for such a short series (certainly can't be compared to TOS or TNG in episode-numbers).

Tenzen12 · 2017-10-15, 13:57

I listened video and most "issues" aren plainly silly. Crew of Discovery got two episodes so far, show itself just started introduce them. Of course they are underdeveloped. Complaining about that just showing bias.

Klingons eating people? Sure why not? Originally Klingons weren't even all that honourable in first place. They weren't much more than evil cartoonish antagonists that got in a way of Jim's blue alien gal flirting. They got more proper spotlight later,much later. Either way there is no problem with how they are featured here. It's not like we knew every last thing about their culture, even if some people would like think so.

Ithekro · 2017-10-15, 16:12

Since they were starving, eating the defeated enemy that is not your own species is likely acceptable. Survival is key after all.

The actual problem is that the ship was still there after six months without any issue with either the Klingon Empire or the Federation. That is a oddity that is difficult to explain.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2017-10-15, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ithekro

The actual problem is that the ship was still there after six months without any issue with either the Klingon Empire or the Federation. That is a oddity that is difficult to explain.

Agreed. That's just as bad (if not worse) than the Nero plot hole in ST-2009.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

I listened video and most "issues" aren plainly silly.

Plot problems, characters being badly written, and imitating (if not plagiarizing) elements from Dune are not silly issues IMO, especially for a short series (15-or-so episodes) compared to other ST series with 50+ eps. Why couldn't they afford better writing for such few episodes?

Tenzen12 · 2017-10-16, 11:20

It's silly because it is not that case. Characters are not badly written (yet), it didn't showed any plot problems (yet). As for borrowing elements from dune, sure you can't really make space opera without getting elements of ST, SW or Dune. These three are pretty much same to space operas as LotR to high fantasy. Having bug filling role of guild navigator is not that big deal. If it was human mutated through gas wonderdrug then we can talk about plagiarism. This is accidental similarity at best, nice homage at "worst".

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2017-10-16, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

It's silly because it is not that case. Characters are not badly written (yet), it didn't showed any plot problems (yet). As for borrowing elements from dune, sure you can't really make space opera without getting elements of ST, SW or Dune. These three are pretty much same to space operas as LotR to high fantasy. Having bug filling role of guild navigator is not that big deal. If it was human mutated through gas wonderdrug then we can talk about plagiarism. This is accidental similarity at best, nice homage at "worst".

Many people already saw the problematic writing in STD pilot episodes especially that Michael whatever character. If everything are just dandy, there wouldn't be so much ST fans complaining, there wouldn't be so many YT videos expressing how it sucks and angry comments on various forums. It also claims to be Prime yet it destroy the Prime continuity unless they're gonna have a DEM that somehow will wipe every "Prime inconsistencies" in the end. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, huh?

Tenzen12 · 2017-10-16, 18:22

Pilot episodes weren't exactly great or even "Startrekish" alright I myself said that like two pages ago, but that's because real deal started by episode 3. Until then there isn't even eponymous ship involved.

As for people complaining, well they always do just look on Re:Creators or IBO of recent. But yes I a willing stop here with agree to disagree clause. Until next bash post, that is.

That said if you were to complain about Klingon ward keeping human sex slave, then we would finally get on ground of reasonable arguments, that certainly was bad move...

AnimeFan188 · 2017-10-24, 01:49

CBS has renewed Star Trek: Discovery for a second season:

"The USS Discovery will continue to explore the galaxy. CBS announced this morning
that it has renewed the latest iteration of the Star Trek franchise for a second season.

CBS noted that the show has been successful at bringing in new subscribers to its
streaming service All Access, and has earned acclaim from fans and critics. Following the
season’s premiere, CBS announced that sign-ups for the service had reached their
highest level to date. CBS did not announce an episode count for season 2, nor when it
would begin airing."

See:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/23/...ccess-season-2

Ithekro · 2017-10-24, 03:32

I wonder if they'll permanently break the Spore Drive before then. They mentioned the war with the Klingons would probably be over by the second season, but they would explore the aftermath of war.

Anh_Minh · 2018-01-10, 16:52

Spoiler for ep10:

Ithekro · 2018-01-10, 17:55

Sometimes the smartest people can be so dumb.

I still have problems with this series (mostly the Klingons), but at the same time I am curious where they are going to go with this. Most Star Trek series have taken three seasons to get really going...aside from the original which has the benefit of having a lot of good episodes in the first season. And even that didn't making in back then since it was cancelled by the end of its third season, with a threat of it being cancelled at the end of its second season.

FlareKnight · 2018-01-11, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Spoiler for ep10:

When the writers want you to be a stupid character...things just turn out like that

.

sunset · 2018-02-12, 16:36

Was that one of those mind control creatures from Ceti Alpha V being barbecued at the the Orion district in Qo'nos?

But more important...

Spoiler:

Ithekro · 2018-02-12, 17:32

Probably because eating it live would not be a good idea.

