2012-09-28, 08:04 | Link #445 |
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That was not by Rhee's orders, but more a reaction among the troops to the brutal occupation by KPA before the Incheon Landing reversed the tide. If your family had been looted, raped, executed, worked to death, marched off to the north, you might be more than slightly angry at DPRK collaborators.
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2012-09-28, 08:23 | Link #447 |
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Bodo League: Again, why I mentioned disconnect with reality. First there was the suspicious alleging of Rhee having ordered the execution when there have been no records of anything of the sort short of a single witness. Furthermore, supposing such an order had been given, it was two days after the war started, with Rhee already on his way to Busan. Would a sane person in any circumstances short of an ideological commitment (see national socialism) take the time to order executions as he is riding the train south?
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2012-09-28, 08:53 | Link #451 |
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Not to defend all of Dr. Sun's actions, but I don't particularly see him in a negative light in comparison with all other "revolutionaries" making decisions for the betterment of specifically what they viewed to be "their" country and "their" people. (In full disclosure, I don't know if this is true or not, but my mother once told me that my grandfather had harboured him while he was travelling through Vietnam to some other place.)
Many if most of the same criticisms could be aimed at government/faction leaders in Japan and the U.S. if not around the whole world during the same time period. The fact that the current leaders of the PRC continue to embrace outdated ideologies is disappointing, but that's like blaming Claudius Ptolemaeus for people that currently still believe the Earth is the center of the universe. EDIT: Not sure how I missed this one.. The tone of the article is mixed, albeit somewhat positive. China official says spat with Japan derails free trade talks (Reuters) - A festering territorial dispute between China and Japan has derailed talks for a free trade zone involving the two countries and South Korea, an adviser to China's central bank said on Thursday. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...88P1QS20120927 Last edited by willx; 2012-09-28 at 13:20. Reason: Adding real news! |
2012-09-28, 14:18 | Link #452 |
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Not a chance,
if Chang had manage to unify all of China, he would be giving the US the middle in 10 yrs. I seriously doubt he would forgive or forget the fact that the CIA try to have him replace.
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2012-09-28, 15:36 | Link #453 | |
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The KMT also committed pretty horrible crimes, to be sure, but it was based in corruption and lack of central control as opposed to the CCPs' strategic-minded disregard for human rights and totalitarianism. For instance, the KMT executed Mao Zedong's wife for being active as a revolutionary but left his son alone. Under the CCP they would have certainly been tortured, re-educated, used in some way, and then executed if convenient. An example is in the ex-KMT troops who surrendered, and were then sent directly to Korea where most of them died, then the ones who were captured and repatriated were accused during the Cultural Revolution and then if there were still any left in the present day they are beggars on the street with no help from the party they were forced to serve. Pan-Green people in Taiwan like to whine and moan about the KMT's dictatorship, and others like to discount the ROC's success by saying that it is a small and manageable island. If the CCP had ended up in control over Taiwan and not the mainland, it'd probably look like North Korea. If the mainland were to fall under control of the ROC, the process would certainly be rockier, but you'd avoid so many calamities that were totally artificial and a direct result of the CCP's totalitarian instinct that it would be difficult to imagine this hypothetical ROC being worse off than the PRC is today. It may not have experienced the same rocketing economic growth, but in exchange its rise would be more gradual and come with less social conflicts. Most probably it would be somewhere near or a bit above the mark of the present-day PRC, but the path would be more stable and the society more normal, instead of the existing cultural void and cynicism, which is a totalitarian relic and something observed also in the former eastern bloc, like with East Germans or Russians. |
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2012-09-28, 17:16 | Link #454 | |
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2012-09-29, 06:08 | Link #456 |
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@LeoXiao,
An interesting batch of speculation aside, I was actually assuming that aohige was saying that an alternate-history ROC government in China would behave any better towards the Senkaku issue than the present PRC does. And I'm pretty sure you're as aware as I am, that any Chinese government regardless of its stripe will cling pretty hard to the "One under Heaven" Manifest Destiny mindset, which means that a dominant ROC would probably be just as expansionist as the present PRC. So, everything you said was interesting, but... not really what I was talking about. |
2012-09-29, 06:23 | Link #457 | |
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But current Taiwan's system is more compatible with co-existing of new and old values, closer to other republic states in the pacific and world wide. Nothing is flowers and peaches, but hell, it's still a better alternative to that weird authoritarian communism-but-actually-not-really-communism they got going right now.
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2012-09-29, 06:46 | Link #458 | |
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2012-09-29, 06:51 | Link #459 |
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I would have thought Taiwan only became how it is now because of the need to turn to the West as an ally against the immediate menace in the East (well geographically West but..). From what I know of history during the middle of WW2 and it's aftermath, both sides were pretty terrible really..
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2012-09-29, 10:26 | Link #460 | |
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Haruki Murakami weighs in on Senkaku
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