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Renegade334 · 2011-05-02, 06:49

The good ending was the last part of ep.26, where Shinji learns to break his shell and is accepted by everyone else. Though metaphorical it may be, it's still the next best thing to a happy denouement you'll ever be rewarded with.

NGE was not IMHO ever meant to end well, since the main theme is the quest for oneself through the destruction of the world...both on the inside and the outside.

Not to mention that NGE is not like all other shounen series where the main character gets all gar and seizes salvation with both hands - rather, it just proves the opposite: that when sh*t happens, sometimes, you just can't get back up, because the entire world is out to drive you into your own grave.

NeoFireHawk · 2011-05-02, 12:56

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Originally Posted by konart

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I wouldn't have high hopes for that if I were you. Remember how big of a Rei fanboy Sadamoto is and if something, I personally expect a far crueler ending for her than the one we saw in EoE. Of course that he can always surprise us but considering how little development Asuka got in the manga that would look pretty unnatural, if you ask me.

Used Can · 2011-05-02, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Its not like Sadamoto's manga is very deep to begin with. Certainly falls short compared to anime in those terms, so Happy ending would not be so out of the place, really.

It definitely lacks Anno's continuous psychoanalysis of the characters, but when it comes down to development, the manga still goes on ups and downs just like the anime did. Perhaps, Shinji is slightly more ballsy and Rei is slightly more "human," but other than that, I think it's rather the same in terms of development. In fact, I really liked how Sadamoto developed some characters the anime didn't develop as much like Touji and especially Kaji. In addition, I think the manga has had some sadder aspects than those in the anime. Like for example, Touji piloted the EVA-03 in both stories, but in the anime he survived (although, under poor conditions); in the manga, on the other hand, he got killed. Moreover, when it comes down to NERV's/Gendou's and SEELE's plans, it's still the same thing.

So, I really, really cannot see a perfect end with the heroes beating all the bad guys and achieving a perfect end. If you ask me, that simply doesn't work with Eva.

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Originally Posted by Renegade334

Not to mention that NGE is not like all other shounen series where the main character gets all gar and seizes salvation with both hands - rather, it just proves the opposite: that when sh*t happens, sometimes, you just can't get back up, because the entire world is out to drive you into your own grave.

Also, remember, the time Shinji went badass in Rebuild, he pretty much fucked the world over (and he said he didn't even care) by triggering the 3rd Impact.

NeoFireHawk · 2011-05-02, 22:32

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Originally Posted by Used Can

So, I really, really cannot see a perfect end with the heroes beating all the bad guys and achieving a perfect end. If you ask me, that simply doesn't work with Eva.

Who exactly are the bad guys in Evangelion, if I may ask?

Darknemo2000 · 2011-05-03, 03:15

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Originally Posted by Used Can

It definitely lacks Anno's continuous psychoanalysis of the characters, but when it comes down to development, the manga still goes on ups and downs just like the anime did. Perhaps, Shinji is slightly more ballsy and Rei is slightly more "human," but other than that, I think it's rather the same in terms of development. In fact, I really liked how Sadamoto developed some characters the anime didn't develop as much like Touji and especially Kaji. In addition, I think the manga has had some sadder aspects than those in the anime. Like for example, Touji piloted the EVA-03 in both stories, but in the anime he survived (although, under poor conditions); in the manga, on the other hand, he got killed. Moreover, when it comes down to NERV's/Gendou's and SEELE's plans, it's still the same thing.

Oh I agree about Touji and Kaji. But he also screwed up Asuka's character making her very shallow in the series, compared to her anime original. But I would take Sadamoto's Kaji over anime Kaji anytime, his Asuka though sucks.

yezhanquan · 2011-05-03, 03:34

Well, you win some, you lose some. For me, the manga is just to see Sadamoto's art in action. Still have a weak spot for his art after so long.

Used Can · 2011-05-03, 06:48

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Originally Posted by NeoFireHawk

Who exactly are the bad guys in Evangelion, if I may ask?