There will be a lot of talk about the last minute or two of the show until the next season starts.

sunset · 2018-02-12, 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Probably because eating it live would not be a good idea.

Don't knock it til you've tried it, it's as tasty as gormagander steak.

Ithekro · 2018-02-12, 20:09

More likely to try to mind control you if its live.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2018-03-10, 04:35

I know it's old by now, but I think this season review fits here:

YouTube

https://youtu.be/ri7v-utIcvY

Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?

AnimeFan188 · 2018-04-15, 17:37

Star Trek: Discovery's Version of the Enterprise Had to
Be Modified for Legal Reasons:

"The finale of Star Trek: Discovery gave us a short glimpse at the most legendary ship in
the entire Starfleet: the Enterprise, ten years before the original Star Trek television
show. Befitting the different visual style of Discovery, the ship looks a little different than
we remembered, but that apparently wasn’t just for creative reasons."

See:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-di...-to-1825276401

AnimeFan188 · 2018-05-20, 00:11

A dozen years after near-death, Star Trek’s future
may be stronger than ever:

"Discovery is moving ahead under full impulse power. CBS renewed the show for a
second season before its first had wrapped, scripts have already been written, and
production began earlier this month. There’s no premiere date set yet, and producer
Alex Kurtzman has said that we may not see the second season until the first half of
2019.

Even if there’s a wait, we fans can rest assured knowing a little more about what the
second season of Discovery has in store for us than we do with the fourth “Kelvin”
film. That surprise cameo at the end of the season finale is likely to stick around for at
least a couple of episodes. We have new casting announcements for the second
season—including Hell on Wheels’ Anson Mount as the captain of said cameo, among
others. A production teaser released this week show tantalizing shots of new uniforms
and sets. Showrunners have stated that the second season will not feature war as a
backdrop, and that episodes may feel like more familiar Trek territory than the stories
told in the first season. So as is my hope with the new movies, I would like the second
season to feature more exploration and more “real” science fiction stories. I enjoy a
wartime story arc as much as the next Trekkie, but eventually you have to get back to
boldly going and all that.

And if a second season of Discovery and two more movies at Paramount weren't
enough to whet your Trek appetite, the future of the franchise had potential major
updates just this week. Wrath of Khan director Nick Meyer stated during an event at
UC Irvine on May 16 that he was working on a trilogy of movies for CBS All Access,
although forward momentum was on hold while CBS and Paramount work out their
legal situation. (I think I speak for Trekkies everywhere when I beg the two
companies to work out their differences so those films see the light of day!)

For now, though, we at least have those confirmed films and another season of
Discovery. Though these latest Trek projects have clearly grown into distinct
entities—a recasted, high-budget journey into early Trek characters versus a small
(choose your own) screen affair with new everything and a distinctly post-Roddenbery
vision—there is a common theme between them early on.

Neither JJ Abrams’ films nor Discovery are the same sort of Star Trek with which most
of us grew up."

See:

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/...ger-than-ever/

2017-10-15, 11:15	Link #81
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	It's. not that bad. I mean there is nothing wrong with eating defeated enemies, especially for proud warrior race as Klingons. It certainly doesn't do them any disservice. As for Discovery itself it does follow classic Star Trek trends that promote understanding over violence. I wasn't exactly enthusiastic about double episode pilot, but it did get on right track afterwards. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

2017-10-15, 13:57	Link #83
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	I listened video and most "issues" aren plainly silly. Crew of Discovery got two episodes so far, show itself just started introduce them. Of course they are underdeveloped. Complaining about that just showing bias. Klingons eating people? Sure why not? Originally Klingons weren't even all that honourable in first place. They weren't much more than evil cartoonish antagonists that got in a way of Jim's blue alien gal flirting. They got more proper spotlight later,much later. Either way there is no problem with how they are featured here. It's not like we knew every last thing about their culture, even if some people would like think so. __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

2017-10-15, 16:12	Link #84
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Since they were starving, eating the defeated enemy that is not your own species is likely acceptable. Survival is key after all. The actual problem is that the ship was still there after six months without any issue with either the Klingon Empire or the Federation. That is a oddity that is difficult to explain. __________________

2017-10-16, 11:20	Link #86
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	It's silly because it is not that case. Characters are not badly written (yet), it didn't showed any plot problems (yet). As for borrowing elements from dune, sure you can't really make space opera without getting elements of ST, SW or Dune. These three are pretty much same to space operas as LotR to high fantasy. Having bug filling role of guild navigator is not that big deal. If it was human mutated through gas wonderdrug then we can talk about plagiarism. This is accidental similarity at best, nice homage at "worst". __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

