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Old 2020-06-02, 05:36   Link #7041
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He used without problems for the first time the mortal flame of Ddraig, covering istanteanly an island to say. I would say for the plot.
In Thanatos fight he can't use it as his teammates will get caught by Draig's Blazing Inferno of Scorching Flames if he ever use it.In his fight with Trihexa core Sirzechs is the one who is with him and with Sirzechs strength and his True Form he will be fine but the same cannot be said to Issei's teammates who only have Ultimate class and Satan class strength.
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Old 2020-06-02, 05:38   Link #7042
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It's just recently since Isse acquired 2 consecutive powerups so no need to get powerup for the time being(Shin Volumes 3 & 4) . What he needs to do right now is train his base and gain mastery of his forms. The girls are the one who needs to powerup at the moment not Issei.
The problem is, that Ise never trained his base to his limit. Do you remember when Ise fought a middle class devil during the middle class promotion test? Ise destroyed the ground of the arena. Azzel stated, that Kiba, Akeno and Ise power is equal to high-class devil and that Ise power is ultimate class devil thanks triania and CXC . This was in before Ise got his new body. Ise base form has increase thanks to Ise new body and Ophis power which Ise has awakened.
If Ise base has reached ultimate class devil or satan class it is thanks to the power of GR which Ise has awakened. Ise base unfortunately never got stronger through regular training, but thanks the power which he awakened. Ise has not even use his dragonfication to train his base. CXC and Triania will never be complete just added two more power-up and Ise base form and his transformations will increase as result .
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Old 2020-06-02, 07:02   Link #7043
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In Thanatos fight he can't use it as his teammates will get caught by Draig's Blazing Inferno of Scorching Flames if he ever use it.In his fight with Trihexa core Sirzechs is the one who is with him and with Sirzechs strength and his True Form he will be fine but the same cannot be said to Issei's teammates who only have Ultimate class and Satan class strength.
That was not the point, i have not explained good. I mean that Issei has been able to use for the first time the Scorching flames easily, after an expensive fight with Apophis, firing flames as a true dragon (remembering that before he had to use boost and creat the fire inside the abdomen).

If he has been able to do easily such flames, there are not reason to not use the normal flames that are weaker and that could be very useful in more situations, being even more powerful than a dragon shot.

The only reason is the plot to find an explanation.

However issei trains his base every day, otherwise he would not be able to use CxC or DxD. His physical strength and resistance are incredible. Complain about his base is stupid, because Sairaorg needed a lot of years of training over the limits, doing only it to reach the high class.

It would be stupid see issei's base so strong only for the normal training in short time withtout valid reason.

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Old 2020-06-02, 08:29   Link #7044
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That was not the point, i have not explained good. I mean that Issei has been able to use for the first time the Scorching flames easily, after an expensive fight with Apophis, firing flames as a true dragon (remembering that before he had to use boost and creat the fire inside the abdomen).

If he has been able to do easily such flames, there are not reason to not use the normal flames that are weaker and that could be very useful in more situations, being even more powerful than a dragon shot.

The only reason is the plot to find an explanation.

However issei trains his base every day, otherwise he would not be able to use CxC or DxD. His physical strength and resistance are incredible. Complain about his base is stupid, because Sairaorg needed a lot of years of training over the limits, doing only it to reach the high class.

