2012-05-05, 22:49 | Link #1541 | |
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It's this thing I was talking about (but I think I forgot to mention that initially... heh) that failed. This was her 'plan,' which required the murders to work. And if Eva did inherit the ring and the headship, then it could only be because she solved the epitaph. Solving the Epitaph means Beatrice's plan to use the Epitaph as a spell to release Shannon and Kanon must have failed at some point. |
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2012-05-23, 13:42 | Link #1544 | |
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Or maybe you are asking why did nobody tell him so? If that's so, Rudolf was the only one (apart a bribed doctor or two) who knew. He didn't tell because he wanted everyone to believe Battler was Asumu's son so he could marry Asumu without any problem and make the three of them live like a happy family. After Asumu died he didn't have the guts to tell the truth until the family meeting of 1986
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2012-05-23, 18:07 | Link #1545 | |
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2012-05-23, 19:34 | Link #1546 |
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According to Kyrie in EP3, Rudolf married Asumu because he had no other choice since Asumu gave birth to a child while she didn't. In other words Kyrie believed that Rudolf was forced to marry Asumu because of that child and she makes a point that she would have been married instead of Asumu if the roles were swapped. Of course she was totally wrong, but as much as her "love" made her see things that don't exist, even her couldn't believe that if Asumu was already married with Rudolf.
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2012-05-23, 22:16 | Link #1547 |
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It's also mentioned that while they got pregnant at about the same time, Asumu announced it IMMEDIATELY, and Rudolf, probably feeling pressured, moved her into his family register. Kyrie only discovered her pregnancy after that ... and when Asumu had the stillbirth, found it LESS AWKWARD to swap the babies, than immediately change wives.
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2012-05-24, 10:17 | Link #1548 | |
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If we knew, well, anything at all about Asumu and why she might have made him catch hell for it had she known (or had she been dumped), maybe it would go over better overall. Kyrie certainly did enough implying that Asumu was more clever than she acted. I mean, had Asumu pretty much been planning to ruin Rudolf if he didn't stick with her, maybe his desperation would make more sense.
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2012-05-24, 11:52 | Link #1550 |
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but Asumu isn't a Sumadera. She can't be because Kyrie believes that Battler isn't blood related to her. Actually I don't think we ever learned what Asumu's maiden name was.
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2012-05-24, 16:54 | Link #1554 | |
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Though this sounds pretty different from how Battler saw his mother... so, even though it's possible Battler's opinion is biased I'm not really sure how much scary could be Asumu... |
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2012-05-24, 18:05 | Link #1555 | |
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I see no reason to assume Asumu was doing anything beyond, I dunno ... regular "put a ring on it" badgering? She seems to have been a good mom, and it's not like the other relatives have anything bad to say about her (though they might just be respectful of her dead-ness, or Ryukishi banished her to the same realm as Kinzo's poor UNNAMED wife). ... ... honestly though I think Ryu just didn't think too hard about it at the beginning. One supposed, for Rudolf, he was fine having a legitimate child and a little illegitimate one off to the side ... but having JUST the child off to the side would've been ...awkward? Yeah, it should have been elaborated a bit. Geez, now I'm thinking both babies should have lived (but STILL switched, because lolRudolf or something) , and in 1998 Ange would be hunted down by an angry, bitter Battler Sumadera who'd been raised by Kasumi for reasons I can't think of yet. |
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2012-05-25, 05:45 | Link #1556 |
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The impression I got was that Rudolf really did love Asumu more, and that's probably why he did the switch. It's possible that he would have felt obligated to divorce Asumu and marry Kyrie if Kyrie was the one keeping the living baby.
But there's no way around it, switching the babies makes Rudolf a scumbag. And he definitely knew it, too. It would have been an interesting angle for Ryukishi to have explored: we know he was too frightened of Kyrie to tell the truth, but how guilty did Rudolf feel, all those years? Or did he not feel guilty? I wonder if he thought at the time something like "Kyrie is so tough that she can overcome this, but Asumu will be shattered if she loses her baby..." or if it was more along the lines of "I want to live with Asumu and the baby as a happy family". Not that either of those makes him look good. Hell, maybe the true reason for the Rokkenjima incident was that Rudolf did tell Kyrie the truth, and she took it even worse that he thought. It could seriously have sparked the whole thing. |
2012-05-25, 10:17 | Link #1557 |
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Honestly, we know very little about Battler's relationship with Asumu. We get a few hints/jokes about their vehicle phobia and he was clearly pretty close to her in some fashion given his reaction to Rudolf remarrying, but she gets no flashbacks or anything and she probably should have. It's hard for us to even understand Battler's anger when his mother is such an ephemeral figure.
I felt the same way about Kinzo's wife. Remember her? Yeah, she doesn't ever come up much, does she. We know she thought he was up to something. What did she find out? How much did she know, and how much was unconfirmed paranoia? It would've been kinda neat to know. Or at least to know her name or something. Asumu's family name as well. It doesn't appear that those were shocking secrets or anything.
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2012-05-25, 14:22 | Link #1558 | |
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As for Kinzo's wife...Ah, well, she's probably the most wronged character in Umineko, the poor thing doesn't even get a name, is low in rank, and gets cheated on CONSTANTLY. Though to be fair, she was forced on him, so Kinzo didn't have any obligation to love her, but at least have a little respect for your own wife, man. I mean, Kinzo's adultery always seems to be treated as a very light sin (well, he has much much worse ones in his records, so let's not sweat the tiny details...).
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2012-05-25, 15:22 | Link #1560 | |
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Kinzo forces his children to "suffer" the same thing he did. Even though he seems like someone who would want "true love" to prosper, he instead arrange marriages on business value. I assume Asumu's family must have been powerful, and we know the Sumaderas are. Rudolf was lucky and was able to have both. His older siblings learned to love what they have, and they do love what they have.
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