So with the entire translation present I want to explain myself a bit better about the left, right thing I mentioned before. We have Kasumi sitting in her wheelchair and we see she only has half a brain left, the left side. But in the flashback a scientist says Eveīs left brain is damaged. If Kasumiīs body was used to save Eve shouldnīt it have been her left side which would be missing? Iīm trying to figure out if Iīm making a mistake somewhere and am assuming too much at one point, but it seems really odd to me.
I almost canīt imagine Saten to be anyone but the science buddy of Gido and Kasumi after this chapter. But I always thought that was a great plottwist in the anime so if itīs like that Iīll be happy
Saten isn't even human. The bastard just opened up his stomach, and unlike in the anime adaptation, he doesn't have Zero.
At this point I'll stick with my theory. That Saten is a monster created by Triple Six with the missing parts of the Second Christ. Which would explain why he wears bandages around his arms and his neck and front were the 2nd Christ had scars.
You know what they say. "If you believe in God you believe in the Devil too."
Thank you Js06, that really helped shed some light.
Yeah I find it impossible that Satan isn't one of the scientist after the translation. Anime original ending wasn't that far from the truth, but this isn't as poorly done.
Indeed he isnīt human......anymore. Just like Gido isnīt human anymore. And donīt you think him saying
"I created you that way."
"I just altered the plans a bit when you were made."
Sounds a lot like he was a scientist closely involved in the Adam project? Btw looks like Saten was using telekinese to get that heart so Iīm not convinced he doesnīt have zero.
Will you guys believe me if I say Saten is actually the Second Christ and the "I created you" refers to his holy remains that evolved Arclight or perhaps the aftermath of that incident? Afterall, we don't know what happened with Arclight after he blew the facility.
Because looking closely at this,
No, he can't be a scientist involved in the Adam Project. He didn't even know about Blade in the first place. But one thing we know. Out of all the members of Simeon, Saten has been with Arclight the longest time.
Man, if it turns he's really him, it will explain a lot of things. Like how he was able to pull Arclight's heart out and why there was no rejection when Blade and him clashed heads.
Indeed he isnīt human......anymore. Just like Gido isnīt human anymore. And donīt you think him saying
"I created you that way."
"I just altered the plans a bit when you were made."
Sounds a lot like he was a scientist closely involved in the Adam project? Btw looks like Saten was using telekinese to get that heart so Iīm not convinced he doesnīt have zero.
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Saten still has a bandage over his forehead, so he might have a byakugou. When he was talking about Kurumi, he said 'I said we could still use her brains!!'. And what is the easiest way to learn a fragment? Just touch the source of the fragment, the brains (or the forehead, where the brains are), with your byakugou.
But just as Arclight ate Seto/Solva, Saten could have just eaten Kurumi's brains as well, since you learn the fragment that way as well, so who knows if he really has a byakugou as well.
I too think the chance is high that Saten has parts of the body of the Second Christ on him. 666 killed the second christ and Saten is working with 666 after all.
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So did Gido seal his own memories while he was with Blade and co and was that the reason why most of Gido's memories weren't shown during the reverse rejection reaction? I guess Ishiyama or Saten unsealed the memories recently.
So why did Gido join Blade and Eve? It seems he wasn't working for Arclight, but for another goal. It probably has something to do with Kasumi/Eve or 666. Since Gido and Saten 'let' Arclight gather nearly all stigmata, but decided to kill him now, this might mean that Gido/Saten were after the stigmatas themselves.
I still think that the world of the Angels is the 'Garden of Eden' and that's where the 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil (knowlegde -> eden's seed/appel)' and the 'tree of life (immortality -> ?)' come from, and that there's a connection with the stigmata (cherub?). Is he after this immortality?
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Also, we might learn why Saten has been protecting Cruz soon.
Is he something Gido/Saten created? I find the resemblence between (male) Cruz and Kasumi uncanny.
During the third shelter battle, Saten was waiting until Arca 'killed' Cruz, before he let Eve 'revive' him. He didn't let Eve/Blade get to Cruz before that moment. To me, this means that Saten wanted Eve to use doppelganger on Cruz. Did Saten want their DNA to come into contact for some reason? Was it a neccessary step for Cruz to awaken?