It would be stupid see issei's base so strong only for the normal training in short time withtout valid reason.
Sairorg was born with barelly any demonic power. Ise demonic power is under an infint,but thanks to his BosstedbGear and promotion he can increase his phyiscal ,magical or demonic power. Ise is a longionus user, so this make sense,that Ise base got stronger. When Ise fought a Middlle class devil in the middle class devil Test. Ise destroyed a part of the Arena. Azzel said,that Kiba,Akeno and Ise has power equal to a high-class devil. Ise power is ultimated class devil,because of his Trina and CXC. So which logical means,that Ise base was middle class devil even before Ise got a new Body from GR flesh. This is the different berween Ise and Saraiorg. Ise is weak in comparison,but his potential is beyond normal. Now that he awakend his entire potential it is natural,that CXC needs to achieved heavenly dragon class. DXD and AxA are giong to anove the heavenly dragon class.
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Old 2020-06-02, 08:32   Link #7045
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Sairorg was born with barelly any demonic power. Ise demonic power is under an infint,but thanks to his BosstedbGear and promotion he can increase his phyiscal ,magical or demonic power. Ise is a longionus user, so this make sense,that Ise base got stronger. When Ise fought a Middlle class devil in the middle class devil Test. Ise destroyed a part of the Arena. Azzel said,that Kiba,Akeno and Ise has power equal to a high-class devil. Ise power is ultimated class devil,because of his Trina and CXC. So which logical means,that Ise base was middle class devil even before Ise got a new Body from GR flesh. This is the different berween Ise and Saraiorg. Ise is weak in comparison,but his potential is beyond normal. Now that he awakend his entire potential it is natural,that CXC needs to achieved heavenly dragon class. DXD and AxA are giong to anove the heavenly dragon class.
Iíve read the story, it useless say things that everyone know. Furthermore the topic is ďisseiís baseĒ, so is irrelevant all the discussion about CxC and Traina now. The potential of issei is irrelevant here when I was speaking of his base.
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Old 2020-06-02, 09:07   Link #7046
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Sairorg was born with barelly any demonic power. Ise demonic power is under an infint,but thanks to his BosstedbGear and promotion he can increase his phyiscal ,magical or demonic power. Ise is a longionus user, so this make sense,that Ise base got stronger. When Ise fought a Middlle class devil in the middle class devil Test. Ise destroyed a part of the Arena. Azzel said,that Kiba,Akeno and Ise has power equal to a high-class devil. Ise power is ultimated class devil,because of his Trina and CXC. So which logical means,that Ise base was middle class devil even before Ise got a new Body from GR flesh. This is the different berween Ise and Saraiorg. Ise is weak in comparison,but his potential is beyond normal. Now that he awakend his entire potential it is natural,that CXC needs to achieved heavenly dragon class. DXD and AxA are giong to anove the heavenly dragon class.
i feel the need to remind you that issei was only dodging during his battle in the promotion test until he got his balance breaker. on the rest i agree that issei should have much better progress since he is made of great red flesh so him gaining strength quicker shouldn't be a surprise
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Old 2020-06-02, 09:14   Link #7047
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Iíve read the story, it useless say things that everyone know. Furthermore the topic is ďisseiís baseĒ, so is irrelevant all the discussion about CxC and Traina now. The potential of issei is irrelevant here when I was speaking of his base.
Sorry but you cannot take bis Trinia and CXC out of the discussion. Ise base got stronger through these forms. Sure it would not make lot of sense,that Ise base form would reached Sairorg level without an valid reason. The pont that you mentioned make sense.
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Old 2020-06-02, 09:18   Link #7048
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i feel the need to remind you that issei was only dodging during his battle in the promotion test until he got his balance breaker. on the rest i agree that issei should have much better progress since he is made of great red flesh so him gaining strength quicker shouldn't be a surprise
Yes I know this ;but even without GR flesh he could reached middle class devil. Rias said to Ise not to pickt a fight with a middle class devil. I am not talking that Ise should be a god class in base form,but his base strength should be stronger .
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Old 2020-06-02, 10:27   Link #7049
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Sorry but you cannot take bis Trinia and CXC out of the discussion. Ise base got stronger through these forms. Sure it would not make lot of sense,that Ise base form would reached Sairorg level without an valid reason. The pont that you mentioned make sense.
How Traiana and CxC has increased Issei's base? They are only a momentanely power up that increase his normal strenght, nothing of normal.

His base is irrilevant
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Old 2020-06-02, 10:42   Link #7050
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How Traiana and CxC has increased Issei's base? They are only a momentanely power up that increase his normal strenght, nothing of normal.