I'm sure most people would say Gendou and everyone else in SEELE, since all of them are the ones puppeteering the events toward Instrumentality.

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Oh I agree about Touji and Kaji. But he also screwed up Asuka's character making her very shallow in the series, compared to her anime original. But I would take Sadamoto's Kaji over anime Kaji anytime, his Asuka though sucks.

I agree his Asuka sucks, but well, it's the same in Rebuild.
Either way, my point is no version of Eva has had an idealistic type development. And thus, in my opinion, a good end simply wouldn't work.

linkinstreet · 2011-05-30, 05:50

Just got my copy of Young Jump yesterday.

Spoiler:

Can't wait for next month

Vicious108 · 2011-05-30, 12:47

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Originally Posted by Used Can

I agree his Asuka sucks, but well, it's the same in Rebuild.

"It's the same in Rebuild" doesn't really excuse anything, when Rebuild is where the Eva characters are at their absolute worse.

Anyway, this last chapter was interesting, but I wonder what'll happen with Asuka's psyche now that she's been saved and beaten once again by Shinji-sama. Well, knowing Sadamoto, probably nothing.

Darknemo2000 · 2011-05-30, 21:12

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Originally Posted by Endless Twilight

Anyway, this last chapter was interesting, but I wonder what'll happen with Asuka's psyche now that she's been saved and beaten once again by Shinji-sama. Well, knowing Sadamoto, probably nothing.

For some retardedly sudden reason she goes into life-long coma (like some random lance hitting her or super revival of super trauma) which allows us to focus on Shinji and Rei. Sadamoto already showed that he dont like Asuka as a character and wont focus on her more than necessarily and wont bother making it complex to remove her from the active characters list. It will be abrupt and shallow, just like Asuka's character.

Renegade334 · 2011-08-03, 06:15

Just read ch.85:

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MAX_COLA_POWER! · 2011-08-03, 14:44

Soooooo, no everyone dying in happiness juice yet?

konart · 2011-08-03, 15:09

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Originally Posted by MAX_COLA_POWER!

Soooooo, no everyone dying in happiness juice yet?

you. just. wait.

ridgezipline · 2011-08-10, 18:25

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Originally Posted by Renegade334

Just read ch.85:

Spoiler:

perhaps im one of those few who prefer the manga over the anime ._. 1) the main char isnt as emo 2) the anime is too dogmatic for my taste

question: is eva currently on hiatus? >_<

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2011-08-11, 01:09

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Originally Posted by ridgezipline

perhaps im one of those few who prefer the manga over the anime ._. 1) the main char isnt as emo 2) the anime is too dogmatic for my taste

You're (not) alone, buddy

. Oh yeah, tell me when the manga is over, okay

. I've been sick waiting individual chapters for the ending

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Renegade334 · 2011-08-11, 05:43

The series is not on hiatus but Yoshiyuki Sadamoto (who's also reputed for being slow) happens to be working on the next Rebuild of Evangelion movie (animation + art + other GAINAX material) and he just took a break from RoE to draw ch.85. I'm not sure whether there'll be a new chapter next month, though...he might have gone back to Studio Khara to resume work on RoE 3.0.

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2011-08-11, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Renegade334

The series is not on hiatus but Yoshiyuki Sadamoto (who's also reputed for being slow) happens to be working on the next Rebuild of Evangelion movie (animation + art + other GAINAX material) and he just took a break from RoE to draw ch.85. I'm not sure whether there'll be a new chapter next month, though...he might have gone back to Studio Khara to resume work on RoE 3.0.

That's a good excuse from him.

ridgezipline · 2011-11-17, 13:28

*bump on this thread*

87/88 is out wohoo~

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MAX_COLA_POWER! · 2011-11-17, 13:59

Hmm, based on my knowledge of the EoE movie, we may be getting everyone turning into happiness LCL goo in 1-2 chapters, 3 chapters max^^. Can't wait for that.

jonli · 2011-11-17, 17:41

I really hope we don't get the LCL ending again. We've seen it happen already, and since Sadamoto is taking the manga is a slightly different direction, I really don't want it again.

