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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 20 Rating
Perfect 10 152 75.25%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 35 17.33%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 7 3.47%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 2.48%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 0.50%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 0.99%
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Old 2008-08-22, 22:01   Link #281
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She's been stalled since Episode 13 - just when you thought she was growing up... well, that got blown away by the time she got rescued by nii-san. It doesn't help that Grace and Nanase have been feeding her ego and keeping her spoiled... or that, when push came to shove and she could've done what Sheryl managed in Episode 7 (and which amazed Ranka)... she didn't, and she couldn't. Of course, that gave Sheryl an opportunity to show her stuff and why she's the professional onboard.

It's getting much, much harder to feel sympathy for Ranka, even if she's a young girl - Ozma spoiled her, and she's yet to get back on track... and worse for her, is being actively derailed. If she wants Alto, as she says she does, then she needs to do more than sit there and wait for him to run into her arms. Hell, even KLEIN was doing more with Mikhail than she did with Alto.

Of course, Alto wasn't helping things either, being tsun-tsun to them both.
Remember how Sherly has come form noting only to lose everything and then come back from the edge of depression. Well Ranka will have to go through the same thing if she wants to truly reach the same level as Sherly especially after she finds out what she really is...

Then I'll bet you by the end of this series they'll be standing on equal ground together singing they're hearts out while Alto fights for the both of them...like in the OP...
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Old 2008-08-22, 22:04   Link #282
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Macross has a tendency to reuse names like Eddie, Gilliam and Bobby but Mikhail may have had death flag writen all over him since day one. Not counting Millia's chief stooge Michael of course in Macross 7.

Watching Macross Zero again Roy told Aries why he joined the UN Forces.

A buddy of Roy named Michael was killed in the first Anti-UN terrorist bombing. Five minutes after Roy said goodbye to him.
Gilliam's a pretty unlucky name too, though. We've only seen it twice in Macross series/games.

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Remember how Sherly has come form noting only to lose everything and then come back from the edge of depression. Well Ranka will have to go through the same thing if she wants to truly reach the same level as Sherly especially after she finds out what she really is...

Then I'll bet you by the end of this series they'll be standing on equal ground together singing they're hearts out while Alto fights for the both of them...like in the OP...
Sheryl had the advantage of doing it on-camera. Ranka won't get that... and worse yet, unlike Sheryl who actually has a proactive mindset, she's likely to just sit there, blame herself, and go catatonic rather than fight for what she wants. Sheryl'll probably have to slap her a half-dozen times before they start singing together.
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Old 2008-08-22, 22:16   Link #283
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Sheryl had the advantage of doing it on-camera. Ranka won't get that... and worse yet, unlike Sheryl who actually has a proactive mindset, she's likely to just sit there, blame herself, and go catatonic rather than fight for what she wants. Sheryl'll probably have to slap her a half-dozen times before they start singing together.
You just had to bring up the slapping didn't you?...

Once again give it time...The series isn't over yet and Ranka still has a lot more punishment to endure before she and Sherly can truly stand as equals.
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Old 2008-08-22, 22:29   Link #284
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You just had to bring up the slapping didn't you?...

Once again give it time...The series isn't over yet and Ranka still has a lot more punishment to endure before she and Sherly can truly stand as equals.
Ranka's hard to get back into the real world sometimes - a physical or mental slap seems to be all that does it, at some points. And I don't think they'll stand as equals... but perhaps as teacher and student.
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Old 2008-08-22, 22:46   Link #285
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For those that have connection to gg group, please please please release the .ass file for those of us that cant watch their .mkv version

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Underage marriage :x

For those that have connection to gg group, please please please release the .ass file for those of us that cant watch their .mkv version

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I second this my pc is slow for .mkv, yet is .mp4 i can see it ok
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gg version isn't even out yet... that was a troll.
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Ah ok then >.<

Now that you mentioned it, it does seems to be removed from TT's listing
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Old 2008-08-23, 00:59   Link #289
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omg, sad episode. Finally Klan confess to Michael but he die to protect the one he love too, I thought he will survive, too bad he is gone like tat. That was cruel, to see someone die infront of her. From the preview, look like Klan is quite mad and very the sad, dunno what will happen in next episode.
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Old 2008-08-23, 04:30   Link #290
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Seriously, it's hard to root for this triangle and anyone - especially with Alto being an utter bitch to Sheryl and Ranka... and Ranka being spoiled enough to expect Alto to magically know what she feels for him. Sheryl at least has had some development, in comparison to the two of them.
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He's been a bitch the whole series. It took Mikhail needling him the past twenty episodes before he got the point. Remembering that Mikhail's been basically calling Alto an idiot every time he's interacted with Ranka or Sheryl while Mikhail was nearby. At this stage, if he doesn't either say he's not interested or pick a girl and chooses to be an emo Code Geass refugee, I'm going to have to vote for him to get the next order of Pineapple Salad.
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She's been stalled since Episode 13 - just when you thought she was growing up... well, that got blown away by the time she got rescued by nii-san. It doesn't help that Grace and Nanase have been feeding her ego and keeping her spoiled... or that, when push came to shove and she could've done what Sheryl managed in Episode 7 (and which amazed Ranka)... she didn't, and she couldn't. Of course, that gave Sheryl an opportunity to show her stuff and why she's the professional onboard.