When Arclight noticed the changed colour of Cruz's eyes during his awakening, he seemed to recognize something. Something to do with the Angels or the second christ maybe?
Just what is Cruz? Is he just a normal needless with a strong fragment? Is he part of the adam project? Is he a container created for the purpose of gathering all stigmata in? Is he a needless being made strong enough the counter the Angels? Is he a needless with an Angel inside him (AnN)?
Saten is referring, and I think it's very obvious, to Kurumi's brain. I'm sure anyone can recall he frozed her over in order to keep her brain functioning.
Chances he's the Second Christ evil self are very high now. Seriously, those bandages, wrapped around both arms where the 2nd was cut, the neck where he has a scar, and the front where he probably had another. And as I said in my previous post, he didn't even know anything about Blade.
That can only mean Saten met Arclight days after the Adam Project incident and completed him with the help of Triple Six.
Not to mention, 666 is the number of the beast, the devil, and Saten is...
Will you guys believe me if I say Saten is actually the Second Christ and the "I created you" refers to his holy remains that evolved Arclight or perhaps the aftermath of that incident?
I can accept it as a possibility but he said that as a reaction to
"Even as a god, my right eye and heart have not been healed!!?" Since Arclights deficiency was there from his creation I think it's more likely it's in his DNA and since Saten goes on saying "I just altered the plans(or blueprint) a bit when you were made.
" I consider it more likely he was a scientist involved in creating the adam clones.
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No, he can't be a scientist involved in the Adam Project. He didn't even know about Blade in the first place. But one thing we know. Out of all the members of Simeon, Saten has been with Arclight the longest time.
To me Saten seemed more confused about something, unsure. I think it's an author's trick to fool the reader by just letting them see part of the thoughts in a (mis)leading way. My money is still on Saten being a former scientist. I do agree with you February can't come soon enough though. With a bit of luck we'll have our answer then.
Well, if he's a former scientist, then Triple Six must have experimented on him and gave birth to whom today is known by the name of Saten.
Yet...
Clearly, he was never involved in the Adam Project, at least not in Blade's.
And one more thing. Even Needlesses can't escape age. Saten is very young, just like Blade and Arclight.
But if it really turns he really is, as Riru gives off such sensation with her shock, that Saten is no other one than a subject who was created with the missing holy remains of the Second Christ, then not only Arlcight, not only Riru. Blade is screwed beyond any levels, if he isn't already.
After some thinking, Satan can't be the Second Christ.
Arclight and Blade have RRR, and Arclight had a RRR with the Second Christ, but Blade and Satan haven't had a RRR despite bumping heads twice.
How ever, I am not to sure Satan was a scientist, he didn't know who Blade was, and thought Blade was a imperfect clone, but if he was on the Adam Project he would known that was false. Since no one knew if Blade was actually was a perfect clone, that means all the data and no one else survived the explosion, meaning Satan couldn't have been a scientist. Also Gido did not recognize Satan in the memory world arc, meaning they couldn't have met yet.
Yet that doesn't leave us with many options, Satan saying "I created you that way..... I just altered the plans a bit when you were made" heavily points that Satan being one of the scientists. This could have happened later, but we need further explanation.
Thanks JS06! I appreciate your hard work getting those translations out as fast as you do!
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So with the entire translation present I want to explain myself a bit better about the left, right thing I mentioned before. We have Kasumi sitting in her wheelchair and we see she only has half a brain left, the left side. But in the flashback a scientist says Eveīs left brain is damaged. If Kasumiīs body was used to save Eve shouldnīt it have been her left side which would be missing? Iīm trying to figure out if Iīm making a mistake somewhere and am assuming too much at one point, but it seems really odd to me.
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Looking at the picture of Eve when she's incapacitated, there's quite a bit of blood coming from her right hand/forearm and the right side of her brain. I believe it's just an error in the writing. Or maybe we're supposed to think the scientist is stupid or messed up because of all the pressure? Either way, looks like the art is correct here
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After some thinking, Satan can't be the Second Christ.
Arclight and Blade have RRR, and Arclight had a RRR with the Second Christ, but Blade and Satan haven't had a RRR despite bumping heads twice.
