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monster · 2012-04-17, 00:46

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Originally Posted by Vexx

What does the "RT" stand for? As an engineer and software developer.... "RT" has a rather specific meaning. Blundering around the blogs/news wasn't enlightening, more like apparently a lot of devs have the same question.

RT in "Windows RT" probably doesn't stand for anything. However, it likely inherited the name from WinRT, where RT does stand for RunTime.

From the announcement:

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For new apps, the focus for Windows RT is development on the new Windows runtime, or WinRT, which we unveiled in September and forms the foundation of a new generation of cloud-enabled, touch-enabled, web-connected apps of all kinds.

Vexx · 2012-04-17, 01:00

"runtime" ... ... ... ehhhhhh, ok. Now I get to go retrieve my eyeballs that rolled off in the corner....

Marketeers... you just can't kill them fast enough

synaesthetic · 2012-04-17, 05:20

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Originally Posted by Vexx

"runtime" ... ... ... ehhhhhh, ok. Now I get to go retrieve my eyeballs that rolled off in the corner....

Marketeers... you just can't kill them fast enough

Trying to compete with the iPad is making Microsoft stupid.

monster · 2012-04-17, 09:37

Eh, does it really matter? And besides, they've done it before: NT, CE, XP. (ME doesn't count since the Millennium Edition name was kept.)

Vexx · 2012-04-17, 13:53

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Originally Posted by monster

Eh, does it really matter? And besides, they've done it before: NT, CE, XP. (ME doesn't count since the Millennium Edition name was kept.)

Those were equally funny but they didn't have pre-existing common use in computing and engineering. NT was supposedly New Technology, CE was Compact Edition and XP was pure marketeer nonsense (XP= experience) of the "U-tot-em" or "In-N-out" variety.

Talk to an engineer or computer science and the first answer you'll usually get is RT = "Real Time", a specific term that doesn't really apply here.

OTOH... there WAS an IBM computer back in the 1980s that called itself an "RT" -- the IBM RT PC. In that case, they were trying to use RT for RISC Technology, but they dropped the acronym (and the computer) rather quickly.

Dhomochevsky · 2012-04-17, 17:37

While there exist 'Real Time' OS out there, which usually have some special kind of sceduling, I don't believe that the new Windows is one of those.

The last thing I know is Windows was still using a 20-120ms round-robin scheduler. Did they change that in newer versions?

Vexx · 2012-04-17, 18:04

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Originally Posted by Dhomochevsky

While there exist 'Real Time' OS out there, which usually have some special kind of sceduling, I don't believe that the new Windows is one of those.

The last thing I know is Windows was still using a 20-120ms round-robin scheduler. Did they change that in newer versions?

The underlying core hasn't changed in eons... MS systems are a general purpose OS with round robin scheduling even for UI "on event" instances. There's nothing wrong with that (other than occasionally MS tries to sell the OS for use as an RTOS when it isn't).

Here's a list of actual realtime OSes (some of which are "extinct"

):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rating_systems

monster · 2012-04-17, 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexx

Those were equally funny but they didn't have pre-existing common use in computing and engineering. NT was supposedly New Technology, CE was Compact Edition and XP was pure marketeer nonsense (XP= experience) of the "U-tot-em" or "In-N-out" variety.

Talk to an engineer or computer science and the first answer you'll usually get is RT = "Real Time", a specific term that doesn't really apply here.

Oh, I understand that. But, since it has a user base beyond the field of engineering and computer science, I think Windows should get a pass if it doesn't always have a name that follows some abbreviation convention.

In the end, it's a marketing name to differentiate it from Windows 8, no more and no less. (It doesn't mean it's a good name, but that's another story and not just because it already has a common use elsewhere.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dhomochevsky

While there exist 'Real Time' OS out there, which usually have some special kind of sceduling, I don't believe that the new Windows is one of those.

The last thing I know is Windows was still using a 20-120ms round-robin scheduler. Did they change that in newer versions?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexx

The underlying core hasn't changed in eons... MS systems are a general purpose OS with round robin scheduling even for UI "on event" instances. There's nothing wrong with that (other than occasionally MS tries to sell the OS for use as an RTOS when it isn't).

Here's a list of actual realtime OSes (some of which are "extinct"

):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rating_systems

Apparently, according to that list, Windows CE is Mircosoft's real time OS.

synaesthetic · 2012-04-17, 22:40

Why didn't they just use the damn internal name for WOA? Windows Azure was fine!

monster · 2012-04-17, 23:59

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

Why didn't they just use the damn internal name for WOA? Windows Azure was fine!

I'm not sure I understand. Windows Azure is Microsoft's "cloud" operating system. It doesn't have anything to do with WOA, Windows on ARM.

And yes, Windows Azure is the official name and it's been operating since at least last year, if not two years ago.