It's getting much, much harder to feel sympathy for Ranka, even if she's a young girl - Ozma spoiled her, and she's yet to get back on track... and worse for her, is being actively derailed. If she wants Alto, as she says she does, then she needs to do more than sit there and wait for him to run into her arms. Hell, even KLEIN was doing more with Mikhail than she did with Alto.

Of course, Alto wasn't helping things either, being tsun-tsun to them both.
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Ranka's hard to get back into the real world sometimes - a physical or mental slap seems to be all that does it, at some points. And I don't think they'll stand as equals... but perhaps as teacher and student.

Sorry the amount of repost but I had to quote these as acknowledgment of good criticism of Ranka. She indeed is young and unexperienced in life. This is part of the problem with the character from a development stand point. They make her 16 in years but they give her the body and mentality of a 12 year old. It's really poor development on their part in my opinion. As I said before they could have told this story the same with a slightly more mature character and still gotten a similar feel to it without all the hatred. I also heavily agree that it takes two to tango and that Ranka can't be blamed by herself in this. She certainly can't be blamed "solely" for Michael's death. There is nothing Ranka could have done even IF she sang well. The key to the song was her emotions which were completely shattered by the discovery of Alto and Sheryl up there. So singing wasn't the downfall. Not being 100% behind her song was and that was out of her control. This goes along with the immaturity of the character. BTW I don't think if she did sing well with emotion that much would have changed. The Vajra would have still attacked and there still would have been casualties. The only difference may have been Michael but his actions to protect Klan were ultimately what got him killed. In fact the whole sequence was odd. I'm not sure why all of them didn't go down the hall instead of just Alto and Michael. I guess I'll see if I get more insight when subs come out.

BTW I guess if you can't show Ranka or Sheryl naked, show lolicon Klan topless to make up for it. *sigh* These loli loving animators are killing me here.

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wow just wow...what episode...

Now people lets not judge Ranka too harshly she's a young girl still learning to grow up and this takes time and a lot of experience but luck for her she has people push her in the right direction.
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Remember how Sherly has come form noting only to lose everything and then come back from the edge of depression. Well Ranka will have to go through the same thing if she wants to truly reach the same level as Sherly especially after she finds out what she really is...

Then I'll bet you by the end of this series they'll be standing on equal ground together singing they're hearts out while Alto fights for the both of them...like in the OP...
I have to agree with most of this and disagree slightly with the last paragraph. I absolutely believe that you are right in that Ranka had to reach a point of despair to really understand her own potential. To be able to draw on that emotion in future performance and singing. I however think that Sheryl will probably always be greater in the sense of talent and power in the end. I do believe however that Sheryl will probably take a more active role in being Ranka's mentor and shaping her to be more professional. I am crossing my fingers for that.

Sheryl's music is motivational and moving, Ranka's music is special and has magical properties. Together they will both motivate their own and also help with the fight against the Vajra. Both of them as a team will probably do this, that much I agree upon.
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wow just wow...what episode...

- Michael dies I was so hoping for a happy ending with him and Klan too.

- Leon is plans are reviled but on way to stop him now...

- Grace is has evil as ever...

- Also Sherly comes in and hands Ranka some tough love to get her back on track.

Now people lets not judge Ranka too harshly she's a young girl still learning to grow up and this takes time and a lot of experience but luck for her she has people push her in the right direction.
Sheryl played the mother or older sister for Ranka in that scene.
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BTW I guess if you can't show Ranka or Sheryl naked, show lolicon Klan topless to make up for it. *sigh* These loli loving animators are killing me here.
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I have to agree with most of this and disagree slightly with the last paragraph. I absolutely believe that you are right in that Ranka had to reach a point of despair to really understand her own potential. To be able to draw on that emotion in future performance and singing. I however think that Sheryl will probably always be greater in the sense of talent and power in the end. I do believe however that Sheryl will probably take a more active role in being Ranka's mentor and shaping her to be more professional. I am crossing my fingers for that.

Sheryl's music is motivational and moving, Ranka's music is special and has magical properties. Together they will both motivate their own and also help with the fight against the Vajra. Both of them as a team will probably do this, that much I agree upon.
It's okay if you don't agree and it's understandable why however I still believe in my heart that Ranka can still raise to Sherly's level by the end of due to the power of forced plot progression...
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now that i thought abot that and read your posts, maybe LION will be used in the anime as their magical combo attack song!
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Old 2008-08-23, 09:37   Link #296
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This ep made it into what I deem one of the best lead-in-EDs of the series, along with Aimo for the Macross Zero ep.

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Ah, so President Glass transferred government autorithy over to Battle Frontier, just before he was killed. So that will be the fly in Leons soup.
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Ah, so President Glass transferred government autorithy over to Battle Frontier, just before he was killed. So that will be the fly in Leons soup.
Good or bad, at least we get to see Battle 25 transform.

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re-watched the ep with gg subs this time. should have voted the damn 10 instead of the 8.....
Still can't believe poor Klan seeing Mikhail get impaled and the sucked out into space before her eyes. *sadpanda*
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Good or bad, at least we get to see Battle 25 transform.

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Hey, I was wondering to myself two weeks ago why Glass had finally said the name of the captain of Battle Frontier ( Perry-kun ). Now it makes sense.
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