How ever, I am not to sure Satan was a scientist, he didn't know who Blade was, and thought Blade was a imperfect clone, but if he was on the Adam Project he would known that was false. Since no one knew if Blade was actually was a perfect clone, that means all the data and no one else survived the explosion, meaning Satan couldn't have been a scientist. Also Gido did not recognize Satan in the memory world arc, meaning they couldn't have met yet.
Yet that doesn't leave us with many options, Satan saying "I created you that way..... I just altered the plans a bit when you were made" heavily points that Satan being one of the scientists. This could have happened later, but we need further explanation.
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Maybe Saten met Arclight after he was dumped in Blackspot and helped him recover to the point that he could survive as he was but altered him so that his eye and heart would never repair?
Yeah, trying to figure out where Saten fits into everything with that line about how he created Arclight doesn't make sense with Saten not knowing anything about Blade in the first part of the story and again when explaining Blade to Cruz.
Maybe he had his memories sealed or something and really is a scientist and Gido did that to him to prevent him from knowing the truth?
Also, in regards to Saten, I wonder how Aruka plays into all this. If she is buddy-buddies with Saten, then what does she know about Gido and Cruz? Maybe there's something going on with Mengroze, too.?
I think Saten might be some kind of anti-hero. Remember, in the bible the devil (Satan) was a 'fallen angel' that rebelled against god. Saten might be planning on stopping the other Angels (their leader -> God?) from invading this world.
A theory about Saten:
The second christ was a combination of a needless and a angel, but I think the human was in controll (remember Gido's speeach: 2 souls but 1 in control or a merge where one side has the upper hand).
666 then killed the second christ and then harvested the angel from the human body as well as some bodyparts. They gave the leftovers of the body to Simeon to start experimenting on it. Arclight ate this leftover (human) shell of the second christ.
666 then combined the angel and some bodyparts of the second christ with the original Saten (?) which resulted in this Saten. This time the Angel was the one in control of the soul for the most part. The Angel decided to work together with 666, since they had a common goal.
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So does Saten have all the stigmata Arclight had after 'eating' Arclight's heart? Since it seems that he uses flame in the final page, this might be true.
After thinking for some time, I think Saten doesn't have a byakugou. He bumped Blade's forehead twice and there wasn't a reverse rejection reaction. I don't really think that he's part of the Adam series too, since Saten called Gido Adam Z, so I don't think there's an Adam Y or something.
He still learned new fragments somehow. I guess he did it the same way Arclight did before, by eating needless (or parts of them).
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Also, in regards to Saten, I wonder how Aruka plays into all this. If she is buddy-buddies with Saten, then what does she know about Gido and Cruz? Maybe there's something going on with Mengroze, too.?[/spoiler]
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I'm expecting Mengroze to show up later, since we haven't seen the stigmata mark burned on his hand either.
So here begins the Saten questionnaire! Copy and paste it and answer.
1. Is Saten the Second Christ?
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2. Is Saten another Adam subject?
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3. Was he a scientist involved in the Adam Project?
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4. Could he be a experimental monster created by Triple Six?
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5. Why has Saten said he created Arclight?
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6. What is his relationship with Arca?
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7. Why has Saten eaten Arclight's heart?
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My answers:
Spoiler for spoiler:
1. Is Saten the Second Christ?
Answer: After thinking much, he can't be him. Blade clashed heads with Saten, yet there was no RRR.
2. Is Saten another Adam subject?
Answer: He just stated Gido is the Z subject because he was completed way before Blade & Arclight. Likewise, when Blade clashed his head with him he only learned one fragment and there was no RRR.
3. Was he a scientist involved in the Adam Project?
Answer: Clearly not. All the scientists except Gido died. Furthermore, Saten didn't even know about Blade in first place, an Gido from 10 years in the past didn't recognize him.
4. Could he be a experimental monster created by Triple Six?
Answer: Highly possible. Triple Six goes by the number 666, which is the number of the beast, the demon. And Saten has been working alongside them for a long time. Moreover, in the most recent chapter he opened up his stomach like a mouth.
5. Why has Saten said he created Arclight?
Answer: Probably because of an event that took place either before or after Arclight destroyed the facility.
6. What is his relationship with Arca?
Answer: Don't know.
7. Why has Saten eaten Arclight's heart?
Answer: To gain all his powers. Since he isn't a Adam clone he can't learn fragments by himself.
So here begins the Saten questionnaire! Copy and paste it and answer.