Hollowend · 2012-05-04, 19:32

I don't know if anyone knows this, but the new windows won't have Media player or DVD playback.

monster · 2012-05-04, 19:40

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Originally Posted by Hollowend

I don't know if anyone knows this, but the new windows won't have Media player or DVD playback.

Windows 8 will have Media Player. Media Center and DVD playback will not be available by default, but people will be able to purchase an add-on pack from within Windows to get them.

Of course, for the vast majority of Windows 8 consumers, it won't really matter since they don't use Media Center and PC makers will bundle third-party DVD (and even BD) playback solutions where applicable.

RRW · 2012-05-31, 16:29

question. does W8 have search bar to find application?

i am fine with removing start menu as long they allow me to find app like Photoshop or control panel.

dont tell me you need full screen metro to use it

Random32 · 2012-05-31, 17:04

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Originally Posted by RRW

question. does W8 have search bar to find application?

i am fine with removing start menu as long they allow me to find app like Photoshop or control panel.

dont tell me you need full screen metro to use it

Search is built into the Start Screen so its Metro. Works pretty much the same way as it used to in the Start Menu, but it's all Metro-ish. Though, if you just hit windows key, type, and hit enter, it doesn't really change anything. For actually searching and looking for things, it really depends, I generally find it an improvement if you utilize all the keyboard shortcuts.

RRW · 2012-05-31, 17:53

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Originally Posted by Random32

Search is built into the Start Screen so its Metro. Works pretty much the same way as it used to in the Start Menu, but it's all Metro-ish. Though, if you just hit windows key, type, and hit enter, it doesn't really change anything. For actually searching and looking for things, it really depends, I generally find it an improvement if you utilize all the keyboard shortcuts.

if only there is way to make metro smaller/not full screen. that basically what i hate from W8 now

Random32 · 2012-05-31, 18:56

Why would you care about the start screen going fullscreen?

Uses for start search function:
-Launch application. You hit the Windows key and type in the name, then hit enter. If its an application you launch regularly, it's practically muscle memory. The Metro Start Screen changes nothing in this regard.
-To search for a less often used application. You hit the Windows key and type something like what you are looking for. Look through results for what you want. I think that the Metro Start Screen is an improvement. It's organized in a way that I think makes finding stuff easier. The hotkeys for Control Panel items/etc means less keystrokes between searching and getting to the desired result.

After using it for a while, I think the Start Screen is a small but definite improvement over the Start Menu.

synaesthetic · 2012-05-31, 18:57

Because when it goes fullscreen it blocks fucking everything.

Random32 · 2012-05-31, 19:00

Do you need to see something that is blocking when you are using it?

synaesthetic · 2012-05-31, 21:08

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Originally Posted by Random32

Do you need to see something that is blocking when you are using it?

Yeah actually, I do. I often open the startmenu in W7 to launch a program when I have several windows open that I'm currently working in.

The shift away from a tiled window environment to a fullscreen "app" environment is stupid, and Microsoft is stupid and should be ashamed.

Random32 · 2012-05-31, 21:59

You launch the application, provided its not one of those dumb metro apps, it puts you back to desktop. Unless you have to look at an application while you are launching another application.

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2012-04-17, 09:37	Link #124
monster Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Eh, does it really matter? And besides, they've done it before: NT, CE, XP. (ME doesn't count since the Millennium Edition name was kept.)

2012-04-17, 17:37	Link #126
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	While there exist 'Real Time' OS out there, which usually have some special kind of sceduling, I don't believe that the new Windows is one of those. The last thing I know is Windows was still using a 20-120ms round-robin scheduler. Did they change that in newer versions?

2012-05-04, 19:32	Link #131
Hollowend Junior Member Join Date: May 2012	I don't know if anyone knows this, but the new windows won't have Media player or DVD playback.

2012-05-31, 18:56	Link #136
Random32 Also a Lolicon Join Date: Apr 2010	Why would you care about the start screen going fullscreen? Uses for start search function: -Launch application. You hit the Windows key and type in the name, then hit enter. If its an application you launch regularly, it's practically muscle memory. The Metro Start Screen changes nothing in this regard. -To search for a less often used application. You hit the Windows key and type something like what you are looking for. Look through results for what you want. I think that the Metro Start Screen is an improvement. It's organized in a way that I think makes finding stuff easier. The hotkeys for Control Panel items/etc means less keystrokes between searching and getting to the desired result. After using it for a while, I think the Start Screen is a small but definite improvement over the Start Menu.

2012-05-31, 19:00	Link #138
Random32 Also a Lolicon Join Date: Apr 2010	Do you need to see something that is blocking when you are using it?

2012-05-31, 21:59	Link #140
Random32 Also a Lolicon Join Date: Apr 2010	You launch the application, provided its not one of those dumb metro apps, it puts you back to desktop. Unless you have to look at an application while you are launching another application.