His base is irrilevant
Well when Ise was reincarned into a devil his power was that of low class devil. When his BXB was high-class devil and thanks to Trinia and CXC his power reached ultimated class devil.
When his BxB increase his power to the next level than this mens that when his base form which was low class devil has reached middle class devil . This was the same when Ise awakened Ophis power his base reached high class devil . True DXD mode reached ultimated class devil or even Satan class .
This relevant,because Ise has reached always the next level when Ise awakend a new power.
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Old 2020-06-02, 11:06   Link #7051
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Well when Ise was reincarned into a devil his power was that of low class devil. When his BXB was high-class devil and thanks to Trinia and CXC his power reached ultimated class devil.
When his BxB increase his power to the next level than this mens that when his base form which was low class devil has reached middle class devil . This was the same when Ise awakened Ophis power his base reached high class devil . True DXD mode reached ultimated class devil or even Satan class .
This relevant,because Ise has reached always the next level when Ise awakend a new power.
Thank you for the explanation, really I did not know the story. Yes, very relevant when the topic is isse’s base that except for DxD form, his base has not received an increase of power. As for CxC and Traina are irrelevant for his base because they have not gived an increase of his base.

Because after CxC and Traina, issei’s base was always the same
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Old 2020-06-02, 12:12   Link #7052
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His base will obviously have a tremendous improvement as he unlocks his body(which is his base) which is made of Great Red's flesh so it will not be surprising if Issei achieved Ultimate class or Satan class in his base.
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Old 2020-06-02, 12:37   Link #7053
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Well Ddragi said that Ise has now the Aura of transcendent being. We will to wait until the next chapter is relased.
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Old 2020-06-02, 12:43   Link #7054
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Thank you for the explanation, really I did not know the story. Yes, very relevant when the topic is isseís base that except for DxD form, his base has not received an increase of power. As for CxC and Traina are irrelevant for his base because they have not gived an increase of his base.

Because after CxC and Traina, isseiís base was always the same
Well if Trinia and CXC did not Buff Ise base form. How did Ise reached high-class when he unlock his original DXD mode. His CXC went from ultimated class devil to the next level which is Satan class. If Ise base form was that of low class devil.
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Old 2020-06-02, 13:43   Link #7055
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Well if Trinia and CXC did not Buff Ise base form. How did Ise reached high-class when he unlock his original DXD mode. His CXC went from ultimated class devil to the next level which is Satan class. If Ise base form was that of low class devil.
Low class? Just a post ago you said that his base was middle class when he obtained BxB. However, the only increase obtained with a Form has been DxD, for the rest nothing. As for the fact that issei trains every day his base.
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Old 2020-06-02, 13:56   Link #7056
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Low class? Just a post ago you said that his base was middle class when he obtained BxB. However, the only increase obtained with a Form has been DxD, for the rest nothing. As for the fact that issei trains every day his base.
Now said,that his Trinia and CXC has increase his base form,but you disagree with my comment. So if you disagree with my opinion how does Ise base form increase to high-clas,when his base form was than low class devil . I stated,that Trinia and CXC increase his base form to middle class devil.
Yes Ise is Training everyday this is a fact.

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Old 2020-06-02, 17:30   Link #7057
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Issei don't think he's ultimate on base now, most likely a high-class starter riser
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Old 2020-06-02, 18:12   Link #7058
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Issei don't think he's ultimate on base now, most likely a high-class starter riser
Issei's base strength in Shin high school volume 1 if I'm not mistaken is already high class and now that he unlocks his body which is made of Great Red's flesh so for sure there will be tremendous improvement in his base strength so at the very least his base should improve to Ultimate class-Satan class.
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Old 2020-06-02, 19:25   Link #7059
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It's really pointless talking about how strong his base is. What is his base exactly? Him not using Boosted Gear at all? Using Boosted Gear in its base state? Using the Boosted Gear Scalemail?

Issei is going to at least be in his Balance Breaker. And he barely uses that in favor of CCQ. He's not going to fight with just his base state Boosted Gear like he did before he achieved Balance Breaker in Volume 5 or he had to do in Volume 14. He's way beyond that at this point.

And no one is going to wait for Issei to boost until he's strong enough to beat them.
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Old 2020-06-02, 19:55   Link #7060
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Issei's base strength in Shin high school volume 1 if I'm not mistaken is already high class and now that he unlocks his body which is made of Great Red's flesh so for sure there will be tremendous improvement in his base strength so at the very least his base should improve to Ultimate class-Satan class.
I meant that issei was a high class close to ultimate, but not yet ultimate ... as well as the difference between riser volume 2 and rias volume 2, both were high class but riser was stronger.

and issei in his ultimate class balance breaker close to satan.
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