It's not that I didn't like EoE, it's just why would he take so many years to write the story and reinterpret it in his own vision just to set up the same conclusion?

2011-05-02, 06:49	Link #61
Renegade334 Sleepy Lurker Graphic Designer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nun'yabiznehz Age: 38	The good ending was the last part of ep.26, where Shinji learns to break his shell and is accepted by everyone else. Though metaphorical it may be, it's still the next best thing to a happy denouement you'll ever be rewarded with. NGE was not IMHO ever meant to end well, since the main theme is the quest for oneself through the destruction of the world...both on the inside and the outside. Not to mention that NGE is not like all other shounen series where the main character gets all gar and seizes salvation with both hands - rather, it just proves the opposite: that when sht happens, sometimes, you just can't get back up, because the entire world is out to drive you into your own grave. __________________ << -- Click to enter my (dead) GFX thread. Last edited by Renegade334; 2011-05-02 at 07:06.*

2011-05-03, 03:34	Link #66
yezhanquan Observer/Bookman wannabe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 38	Well, you win some, you lose some. For me, the manga is just to see Sadamoto's art in action. Still have a weak spot for his art after so long. __________________

2011-05-30, 05:50	Link #68
linkinstreet [Your] clan on Steam Join Date: Sep 2007	Just got my copy of Young Jump yesterday. Spoiler: Was quite surprised to see that Shinji went to save Asuka from the Eva Series. Grown a bit of backbone. Can't wait for next month

2011-08-03, 06:15	Link #71
Renegade334 Sleepy Lurker Graphic Designer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nun'yabiznehz Age: 38	Just read ch.85: Spoiler: - Asuka has a dere moment with Shinji during a lull... - ...just before the MP Evas clamber back to their feet and start regenerating (one even fuses its severed arm back into place). - Ritsuko Akagi continues to confront Gendo & Rei but, as in the movie, the MAGI thwart her attempt to blow up the Geofront. - BANG. 'Nuff said. - Rei just looks on. - The flock then swoops onto both Unit 01 & 02, swords at the ready. - Shinji uses Unit 01's body to cover Unit 02 and save her from being impaled. - 2.22 reference? Shinji coats his right arm with an AT Field and flings an MP Eva back. - Chapter ends with Shinji impaling an MP Eva, in the throes of rage (think Zeruel confrontation rage). __________________ << -- Click to enter my (dead) GFX thread.

2011-08-11, 05:43	Link #76
Renegade334 Sleepy Lurker Graphic Designer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nun'yabiznehz Age: 38	The series is not on hiatus but Yoshiyuki Sadamoto (who's also reputed for being slow) happens to be working on the next Rebuild of Evangelion movie (animation + art + other GAINAX material) and he just took a break from RoE to draw ch.85. I'm not sure whether there'll be a new chapter next month, though...he might have gone back to Studio Khara to resume work on RoE 3.0. __________________ << -- Click to enter my (dead) GFX thread.

2011-08-03, 14:44	Link #72
MAX_COLA_POWER! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Puerto Rico	Soooooo, no everyone dying in happiness juice yet?

2011-11-17, 13:28	Link #78
ridgezipline Member Join Date: Mar 2010	bump on this thread 87/88 is out wohoo~ Spoiler: i really like the shinji's fight scene. plus we get to see rei again ^_^

2011-11-17, 13:59	Link #79
MAX_COLA_POWER! Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Puerto Rico	Hmm, based on my knowledge of the EoE movie, we may be getting everyone turning into happiness LCL goo in 1-2 chapters, 3 chapters max^^. Can't wait for that.

2011-11-17, 17:41	Link #80
jonli JONLIの憂' Join Date: Apr 2004	I really hope we don't get the LCL ending again. We've seen it happen already, and since Sadamoto is taking the manga is a slightly different direction, I really don't want it again. It's not that I didn't like EoE, it's just why would he take so many years to write the story and reinterpret it in his own vision just to set up the same conclusion?