1. Is Saten the Second Christ?
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2. Is Saten another Adam subject?
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3. Was he a scientist involved in the Adam Project?
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4. Could he be a experimental monster created by Triple Six?
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5. Why has Saten said he created Arclight?
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6. What is his relationship with Arca?
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7. Why has Saten eaten Arclight's heart?
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Spoiler for answers:
1. Is Saten the Second Christ?
Answer: No, since the human body of the second christ died. Some bodyparts have been stolen and the remainder of the body was eaten by Arclight.
I do think that the Angel that was part of the second christ might be a part of Saten now though.
2. Is Saten another Adam subject?
Answer: I don't really think that he's part of the Adam series, since Saten called Gido Adam Z, so I don't think there's an Adam Y or something.
I think Saten doesn't have a byakugou either. He bumped Blade's forehead twice and there wasn't a reverse rejection reaction. (copied my previous post).
3. Was he a scientist involved in the Adam Project?
Answer: I don't think so. There's too much he didn't know about Blade/the adam project. Also, I think he's too young for that. Gido is an old man now.
4. Could he be a experimental monster created by Triple Six?
Answer: I think so. I think 666 combined the angel that had inhabited the second christ and some bodyparts of the second christ with the original Saten (?) which resulted in this Saten. The Angel is the one in control of the soul for the most part. The Angel decided to work together with 666, since they have a common goal.
Another hint is Saten's name and the name of the organisation he's in, 666. In the bible the devil (Satan) was a 'fallen angel' that rebelled against god. 666 is another symbol for the devil.
5. Why has Saten said he created Arclight?
Answer: I think Saten and 666 prepared the creation of Arclight step by step from the beginning. They needed a clone strong enough to gather the stigmata. The adam project was a project set up by 666 in order to master cloning, but also to gather the stigmata. They deliberately made Arclight incomplete, so that he wouldn't be able to become too strong when the time came to dispose of him.
I think Blade was originally the one that was supposed to have taken this role, since he was seen as the successful clone of the second christ and Arclight was seen as a failure, before he merged with the remains of the second christ.
6. What is his relationship with Arca?
Answer: I think both Arca and Cruz were created or at least modified by Saten/666 for a reason.
7. Why has Saten eaten Arclight's heart?
Answer: To gain all his stigmata (and other fragments). He doesn't have a byakugou, so he has to 'eat' his powers.
I think Saten did recognize Blade in the beginning. However if Saten used to be a scientist for Simeon quite a few years have past since he last saw Blade&Eve. And more importantly he would expect Blade to have both Doppleganger and Zero. Blade didn't have Doppleganger so Satan assumed he was a fake/imposter but seemingly there was still a bit of doubt in his mind since he lied to Arclight about knowing Blade's name. Of course Imai Kami isn't going to let Saten say "OMFG! Isn't that Adam Blade!?" right from the start. But he did give us another more subtle hint.
It wasn't untill chapter 20(page 20/21) Saten managed to figure it out. He had a sudden spark of insight and what did he do when he had this idea? He takes hold of Eve's chin and closely stares at her face....and is shocked! Afterwards he's "going easy on her" when smacking her. All of this is a good indication he knows her from the past. You don't go stare people in the face like that unless you try to recognize them. If he used to know Eve from way back when she was young it's only logical he had to take a good look at her. And to me that means he was a scientist working for Simeon and was looking for confirmence of his theory by trying to recognize her.
Btw. Saten apparently has Doppleganger so his true age is irrelevant. He can make himself look old, young and everything in between. His age has always been a secret and isn't mentioned in any character descriptions of him.
I'll support Deathscyther theory and say Saten is actually the angel who merged with the Second Christ and that Arclight thought was killed along with the host. According to him, because the 2nd Christ was human he could not become godlike. How come? Even if he was human, he still had the angel merged with his body, so Arclight should have become the same as one at that time... unless someone retrieved the angel, that is.
That Saten, what a bastard. He preserved Kurumi's body in order to gain her fragment, and now he has eaten Arclight's heart and gained all his stigmata and fragments, which explains his previous action throwing Seth and Solva at him. He's gained almost all the fragments. Now he won't need any help to lit his cigarrette.
And one more thing. Saten created Arclight... and is now creating Yamada/Cruz. I'm pretty sure you get what I mean with that.