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This is a really interesting topic as well as people's views here. Of course, I think a character's identity is first recognized by his/her outside appearance. And the artist plays an important role here. Somehow if the same character is drawn by another artist (Example is doujinshi drawing), I can't see them as the same character despite their clothes are the same.
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2012-07-17, 09:03 | Link #24 |
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It's not like I said character design is the only factor. As I've said it's the primary factor and everything else is secondary. A character with an outstanding design is bound to be identifiable or recognizable because it's no secret that people like outstanding designs. We have BRS as proof of that. A mere character design getting it's own fandom just for being badass. You can also take a look at video game characters. Video game characters have non existent character development and yet some characters are clearly more well known to people who don't have much exposure to the source material like Nakoruru for example.
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While i think that that the design is important, i don't think you can classify it as the primary reason. In this case i also think that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. |
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2012-07-17, 09:54 | Link #26 | |
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As for my video game example of Gordon Freeman, he has been in multiple magazines, videogame sites and other sources in their top 100 video game characters for the past 14 years. Even gamers who never played Half life know about him. Quote:
I don't think that characters like lelouch vi britannia , Yagami Light, Suzumiya Haruhi and Kamina (from TTGL), rider (Fate/Zero) , Misaka Mikoto stood out primarily because of their designs ? |
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Rikimaru from Tenchu has a stark resemble because he looks mostly like a white haired Ryo without a hood. Quote:
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As for some examples Steins;Gate, Puella Magi Madoka Magica and NGE probably became popular because of their story, settings and the character interactions and maybe more things, but i don't think it was primarily of their character designs. A cool looking character that was for example horribly written is most likely not going to be remembered. Like some people felt that Necron was redundant in ff9 . |
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Make a gallery composed of 100 pictures, put 2 pictures of necron, put 2 of okabe, and have people with no knowledge of them browse through them. More likely than not more people would inquire about Necron. Does it matter if fans found Necron to be redundant while Okabe is the main of a popular series?
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As for a counter example to your argument that characters with great designs are regardless still popular/recognizable, many characters from VN and eroge are barely known to people who don't read them unless there is an anime adaptation of it. Quote:
You still seem to think that the character design is the most important key factor. How come that quite some series with great character designs and visuals ended up bombing on popularity and disc sales? |
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And no, your argument is no counter. Remember I only said that character design is the primary factor. I never said it is the only factor. You seem to be always forgetting this point. Quote:
Like I said, just make a gallery... insert pictures of plain guy who did great things in his series then insert pictures of let's say Erio Touwa too in that gallery. Show to people who have no knowledge of them and see which character would people inquire more about. It's a no brainer that more people will inquire about Erio.
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At it's prime it had competition from the famous Street fighter II. If you meant prime and competiton with tournaments, then you are obviously lacking information in the japanese fighting game tournament department, because Samurai spirits V and VI were present in the biggest annual japanese tournament Tougeki of 2005 and 2006. Quote:
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edit: seeing that you very likely seem to like Puella Magi Madoka Magica because of your avatar and signature, let me ask you one thing: Did you watch Puella Magi Madoka Magica primarily for the character design? Based on your previous posts saying that "that character designs is the number one factor" , it must be yes. Last edited by hyl; 2012-07-17 at 19:42. |
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Let me just say this - Character Designs are a big part of the reason why I became hyped up for Nanoha and Madoka, and they're also a big part of the reason why both are amongst my five all-time favorite anime shows/franchises.
Although, I will admit that way back when I first saw Mami's character design (before I even knew her name), I thought "Rifles? Really?" But viewing Unlimited Musket Works and Tiro Finale made those "rifles" much cooler to me, lol.
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2012-07-17, 23:08 | Link #36 |
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The design alone can't make a character identifiable, let alone elevate it to an icon status like Rei or EVA-01 are for NGE.
The key is how the design is handled and presented. This doesn't have much to do with actual plot and development of the character, but the impact it generates on the audience with simple actions (e.g. character introductions). We see Rei as a sort of ghost for the first time, and there is this ominous aura about her that makes her stand out. EVA-01 owes its status as the trademark of NGE to the animators who made it so human-like in its movements, and also to the berserk fits it had on some episodes (the first ep and the one where it eats the angel come to mind). It's not only the design and outline of the drawing that builds a character's identity in the fandom. I assume everyone takes for granted that the character needs to be in a popular show to be so highly regarded, and only one great character can't make a show popular by itself. You need some other elements to spice it up. |
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i guess weapon and special skill do make them identified.
i think what make person "Identifiable" is something unique in them. what make Haruhi unique compare to other genki girl with short hair and ribbon. quite simply her God ability. what kind of person are you!
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And tell me... Those drama cds and oavs who are they mostly about? They are mostly about Nakoruru.... Quote:
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And to answer your question, no, I did not watch PMMM based on character design. I never checked it's commercials to begin with. I simply checked it out because it is a Shaft show and I am glad I did. Now let me ask you this: Why do you think Tecmo deemed it necessary to revamp Ryo's character design?
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Define your own definition of cult status? Major fighting games in the USA like even Marvel vs Capcom 3 or Mortal Kombat are "cult status" games in japan, because it's hardly played at tourament level. Likewise vice versa is also true, games like Melty blood and guilty gear are not played much in the USA while it was played alot in many japanese tournaments like A-cho. Heck, even blazblue can be considered to be a cult status game in the USA seeing that it was not even included in EVO or any major touraments this year. Quote:
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Or Corticarte from polyphonica and Inui Sana from Mashiro iro Symphony? Most characters from clamp look very similar, so how does Suzuku from Code Geass look very different from the adult Syaoran from Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle or Yukito from Card captor sakura? If you only look at the design, then are still many characters out there that have some resembles with others, yet their differences come other factrs like their role in the serie. Also l agree with these posts. Quote:
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BRS was incidental, it's not like every other random popular MAD or AMV character have become popular enough to get it's own series. Unless you can name me some more examples. It's not like i have seen an actual anime with Touhou characters (that doujin OAV doesn't exactly count seeing that it was not official and even if you did, there are still no other Touhou animes aside from a new OAV planned by the same people) or vocaloid characters or their recoloured versions. Quote:
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The answer is like C.A. has already pointed out: appeal. Your audience and times have changed, so of course you have to adjust it to their current tastes. Last edited by hyl; 2012-07-18 at 05:28. Reason: answer to your ninja gaiden edit |
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