2017-10-16, 18:22	Link #88
Tenzen12 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012	Pilot episodes weren't exactly great or even "Startrekish" alright I myself said that like two pages ago, but that's because real deal started by episode 3. Until then there isn't even eponymous ship involved. As for people complaining, well they always do just look on Re:Creators or IBO of recent. But yes I a willing stop here with agree to disagree clause. Until next bash post, that is. That said if you were to complain about Klingon ward keeping human sex slave, then we would finally get on ground of reasonable arguments, that certainly was bad move... __________________ "I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it" (Charles R. Swindoll)

2017-10-24, 01:49	Link #89
AnimeFan188 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	CBS has renewed Star Trek: Discovery for a second season: "The USS Discovery will continue to explore the galaxy. CBS announced this morning that it has renewed the latest iteration of the Star Trek franchise for a second season. CBS noted that the show has been successful at bringing in new subscribers to its streaming service All Access, and has earned acclaim from fans and critics. Following the season’s premiere, CBS announced that sign-ups for the service had reached their highest level to date. CBS did not announce an episode count for season 2, nor when it would begin airing." See: https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/23/...ccess-season-2

2017-10-24, 03:32	Link #90
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	I wonder if they'll permanently break the Spore Drive before then. They mentioned the war with the Klingons would probably be over by the second season, but they would explore the aftermath of war. __________________

2018-01-10, 16:52	Link #91
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Spoiler for ep10: Wow, that was pretty stupid. "I suspect you to be a Klingon plant, so I'm going to tell you in private with absolutely no backup."

2018-01-10, 17:55	Link #92
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Sometimes the smartest people can be so dumb. I still have problems with this series (mostly the Klingons), but at the same time I am curious where they are going to go with this. Most Star Trek series have taken three seasons to get really going...aside from the original which has the benefit of having a lot of good episodes in the first season. And even that didn't making in back then since it was cancelled by the end of its third season, with a threat of it being cancelled at the end of its second season. __________________

2018-02-12, 16:36	Link #94
sunset Twilight Impersonator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: a zoo	Was that one of those mind control creatures from Ceti Alpha V being barbecued at the the Orion district in Qo'nos? But more important... Spoiler: Jon Hamm for Captain Pike or we riot.

2018-02-12, 17:32	Link #95
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Probably because eating it live would not be a good idea. There will be a lot of talk about the last minute or two of the show until the next season starts. __________________

2018-02-12, 20:09	Link #97
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	More likely to try to mind control you if its live. __________________

2018-03-10, 04:35	Link #98
Obelisk ze Tormentor Black Steel Knight Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Indonesia	I know it's old by now, but I think this season review fits here: YouTube https://youtu.be/ri7v-utIcvY Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload? __________________

2018-04-15, 17:37	Link #99
AnimeFan188 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	Star Trek: Discovery's Version of the Enterprise Had to Be Modified for Legal Reasons: "The finale of Star Trek: Discovery gave us a short glimpse at the most legendary ship in the entire Starfleet: the Enterprise, ten years before the original Star Trek television show. Befitting the different visual style of Discovery, the ship looks a little different than we remembered, but that apparently wasn’t just for creative reasons." See: https://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-di...-to-1825276401

2018-05-20, 00:11	Link #100
AnimeFan188 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008	A dozen years after near-death, Star Trek’s future may be stronger than ever: "Discovery is moving ahead under full impulse power. CBS renewed the show for a second season before its first had wrapped, scripts have already been written, and production began earlier this month. There’s no premiere date set yet, and producer Alex Kurtzman has said that we may not see the second season until the first half of 2019. Even if there’s a wait, we fans can rest assured knowing a little more about what the second season of Discovery has in store for us than we do with the fourth “Kelvin” film. That surprise cameo at the end of the season finale is likely to stick around for at least a couple of episodes. We have new casting announcements for the second season—including Hell on Wheels’ Anson Mount as the captain of said cameo, among others. A production teaser released this week show tantalizing shots of new uniforms and sets. Showrunners have stated that the second season will not feature war as a backdrop, and that episodes may feel like more familiar Trek territory than the stories told in the first season. So as is my hope with the new movies, I would like the second season to feature more exploration and more “real” science fiction stories. I enjoy a wartime story arc as much as the next Trekkie, but eventually you have to get back to boldly going and all that. And if a second season of Discovery and two more movies at Paramount weren't enough to whet your Trek appetite, the future of the franchise had potential major updates just this week. Wrath of Khan director Nick Meyer stated during an event at UC Irvine on May 16 that he was working on a trilogy of movies for CBS All Access, although forward momentum was on hold while CBS and Paramount work out their legal situation. (I think I speak for Trekkies everywhere when I beg the two companies to work out their differences so those films see the light of day!) For now, though, we at least have those confirmed films and another season of Discovery. Though these latest Trek projects have clearly grown into distinct entities—a recasted, high-budget journey into early Trek characters versus a small (choose your own) screen affair with new everything and a distinctly post-Roddenbery vision—there is a common theme between them early on. Neither JJ Abrams’ films nor Discovery are the same sort of Star Trek with which most of us grew up." See: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/...ger-than-ever/