2013-04-09, 16:16 | Link #321 | |
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So I like your reasoning for wanting to view Oriko Magica as part of of the same canon as the anime is. I'd probably even share it myself if I was a big Kamen Rider Ryuki fan.
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2013-04-09, 19:18 | Link #322 | |||
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We have nowhere near enough information to know what sets Oriko-the-Madoka-killer into motion, but the factors we DO know of are present in every timeline that comes AFTER that one, so logic, reason, and common sense tell us that Homura has to take some sort of preventive measure.
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2013-04-10, 03:23 | Link #323 | |
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Considering that Oriko can use her powers in combat against other magical girls, why would there even be any sort of "cutoff point"? And Gretchen is pretty much always a huge threat anyway, given that Madoka never loses to Walpurgisnacht (she doesn't make it out in good shape, but she never dies before WPN). It's not really explained how big a threat earlier Gretchens are, but I don't recall Oriko even needing any specific "cutoff" point like "must destroy the world in under X number of days".
We do know that Oriko Magica had at least one or two previous timelines where Gretchen appears before the main story, yet Oriko never took action. And Oriko does have dialogue that goes "Then you can understand this right? In order to avoid the end and save the world, Kaname Madoka will be eliminated". Homura's reaction amounted to "not gonna let you do that", but she didn't deny that Madoka's witch is a world-level threat. I realize I'm mainly going by "since she doesn't sound surprised, she probably knows it's true", but it's not like Gretchen wasn't always a huge, (near-)apocalyptic threat. That, and if Oriko's father doesn't die because Madoka saves him somehow, then Homura can easily do the same thing, since her loops tend to start before Madoka makes a contract. Quote:
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2013-04-10, 10:03 | Link #324 |
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iirc, the mahou shoujo who is in her 20s 30s, does not always become a witch and it is very likely she is not madoka's teacher, so homura might not be related to her becoming a witch (but then again she might go to her and cheer her up or something so she does not become a witch).
more relevant stuff in the spoiler. Spoiler for for madoka , kazumi and oriko:
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Regardless, it doesn't matter whether or not Madoka can beat Walpurgisnacht; in the first timeline Mami's already softened it up and in the second timeline she had Homura's help. :P One of the few facts we have is that Oriko does not threaten Madoka until after the 4th timeline, where she is confirmed as being capable of destroying the world in 10 days. If Madoka's power is growing, so is her witch form. Quote:
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2013-04-10, 18:16 | Link #326 |
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Yeah, that's the trope for it but the mechanics are nto set in stone, at least not until the new madoka series get made so we still don't know what will really happen, especially considering what happens in the third movie.
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2013-04-11, 00:22 | Link #327 |
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I don't think it really matters what the third movie says on the subject; Oriko and Kazumi are both written pre-Madokami. Even if witches return in the third movie, it's different from "Witches have always existed and most Magical Girls learn they will inevitably become one."
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2013-04-11, 11:42 | Link #329 |
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...meaning that at the time that the two series 'take place', the wish Madoka made hadn't 'happened' yet, within the continuity of the series, meaning that from the perspective of the characters, witches hadn't yet started to 'have never existed'.
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I doubt it's even related to Madoka or Homura. There's no indication he died after a given loop's starting point. |
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